When is a Pit Bull not a Pit Bull

A baby or even young child should NEVER be left with any dog, not even the most docile Labrador....In reply to your question a Pit Bull is not a Pit Bull if it's a Staffie! :rolleyes:
 
jailed for 18 weeks
there you go justice is swerved
 
The short answer is that there is no such animal as a Pit Bull Terrier - it's a TYPE of crossbreed that has certain characteristics, but as they are crossbreeds from various other breeds, they can vary a lot.

And, just to make it more complicated, the dodgy characters who breed these dogs often describe them as "American Bull Terriers".

It's all really down to the appalling drafting of the Dangerous Dogs Act, which came about as a knee-jerk reaction to an ill-informed press campaign by certain red top crap "news"papers, mainly "The Sun"
 
Garry Edwards said:
It's all really down to the appalling drafting of the Dangerous Dogs Act, which came about as a knee-jerk reaction to an ill-informed press campaign by certain red top crap "news"papers, mainly "The Sun"
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It may be an appalling piece of legislation, I don't know as I've never read it... but it must be better than nothing. If it is terrible lets hope it can be improved.

Where I live the vast majority of dogs seem to be pit bull/staffie type dogs with a few Rottweiler's about too, I often see a bloke with three Rottweiler's. I rarely see anything else except these types these days. Even though I'm an animal lover myself I still have a problem believing anything other than people have these breeds largely for image and to intimidate others and seeing small women and even children with these dogs and even up to four at a time just makes me wonder what planet these people and/or their parents are on.

Personally I think that the owners of any animal which attacks any person or other animal should be prosecuted as if they'd carried out the attack themselves. Lets see if owners become a little more responsible if a few start getting 20 years when their dog rips a kids face off, or worse.
 
Staffiess are some of the gentlest, family friendly dogs you'll find. Unfortunately people breed them with similar looking (other pit bull types) but more aggressive breeds - claim they're pure Staffie (to get around the dangerous dogs act) and then try and get them to fight.

There's hundreds of abandoned Staffies that were bred for status but turn out to be family dogs so get dropped off at the pound by the local scrotes.

Our dog we rescued is covered in scars from where she was used as a bait dog - she got kicked in the face by my nephew (9 months old and used to being in a jumperoo) and she looked at him and wagged her tail as she new he was a human puppy. She's also great with all the kids in the street, the only issue she has is with chasing cats (only to play, not to fight) but even then if they don't run or don't run fast enough she's not interested
 
Uneducated_Rick said:
Staffiess are some of the gentlest, family friendly dogs you'll find. Unfortunately people breed them with similar looking (other pit bull types) but more aggressive breeds - claim they're pure Staffie (to get around the dangerous dogs act) and then try and get them to fight.

There's hundreds of abandoned Staffies that were bred for status but turn out to be family dogs so get dropped off at the pound by the local scrotes.

Our dog we rescued is covered in scars from where she was used as a bait dog - she got kicked in the face by my nephew (9 months old and used to being in a jumperoo) and she looked at him and wagged her tail as she new he was a human puppy. She's also great with all the kids in the street, the only issue she has is with chasing cats (only to play, not to fight) but even then if they don't run or don't run fast enough she's not interested
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I wholeheartedly agree.
I'd also add that Rotties are also big gentle dopes of dogs when raised and treated correctly; not the demons they're often made out to be.
 
Uneducated_Rick said:
Staffiess are some of the gentlest, family friendly dogs you'll find. Unfortunately people breed them with similar looking (other pit bull types) but more aggressive breeds - claim they're pure Staffie (to get around the dangerous dogs act) and then try and get them to fight.

There's hundreds of abandoned Staffies that were bred for status but turn out to be family dogs so get dropped off at the pound by the local scrotes.

Our dog we rescued is covered in scars from where she was used as a bait dog - she got kicked in the face by my nephew (9 months old and used to being in a jumperoo) and she looked at him and wagged her tail as she new he was a human puppy. She's also great with all the kids in the street, the only issue she has is with chasing cats (only to play, not to fight) but even then if they don't run or don't run fast enough she's not interested
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Whilst it's perfectly true that the owner of the dog plays a massive role in the way that it behaves, and that any dog of any breed CAN be trained to overcome its natural behaviour, it's also a fact that every single breed of dog was bred for a specific purpose - hunting, guarding, retrieving, herding etc - and it just doesn't make sense IMO for people to ignore this original purpose when choosing a dog.

