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I've bitten the photography bug and I want more and more lenses, but how long will it be until Canon release cameras that don't use EF/EF-S lenses? Is it possible that in a year or two a new range of cameras will be released by Canon and all the lenses we own will then be useless unless we continue using our EOS cameras?

Please don't flame me if this is obvious -- I'm new to this and very curious about this sort of stuff before I chuck thousands into this hobby.
 
I think there will be EOS cameras for a long time still but sometime there has to be some new technology that filters in to take over muahahahah :lol:
 
A valid question to ask.

EF ranged lenses have been around for a long time now, you are taking 1987 when it made its debut. I see no reason why Canon would change mount now.

Now think about someone who bought that back in 1987 and still collects lenses now, changing mounts on newer bodies would make all those years a waste. Now imagine all the top end photographers, they would have some pricey gear now IF Canon were stupid enough to change mount types now, I can see a lot of Pro togs ditching them and jumping ship.

They have already lost the #1 foothold to Nikon in the camera war and changing mount types would be the worst thing they could do. Most people stick with Canon for their lenses as well as their bodies. Changing lenses to incorporate newer bodies would be twice as expensive and potentially I can see current owners jumping ship. I know I would.
 
Canon won't drop the EF mount. Teshi explained why. Canon risked their whole SLR business when they ditched the old manual FD mount for the EF desgn in 1987, and they got it right, but the stakes are much much higher now.

Plus, with the wisdom of hindsight they got a lot of things right with EF. So much so that since 1987 Nikon have steadily been introducing all the technologies that Canon built into the EF design in 1987 - Nikon put focus motors in the lenses from 1992, ultrasonic motors from 1996, electronic aperture coupling from 2003, etc.

They won't be dropping EF-S either. What Canon realise, and Paul-H doesn't, is that (a) small-sensor cameras will always be cheaper than large-sensor cameras; and (b) many people's brand choice is determined by their first camera. If Canon abandon EF-S, they abandon the beginner market and they abandon all those people who start with a basic DSLR and trade up.
 
The reason Canon changed its mount is that (according to their website) the FD mount could not accomodate what they saw as the future changes in camera systems. The technology that they were begining to employ and that that they foresaw meant that they needed to completely redesign their cameras and lenses hence the change to EOS and the EF mount.
I cannot see anything at the moment that will require such a huge drastic change to their system.
 
what's the next change in camera systems? I heard something about liquid glass, dont know how that would be usefull, but it cant be too long before something new and revolutionary happens surely:thinking:
 
StewartR said:
Canon won't drop the EF mount. Teshi explained why. Canon risked their whole SLR business when they ditched the old manual FD mount for the EF desgn in 1987, and they got it right, but the stakes are much much higher now.

Plus, with the wisdom of hindsight they got a lot of things right with EF. So much so that since 1987 Nikon have steadily been introducing all the technologies that Canon built into the EF design in 1987 - Nikon put focus motors in the lenses from 1992, ultrasonic motors from 1996, electronic aperture coupling from 2003, etc.

They won't be dropping EF-S either. What Canon realise, and Paul-H doesn't, is that (a) small-sensor cameras will always be cheaper than large-sensor cameras; and (b) many people's brand choice is determined by their first camera. If Canon abandon EF-S, they abandon the beginner market and they abandon all those people who start with a basic DSLR and trade up.
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Indeed, very well put - all my lenses are EFS mount, including the best lens I've ever had the pleasure of using, my Canon 10-22 (with no Canon EF equivalent). There are some supurb EFS lenses out there. Also I cant see full frame cameras dropping significantly in price in the next couple of years (lets face it, its not just about the FF sensor), certainly not enough for the consumer market thats for sure!

Thats one of the reasons my next body will be another crop sensor (ie 40/50D) as then I'll still be able to use my EFS lenses and I'll still have the choice of the full range of EF or EFS lenses - to me thats more important than having a FF sensor (I know, I'm a heathen!!!), with more and more bodies out there with the EFS mount I suspect the EFS lens will become Canon's consumer lens as the EFS mount lenses are (apparently) cheaper to produce.

