When is a Pit Bull not a Pit Bull

Oh get a grip mr drama queen. Sure I agree I'd there are of the lead the owner should be around, but lets keep it real shall we.

sorry but your comment i find highly offensive.. drama queen .. wtf . maybe if it had happened to you you wouldnt be such a dick about it, but as it happened to me and if i hadnt grabbed my dog she would most likely have been ripped to shreds by these animals .
lets just hope your not put in a similar situation or have your child attacked as your attitude is frankly appalling. certainly im in no way a nervous dog owner BUT i am protective of my dog and when 3 large huskies come running out of woodland and circle you with one constantly jumping up trying to get at your own dog then clearly there is an issue. the fact that these dogs also attacked a young girl and it was only through actions of passer by that she suffered no serious injuries but obviously in your mind shes to blame for playing in the park i guess, rather than the fact these dogs have been running free and unsupervised.
so if you wish to carry on with the name calling maybe you would like to meet in person and say it to my face and then see whos the queen then shall we... pathetic
 
sorry but your comment i find highly offensive.. drama queen .. wtf . maybe if it had happened to you you wouldnt be such a dick about it, but as it happened to me and if i hadnt grabbed my dog she would most likely have been ripped to shreds by these animals .
lets just hope your not put in a similar situation or have your child attacked as your attitude is frankly appalling. certainly im in no way a nervous dog owner BUT i am protective of my dog and when 3 large huskies come running out of woodland and circle you with one constantly jumping up trying to get at your own dog then clearly there is an issue. the fact that these dogs also attacked a young girl and it was only through actions of passer by that she suffered no serious injuries but obviously in your mind shes to blame for playing in the park i guess, rather than the fact these dogs have been running free and unsupervised.
so if you wish to carry on with the name calling maybe you would like to meet in person and say it to my face and then see whos the queen then shall we... pathetic

To be fair I read they circled.
I also read they didn't at any point bark, snarl, truly threaten.
I also read you kicked.
I can't take it seriously.
 
To be fair I read they circled.
I also read they didn't at any point bark, snarl, truly threaten.
I also read you kicked.
I can't take it seriously.
no they didnt bark or growl, and that was what was actually more scary, and yes they circled. 3 of them within about 3 feet away round and round for about 5 minutes even as i tried to move away and the whole time the eyes were on my dog with one of them constantly trying to get at her.
and yes i kicked out at them to try and get out of the circle. this was around 9pm when it was dark at that time of night, so maybe try to put yourself in a similar situation and imagine how you would feel.
if they were barking or growling there would at least be some indication of threat, being utterly silent actually made the situation far worse. these wernt baying hounds these were a quite simply a silent pack hunt. which is pretty common among certain animals as noise would give attract unwanted interference.
certainly dont appreciate the pathetic name calling from certain individuals though, unwarranted and typical forum trolling keyboard warrior.
really see no need to be here any longer with people like that around
 
if they were barking or growling there would at least be some indication of threat,

That says it all.
I can quite honestly say that without threat, I would not have felt threatened.
 
I remember being told as a young lad that whilst they're barking, you're ok - it's when they go quiet you need to worry.
I assume the logic is that barking is a threat, a show of strength, to be abandoned when the fighting starts.

Hard to bark with a mouth full of postal worker ;)
 
no they didnt bark or growl, and that was what was actually more scary, and yes they circled. 3 of them within about 3 feet away round and round for about 5 minutes even as i tried to move away and the whole time the eyes were on my dog with one of them constantly trying to get at her.
and yes i kicked out at them to try and get out of the circle. this was around 9pm when it was dark at that time of night, so maybe try to put yourself in a similar situation and imagine how you would feel.
if they were barking or growling there would at least be some indication of threat, being utterly silent actually made the situation far worse. these wernt baying hounds these were a quite simply a silent pack hunt. which is pretty common among certain animals as noise would give attract unwanted interference.
certainly dont appreciate the pathetic name calling from certain individuals though, unwarranted and typical forum trolling keyboard warrior.
really see no need to be here any longer with people like that around
Oh calm down darling, it is only a response to what you wrote. Ofcourse I wasn't there and don't know the situation. Except that we know as you admit that nothing actually happened.

I mean considering,your overreaction to what I wrote based upon my interpretation I actually think I wasn't that far off the the truth.

The utilisation of "Drama Queen" was in no way intended as name calling or an insult. It was merely a reflection of how I read the situation. I mean going froma dog being off the lead, not actually doing to it could have killed a child.