For example, we have two Border Collies on our farm. They were bred for working sheep, a job that they do superbly, and of course they get continuous training to make them absolutely reliable, but the younger one in particular is an absolute menace around vehicles, because of course they both try very hard to control the vehicles and there have been a few near misses with tractors and quads. And when there is no sheep work to be done, which is most of the time, they have to be given other work to do, otherwise they would become very frustrated and potentially dangerous. We understand dogs, we understand what they need and so the problems are controlled - but why do some little old ladies who shuffle along at 2 mph for 10 minutes a day think that a border collie could possibly be a suitable choice for them, just because they are the right size and they look pretty?

Same thing with Corgis, bred for herding cattle by biting their ankles. Of course they bite humans too, it's instinctive, not learned behaviour.

So why get a dog bred for fighting if you don't want it to fight? Why get a dog bred for guarding if you don't want it to guard?
 
viv1969 said:
I wholeheartedly agree.
I'd also add that Rotties are also big gentle dopes of dogs when raised and treated correctly; not the demons they're often made out to be.
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Like many other breeds, Rotties have a bad reputation for good reason. They were incredibly popular back in the 80's and were bred in huge numbers, for profit, by people who knew or cared nothing about whether or not they were suitable for pets, and as a result they were bought in huge numbers by ignorant aggressive people who wanted them as weapons, and as an inevitable result there were a lot of serious attacks by them.

Fortunately, the craze for owning Rotties has long gone, so has the bad breeding stock and today, the small number of people who have them tend to be sensible, they choose suitable dogs that are physically sound and with good temperament and bring them up properly, so there are now relatively few dangerous Rotties around - but, due to their size and power, if one does get out of control, it's a real problem.
 
Garry Edwards said:
Like many other breeds, Rotties have a bad reputation for good reason. They were incredibly popular back in the 80's and were bred in huge numbers, for profit, by people who knew or cared nothing about whether or not they were suitable for pets, and as a result they were bought in huge numbers by ignorant aggressive people who wanted them as weapons, and as an inevitable result there were a lot of serious attacks by them.

Fortunately, the craze for owning Rotties has long gone, so has the bad breeding stock and today, the small number of people who have them tend to be sensible, they choose suitable dogs that are physically sound and with good temperament and bring them up properly, so there are now relatively few dangerous Rotties around - but, due to their size and power, if one does get out of control, it's a real problem.
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Yes, I have noticed that change. The Rotties I encounter now are relaxed and friendly and the owners are not the chavs that once owned many of that breed.
 
Garry Edwards said:
Whilst it's perfectly true that the owner of the dog plays a massive role in the way that it behaves, and that any dog of any breed CAN be trained to overcome its natural behaviour, it's also a fact that every single breed of dog was bred for a specific purpose - hunting, guarding, retrieving, herding etc - and it just doesn't make sense IMO for people to ignore this original purpose when choosing a dog.
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Staffies were not for fighting other dogs - they were bull baiters. They're also known for loyalty, being quiet and calm and affectionate to humans - the biggest issue with them is show show affection through jumping and nipping which can be intimidating to people who don't know the breed.

They are crossbred with fighting dogs (APBT) to make them look like large Staffies thus get around the Dangerous Dogs Act which states it depends what a dog looks like, not it's genetic make up
 
Garry Edwards said:
but, due to their size and power, if one does get out of control, it's a real problem.
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The same can be said for any sizeable breed.
I maintain the breed wasn't bad...the owners were.
 
viv1969 said:
The same can be said for any sizeable breed.
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Obviously, and I didn't say otherwise
viv1969 said:
I maintain the breed wasn't bad...the owners were.
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Perhaps so, but as I pointed out, it makes sense to get a dog that isn't bred to be violent or to have other strong behavioural characteristics that may make unsuitable to be a pet
 
Garry Edwards said:
Like many other breeds, Rotties have a bad reputation for good reason. They were incredibly popular back in the 80's and were bred in huge numbers, for profit, by people who knew or cared nothing about whether or not they were suitable for pets, and as a result they were bought in huge numbers by ignorant aggressive people who wanted them as weapons, and as an inevitable result there were a lot of serious attacks by them.