The EF and EFS mounts will be here for a long, long time.
 
Dom_Cabarete said:
what's the next change in camera systems? I heard something about liquid glass, dont know how that would be usefull, but it cant be too long before something new and revolutionary happens surely:thinking:
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Have a look for RED cameras...

But then they are available with an EOS mount anyway!
 
Paul-H said:
You will see more and more full frame models from them as the APS-C size sensor has just about reached its maximum size at 15mp, to go higher they will have to use FF
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Full Frame?

Do you have any additional information on this or any references that you can point me to about this? Much appreciated. Thanks. :)
 
Craikeybaby said:
Have a look for RED cameras...

But then they are available with an EOS mount anyway!
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i saw something about this a while ago but im going to have another look :thumbs:
 
I'd listen to Stewart.
On a more dumbed down note, Canon only changed the FD mount to EF to enable autofocusing. That was a change that was going to happen at some point, however i cant see anything coming in to place to take over EF/autofocus mounts.
 
I too would be very surprised if they did at the moment, for exactly the same reasons that Teshi and Stewart say.

I can just imagine the response from amateurs and pros alike if they did, what with the QC issues rumbling on with the 1D Mk III, after all the AF problem wasn't IIRC, connected with the EF mount itself.

Wouldn't go down at all well and would probably make up the minds of those tempted to switch to Nikon, plus many others.
 
Paul-H said:
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What is more likely to happen is Canon will drop the EF-S mount.

You will see more and more full frame models from them as the APS-C size sensor has just about reached its maximum size at 15mp, to go higher they will have to use FF
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but why would the average amateur need images larger than 15mp? You can already get very large high quality prints with this file size. Surely therefore, this end of the market has reached its ceiling regarding number of mega-pixels not governed by sensor technology.

Some of the efs lenses are on a par regarding image quality with L lenses and cost as much. To abandon this growing section of the market which I wouldn't be surprised, is canon's bread and butter, would be a mistake they're not capable of making.
 
80% of the DSLR market is for crop sensor bodies & I can't see that changing in the next few years.
yes, FF bodies will get cheaper but even then there are people for whom the crop factor is a blessing as e.g. it saves coughing up £6000 for a 600/4.
 
odd jim said:
... including the best lens I've ever had the pleasure of using, my Canon 10-22 (with no Canon EF equivalent). ...
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True, there is no identical 10-22 on a FF, however, there is a better one.

16-35 f/2.8 L

It is identical in focal length, 10 x 1.6 = 16, 22 x 1.6 = 35 (ok, 35.2 :p),

It is FASTER, being f/2.8 compare to f/3.5 - 4.5

It is better made

It is weather sealed

And I haven't even compared their sharpness, Flare control, CA control and barrel distortion.

You are right, there is no Canon FF equivlent to the 10-22. :D
 
Or go wider on a FF body and get the sigma 12-24, the only UWA available for FF is i remember correctly
 
I don't think it'll happen for the reasons outlined :)

Assuming they use a data bus of some kind for the body-lens communication (I'm pretty certain they do), this should mean they are able to add more functions to the lenses without needing more physical contacts. I think the EF mount will be with us for many years to come.

The only improvement I can think of is contactless operation. For power you could use induction and communication could be RF, that would eliminate contact wear and problems with keeping them clean but would currently be an unnecessary expense given that what we have now works fine, it's certainly possible though.
 
Raymond Lin said:
True, there is no identical 10-22 on a FF, however, there is a better one.

16-35 f/2.8 L

It is identical in focal length, 10 x 1.6 = 16, 22 x 1.6 = 35 (ok, 35.2 :p),

It is FASTER, being f/2.8 compare to f/3.5 - 4.5

It is better made

It is weather sealed

And I haven't even compared their sharpness, Flare control, CA control and barrel distortion.

You are right, there is no Canon FF equivlent to the 10-22. :D
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Its also twice the price :bang:

More expensive body + more expensive glass = :'(
 
i think canon will leave the cameras alone for a while now, i suspect that there are probably some big advancements in lens technology just around the corner :thinking:
 
The reason they changed to EF was due to the advance in autofocus technology, unless something is invented that needs a new mount they will not change.
 