Hmm yes sure, more likely run over by a car, sexually abused on public transport etc. Hence my reference to a drama queen. There was no bad intentions behind it whatsoever. But hey if you read the situation like that, similarly like with what you described I think my response was pretty accurate.
 
To be fair I read they circled.
I also read they didn't at any point bark, snarl, truly threaten.
I also read you kicked.
I can't take it seriously.
That is exactly how I read it as well. All dogs that I come across do that funnily enough. What's next, they had their tails up and made themselves look big?

Don't get me wrong, I agree they should have been on the lead. But lets keep it real b
 
OK I don't usually get involved in these debates because people with more knowledge and bigger brains than ours have debated the whole nature / nurture thing for decades without resolution.
TBH I can't see it getting resolved on an internet forum any time soon ;)

Are some breeds not more predisposed to being bad tempered/aggressive in the same way some are predisposed to having black coats, being big/small etc

However . . . in an attempt to get things back on track and move on, my 2p FWIW.
The very simplistic answer Steve, would probably be 'yes' but it really isn't as clear-cut as all of that.

The thing to understand with dogs is that as a species, genetic traits (be that temperament or physical characteristics) tend to 'stick' very easily.
Just look at the difference between say a chihuahua and a pyrenean mountain dog. You wouldn't think that they were even the same species, yet the different breeds have been established in a relatively small number of generations of breeding (evolutionarily speaking).
That's something that 'bad' breeders can and do take advantage of, for example, to magnify aggressive traits within a small number of generations - and although they tend to do this with the specific 'status' breeds of the moment, in theory the same could be applied to any breed.
Conversely, with 'good breeding' it's also possible to repress these undesirable characteristics.

Then there are those characteristics that are bred into dogs from the inception of the breed - for whatever purpose they were initially intended for.
These traits are inherent and long established in some breeds, but again it's not quite as clear cut as all that.

a) As some breeds have become 're-purposed' over generations some of these traits have been watered down, see my point above.
and
b) Some traits are deeper-seated than others.

Hunting/herding instincts, protective urges (to home or pack) and anything else that would give an evolutionary advantage to dogs' wild ancestors are very deeply rooted.
Other traits such as the fighting urge have most probably been introduced later by humans. Animals in the wild may be aggressive, but it's really counter-productive to engage in physical contact and risk injury / death unless as a last resort.
When most wild animals face off against one another in a show of aggression, the usual outcome is for one to back down rather than actually engage and it's relatively rare for a fight between wild animals to continue to the death.

As a general rule, the more recently (again evolutionarily speaking) a trait or behaviour has been introduced, the easier it is to supress through training and/or breed out over a number of generations.

So yes, some breeds may be more predisposed to certain behavioral traits than others, but the extent of it also depends on the lineage and breeding of that individual dog and the nature of the specific trait we're talking about.
Training, socialisation and ownership also play a huge role in how those traits display themselves.

Apparently the owner thought that the dog being an American pit bull not one of the known banned ones meant it was ok to have one in the house with a baby.
when will people learn.

Words fail me sometimes.
You should never leave a baby unattended or unsupervised with any dog - no matter what breed.

Personally I think that the owners of any animal which attacks any person or other animal should be prosecuted as if they'd carried out the attack themselves. Lets see if owners become a little more responsible if a few start getting 20 years when their dog rips a kids face off, or worse.

And that I'd completely agree with.
I'm completely prepared to take full responsibility for my dog's behaviour.
Frankly any shortcoming is more likely to be down to me and not to her at all.
 
To be fair I read they circled.
I also read they didn't at any point bark, snarl, truly threaten.
I also read you kicked.
I can't take it seriously.
If you read it again, you might see the bit about the other incidents that were deemed serious enough for the Police to intervene.
 
I fully agree, I'm happy to take that full responsibility as well.

What about you @Yv :p :kiss: :)
 
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If you read it again, you might see the bit about the other incidents that were deemed serious enough for the Police to intervene.
As I said in my response, large parts must have been left out since nobody actually got attacked in that story. Lots of scared people and dogs not under control; I.e. Off the lead and no owner insight.

I'd love to hear the actually outcome of the incident and the reference number for it.
 
If you read it again, you might see the bit about the other incidents that were deemed serious enough for the Police to intervene.

I saw those claims.
 