Fortunately, the craze for owning Rotties has long gone, so has the bad breeding stock and today, the small number of people who have them tend to be sensible, they choose suitable dogs that are physically sound and with good temperament and bring them up properly, so there are now relatively few dangerous Rotties around - but, due to their size and power, if one does get out of control, it's a real problem.
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One of our neighbours got a Rottweiler. Never ever seen him walk it, the dog is always out in the garden, super noisy and aggressive. Apparently got it purely for guard purposes. The dog is not used to be around humans, nor other dogs, only knows it garden. If that animal ever escapes it will be a serious issue.
 
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dejongj said:
One of our neighbours got a Rottweiler. Never ever seen him walk it, the dog is always out in the garden, super noisy and aggressive. Apparently got it purely for guard purposes. The dog is not used to be around humans, nor other dogs, only knows it garden. If that animal ever escapes it will be a serious issue.
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Shoot it in the face?
 
ST4 said:
Shoot them too?
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At some point questions might get asked.

Still a house that's been the site of a multiple murder might be sold cheaply - you could knock it through and double the size of your house.
 
Llamaman said:
At some point questions might get asked.

Still a house that's been the site of a multiple murder might be sold cheaply - you could knock it through and double the size of your house.
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Unfortunately the wrong side of the road for us. Maybe turn it into a film photo studio. The film boys seem to have a healthy interest in derelict buildings.
 
woof woof said:
Even though I'm an animal lover myself I still have a problem believing anything other than people have these breeds largely for image and to intimidate others and seeing small women and even children with these dogs and even up to four at a time just makes me wonder what planet these people and/or their parents are on.
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I get this a lot in the area I live in. There does seem to be a hell of a lot of chavs, and the fashionable dog at the moment is the Staffie/bull terrier type breed, usually with a big thick chain attached to their collars. I feel so sorry for these dogs, and for those that come into contact with them.

I am a Rottie owner...and definitely not a chav (y)






...innit
 
the attitude of some Dog owners is what appals me the most ( and yes i own a dog ). recently while out with my dog ( a 6 inch high yorkie / chihuahua cross ) we were appraoched ( run at ) by 3 huskies who for 5 minutes or so continually circled me trying to get at my dog. was about 9pm at night on a public footpath about 100 yards from local woods where the dogs appeared from. was only after i had managed to back up against a front garden wall and kick out a few times at them they they disappeared as fast as they arrived. not once did they bark or snarl, which i think was even more scary.
reported it to police and gave descriptions as the dogs all had blue harnesses on. ( at the time i shouted out several times but no sign of owner. since the incident and having made a statement i became aware this wasnt the first time and a more serious incident occured involving a young girl ( thankfully no serious harm done but very very frightened by it all.
and 4 other incidents had also been reported.
owner had actually messaged me on local community facebook group after i had posted about the incident at the time and had stupidly left hes mobile number which was passed to the police.
Anyway police paid a visit and the dogs were taken away and its all going to court ( i may yet have to be a witness ).
and what has the owner done. started a campaign to get hes dogs back saying they are harmless and wouldnt hurt and fly and he has kids himself.
what an ignorant f***wit . they may be fine at home when hes there but running lose around strangers is an entirely different matter.
I in no way blame the dogs, huskies are pack hunters , its in there blood and nature, but to allow them to run free in public spaces terrorizing people, thats down to the stupidity of the owner and as such he should be banned from keeping animals permanently as simple as that.
you have a Dog then you take FULL responsibility of that animal pure and simple.
 
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For the record, dogs are as good or as bad as the owners and the training they receive.
 
ST4 said:
is it not 50% nature, 50% nurture. Are some breeds not more prediposed towards aggressive and bad behaviour. Just are some more predisposed towards being clever, big, small, black coated etc
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Yes, some breeds are bred for a specific purpose, historically.

For example, my recently departed weimerarner had never had any game shoot training, yet first time I took him at about 5 years old, he knew what to do. He was no champion gundog, but he had the basics in him.

Alsations and dobies have been bred as guard dogs and adapt easily to that role.

But if the dogs are not put in that position then they will not regress to it. You breed a dog that has various aggressive traits in its DNA, like pit bulls, then you`re kinda asking for trouble.

Personally, I would shoot all pit bull type dogs, no regrets.
 