In the current financial climate, I think changing their lens mount would be corporate suicide.
 
walls said:
but why would the average amateur need images larger than 15mp? You can already get very large high quality prints with this file size. Surely therefore, this end of the market has reached its ceiling regarding number of mega-pixels not governed by sensor technology.

Some of the efs lenses are on a par regarding image quality with L lenses and cost as much. To abandon this growing section of the market which I wouldn't be surprised, is canon's bread and butter, would be a mistake they're not capable of making.
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Because Amatures are driven by Pixels and Canon dropped a clanger with the 50D, with the 40D producing better image quality.

I am not saying they are going to drop it soon, it could be years away and if there is any big new advances in sensor design maybe never.

But if they want to sell High Pixel count cameras to the Amatures then they will have to go a larger sensor route and that will exclude EF-S Lenses. also larger sensor dosen't mean FF either.

Also remember costs, it would be cheaper to buy larger quantities of FF sensors than it is to buy 2 or 3 different size ones.

Like I said I am not saying it will happen but the OP posted a speculation question and I was giving was a speculation answer.

Only time will tell who was right though.
 
knocker said:
i think canon will leave the cameras alone for a while now, i suspect that there are probably some big advancements in lens technology just around the corner :thinking:
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I really dont think so.

DO was a big let down, hefty price tags and not enough choice. Up to 5-stops IS on certain lenses. The ONLY thing I can see them doing is updating older lenses with possibly newer optics or adding IS where needed.

Lot of people are waiting for a IS version of the 24-70 2.8L but once again, price is going to murder it.

I cannot see any major lens advancements at this moment in time from any manufacturer to set them apart from any others and dominate the market.

What I see will change in terms of functionality is more MP, Higher/cleaner ISO and more performance related bodies in the future. That is the only advancement that seems to be on the horizon.

I see where you are coming from, but remember, advancements MUST balance affordability to an overall market. Canon or no manufacturer will create a 10-200L 2.8L IS USM lens even if it were possible. Why, it all boils down to price.
 
MJ Stebbings said:
= better image quality :D
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Hmmmm, I would argue that in normal condtions with the same 'tog and camera, you wouldnt really see where the extra money goes when comparing the 16-35 and the 10-22 as far as IQ goes!

Granted, and it cannot be argued the 16-35 is the better lens overall, but is it worth paying twice the price for?

Mind you, think thats taking it a bit off topic ;)
 
Paul-H said:
Because Amatures are driven by Pixels and Canon dropped a clanger with the 50D, with the 40D producing better image quality.

I am not saying they are going to drop it soon, it could be years away and if there is any big new advances in sensor design maybe never.

But if they want to sell High Pixel count cameras to the Amatures then they will have to go a larger sensor route and that will exclude EF-S Lenses. also larger sensor dosen't mean FF either.

Also remember costs, it would be cheaper to buy larger quantities of FF sensors than it is to buy 2 or 3 different size ones.

Like I said I am not saying it will happen but the OP posted a speculation question and I was giving was a speculation answer.

Only time will tell who was right though.
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I don't think they are. Megapixels were once an important selling point but not with the file size, processing power required for much larger files and the already great quality large prints you get with 15 mp cameras. Even if large sensor manufacture ends up being cheaper than that for small sensors, canon and nikon will keep the two formats so there is a clear upgrade path to milk sales.
 
Paul-H said:
Also remember costs, it would be cheaper to buy larger quantities of FF sensors than it is to buy 2 or 3 different size ones.
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I don't think that is quite true, for starter Canon don't buy sensors they make their own. Also it's all about how many perfect sensors you can get from one wafer in the manufacturing process. The wastage rate is much higher when making the larger FF sensors so the cost has to reflect this and be higher.

I can see Canon dropping the 1D 1.3 sensor and just having two a FF and 1.6, but they not drop 1.6 they are too committed to it now with 5 bodies in the current range using it and only two using FF
 
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