Oh, so you just decided to ignore them and ridicule Dean instead. Charming.

Please....Do direct me to the ridicule in question.
 
so if you wish to carry on with the name calling maybe you would like to meet in person and say it to my face and then see whos the queen then shall we... pathetic
Drama Queen alert.................
 
the attitude of some Dog owners is what appals me the most ( and yes i own a dog ). recently while out with my dog ( a 6 inch high yorkie / chihuahua cross ) we were appraoched ( run at ) by 3 huskies who for 5 minutes or so continually circled me trying to get at my dog. was about 9pm at night on a public footpath about 100 yards from local woods where the dogs appeared from. was only after i had managed to back up against a front garden wall and kick out a few times at them they they disappeared as fast as they arrived. not once did they bark or snarl, which i think was even more scary.
reported it to police and gave descriptions as the dogs all had blue harnesses on. ( at the time i shouted out several times but no sign of owner. since the incident and having made a statement i became aware this wasnt the first time and a more serious incident occured involving a young girl ( thankfully no serious harm done but very very frightened by it all.
and 4 other incidents had also been reported.
owner had actually messaged me on local community facebook group after i had posted about the incident at the time and had stupidly left hes mobile number which was passed to the police.
Anyway police paid a visit and the dogs were taken away and its all going to court ( i may yet have to be a witness ).
and what has the owner done. started a campaign to get hes dogs back saying they are harmless and wouldnt hurt and fly and he has kids himself.
what an ignorant f***wit . they may be fine at home when hes there but running lose around strangers is an entirely different matter.
I in no way blame the dogs, huskies are pack hunters , its in there blood and nature, but to allow them to run free in public spaces terrorizing people, thats down to the stupidity of the owner and as such he should be banned from keeping animals permanently as simple as that.
you have a Dog then you take FULL responsibility of that animal pure and simple.

Similar situation for myself recently, only differance is i beat the holy crap out of his dog and it was only because i was in a good mood he didn't get the same.
Funny how the big guys with big dogs seem to be the biggest pussies :meh: :indifferent:
 
Similar situation for myself recently, only differance is i beat the holy crap out of his dog and it was only because i was in a good mood he didn't get the same.
Funny how the big guys with big dogs seem to be the biggest pussies :meh: :indifferent:
Where was that and what was the dog? Or what actually happened? I mean the way you wrote that makes it sounds like the dog didn't actually do anything yet you beat the crap put of it? Very odd reaction.
 
:lol: absolutely agree!! Good job she isn't my dog :lol:
I was actually quite embarrassed by my dog, big sissy. A bit like me :)
 
Ok peeps, cool it!
There are some personal jibes creeping in here, can we lose the handbags and stick to the matter in hand?
Thanks :thumbs:
 
Btw did anyone see bbc2 tonight. I loved it how the kiwis taught that Snauzer to drive a car and stick shift. Brilliant.

And the English dog that could read.

It inspires me to train ours up. Then again, a driving dog. Now that would truly distort the accident figures ;)
 
Then again, a driving dog. Now that would truly distort the accident figures ;)
I dunno, there was this one silly bitch today, putting make up on, on the A11 does that count? :D
 
Roflmao just spilled my water.

That's it. I'm off walking my dog.
 
That was nice. Two rabbits survived, no munk jacks nor pheasants tonight. There was a strange man with a little terrier who immediately turned around in the forest when we came towards him.

A lovely rurex :)



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There was a strange man with a little terrier who immediately turned around in the forest when we came towards him.
Thats what we have been trying to say, you are scary :p
 
Yes I guess so. I was wearing shorts and my legs are like milk bottles.
 
That says it all.
I can quite honestly say that without threat, I would not have felt threatened.
sorry but thats pure ignorance on your part then if you think having 3 large huskies surround you and circle you while one is trying to get at your own dog isnt threatening just because they arent barking or growling.. if thats not threatening behaviour from them i dont know what is.
god theres some seriously blind people around when it comes to situations.
i suppose if someone was walking down the street with a gun in there hand just because its not pointing at you then that wouldnt be threatening either?
 
Depends where it is. If it is in London and they aren't dressed in blue or green then yes I would be very worried.

If it is around me, like on the road above I would not be worried at all. More likely to approach and have a friendly chat.

Same with dogs that aren't on a lead. Instinctively, and as per the training received, I would remove the lead of my dog if it was on a lead. That normally would remove any stress out of the situation and they do their own thing.
 
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