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the attitude of some Dog owners is what appals me the most ( and yes i own a dog ). recently while out with my dog ( a 6 inch high yorkie / chihuahua cross ) we were appraoched ( run at ) by 3 huskies who for 5 minutes or so continually circled me trying to get at my dog. was about 9pm at night on a public footpath about 100 yards from local woods where the dogs appeared from. was only after i had managed to back up against a front garden wall and kick out a few times at them they they disappeared as fast as they arrived. not once did they bark or snarl, which i think was even more scary.
reported it to police and gave descriptions as the dogs all had blue harnesses on. ( at the time i shouted out several times but no sign of owner. since the incident and having made a statement i became aware this wasnt the first time and a more serious incident occured involving a young girl ( thankfully no serious harm done but very very frightened by it all.
and 4 other incidents had also been reported.
owner had actually messaged me on local community facebook group after i had posted about the incident at the time and had stupidly left hes mobile number which was passed to the police.
Anyway police paid a visit and the dogs were taken away and its all going to court ( i may yet have to be a witness ).
and what has the owner done. started a campaign to get hes dogs back saying they are harmless and wouldnt hurt and fly and he has kids himself.
what an ignorant f***wit . they may be fine at home when hes there but running lose around strangers is an entirely different matter.
I in no way blame the dogs, huskies are pack hunters , its in there blood and nature, but to allow them to run free in public spaces terrorizing people, thats down to the stupidity of the owner and as such he should be banned from keeping animals permanently as simple as that.
you have a Dog then you take FULL responsibility of that animal pure and simple.
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So have these dogs actually bitten anyone at all?
 
fracster said:
.... you telling me you want to think of Steve and I whilst taking a dump?................:confused:
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Its where all the important notices go, so we know that everyone will read them at some point ;)
 
dean messenger said:
the attitude of some Dog owners is what appals me the most ( and yes i own a dog ). recently while out with my dog ( a 6 inch high yorkie / chihuahua cross ) we were appraoched ( run at ) by 3 huskies who for 5 minutes or so continually circled me trying to get at my dog. was about 9pm at night on a public footpath about 100 yards from local woods where the dogs appeared from. was only after i had managed to back up against a front garden wall and kick out a few times at them they they disappeared as fast as they arrived. not once did they bark or snarl, which i think was even more scary.
reported it to police and gave descriptions as the dogs all had blue harnesses on. ( at the time i shouted out several times but no sign of owner. since the incident and having made a statement i became aware this wasnt the first time and a more serious incident occured involving a young girl ( thankfully no serious harm done but very very frightened by it all.
and 4 other incidents had also been reported.
owner had actually messaged me on local community facebook group after i had posted about the incident at the time and had stupidly left hes mobile number which was passed to the police.
Anyway police paid a visit and the dogs were taken away and its all going to court ( i may yet have to be a witness ).
and what has the owner done. started a campaign to get hes dogs back saying they are harmless and wouldnt hurt and fly and he has kids himself.
what an ignorant f***wit . they may be fine at home when hes there but running lose around strangers is an entirely different matter.
I in no way blame the dogs, huskies are pack hunters , its in there blood and nature, but to allow them to run free in public spaces terrorizing people, thats down to the stupidity of the owner and as such he should be banned from keeping animals permanently as simple as that.
you have a Dog then you take FULL responsibility of that animal pure and simple.
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Hmm I guess you've left a big part as too me it comes across like doggies doing what doggies do. They see another doggie and they want to greed it. Yet somehow you get scared, start a facebook campaign and get the police involved. Weird.

We've got a few people like that where I live. The moment I walk our dog across the open fields and briddle paths this man immediately picks up his little doggie and goes in a big circles around us. The poor dogs aren't socialised at all, and are actually the ones who don't know how to behave around other dogs.

Then there is this silly old woman always walking by herself on the briddle paths shouting and yelling at dog owners that she has osteoporosis and will send the bill for her broken bones to if we dont control our dog properly. The poor animal was already on the lead sitting next to us just gently looking at the silly old bat.

Nervous dog owners are the worst in my opinion. A lot of the time they do seem to have the little nervous ankle biters with them as well.

Ps. I've got loads of witnesses that my handsome hound is a sissy who doesn't do anything. In fact he was scared by a girl last weekend much smaller than him.
 
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