What would you do? RTA

[macky799]

but within 10 seconds maybe there was a car came the other way, a gold Merc, the driver actually weaved through the burning wreckage and body parts on the road and refused to stop and help.....first witness on scene from the other direction, drove past the body of the rider and had to avoid wreckage to get through, but was too wrapped up in his own business to stop and help at the scene. I got his number - he has had a visit.

I might make a bad name for myself here but hear go's, Firstly i don't agree with not stopping but i understand why some people don't, in the last 6 months ive stopped at 2 rta's and both have caused me nothing but grief, the fist one was a car on its side and i had to go to court twice because they found something in the car and i had to give evidence and all i could tell them was it was a bloke beside the car before he did a runner didnt even see his face, biggest waste of two days ever. The second one a woman came to fast around a corne on my side of the road,had to swerve to avoid me and landed on a wall, so i stopped to see if she was ok. Few weeks late i get a letter from my insurance saying the woman was blaming me and there will be a claim on my insuance, even though it went down as 50/50 i still have a claim on mine and the cost of my insurance has went up all because i thought i bette stop and help. Makes me wonde if i would stop again. To be honest i pob would

 

[Harvey_nikon]

I'm pretty shocked at the questions with regards to the photo being genuine.... What motive would one have for faking such a scene?

Hope biker survived...

Gary.

I said and believe it's real, however, this is the internet and I have personally witnessed on another forum where a member came on one day and told us all about some major accident that had happened, cars gone through walls, blood everywhere etc and how he had helped out.

Turned out to be a complete lie, and he had been a member for some time.

The internet is full of loons, hence the 2 troll accounts created just to come on here and say they were fake!

Although, anyone that reads splogs posts would know he wasn't the sort to fake things like this.

 

[Voyager]

How many bike deaths are caused by speed rather than other interference? Be an interesting stat.

Not that many - most (outside urban where they are generally low speed ROWV's) are loss of control on bends and poor judged overtakes. Speed, per say, is not really a factor.


(See - In-depth study of motorcycle accidents)

 

[Robbo]

Although, anyone that reads splogs posts would know he wasn't the sort to fake things like this.

Second that.

 

[Splog]

I'm pretty shocked at the questions with regards to the photo being genuine.... What motive would one have for faking such a scene?

Hope biker survived...

Gary.

Thank You, I still don't really know how badly injured the biker was! Hope to find out soon

I said and believe it's real, however, this is the internet and I have personally witnessed on another forum where a member came on one day and told us all about some major accident that had happened, cars gone through walls, blood everywhere etc and how he had helped out.

Turned out to be a complete lie, and he had been a member for some time.

The internet is full of loons, hence the 2 troll accounts created just to come on here and say they were fake!

Although, anyone that reads splogs posts would know he wasn't the sort to fake things like this.

Many thanks for the support I just wish my Photoshop skills were as good as those being suggested

 

[Splog]

Second that.

Thanks mate

 

[Robbo]

Many thanks for the support I just wish my Photoshop skills were as good as those being suggested

i was going to say if it was Photo shop you have done AWWSOME!....'realistic' you could say

 

[inaneredstripe]

being a bike rider, i suspect my first thought would be for the biker.
dont know wether getting the camera out would occur to me, to be honest.
i dont think you were harming anyone getting a shot or two.

 

[London luke]

well i still think that certain elements of this pic look "weird" . maybe the real file as mentioned shows a lot more detail etc ? Thats why i asked if it has been played with etc .

Not calling the OP a liar. Just confused as to why this story is not "online " anywhere ?

The press love anything where a Air Ambulance has been involved. Its a first-third page story for sure.

 

[SarahLee]

Steve, what is it with you and controversial transport threads? First that damn plane on the conveyor belt and now you're even getting random strangers signing up to argue with you on this one.
I can't imagine why anyone would want to fake something like this, and certainly don't think you'd do it . . . although that convenient bit of soot over the number plate looks a bit dodgy to me

Anyway, to your original question.

I think your first priority in this sort of situation has to be to offer help wherever you can and make sure that emergency services are on their way.

If the situation is under control and there's nothing you can do, then I think shots of the scene are fair game if that's something you want to do (I can see why a lot of people wouldn't want to) and only if your activity isn't causing additional distress to those involved.

I do draw the line at taking shots of the victims though. In the majority of scenarios I can think of, that would be in poor taste and could cause unnecessary distress to them and their families.

 

[Robbo]

well i still think that certain elements of this pic look "weird" . maybe the real file as mentioned shows a lot more detail etc ? Thats why i asked if it has been played with etc .

Not calling the OP a liar. Just confused as to why this story is not "online " anywhere ?

The press love anything where a Air Ambulance has been involved. Its a first-third page story for sure.

can you tell me which bits please?

i am a fire fighter and I see nothing strange about this RTA.

 

[Matt]

well i still think that certain elements of this pic look "weird" . maybe the real file as mentioned shows a lot more detail etc ? Thats why i asked if it has been played with etc .

Not calling the OP a liar. Just confused as to why this story is not "online " anywhere ?

The press love anything where a Air Ambulance has been involved. Its a first-third page story for sure.

i can assure you the flames look pretty realistic at full size.

 

[Dark Star]

I saw this first on Steve's flickr account and it looked genuine then as it does now.

I have no experience of RTAs of this nature (I'm lucky I guess) and I have frankly no idea what I'd do in the same situation

However I have no doubt that the image presented is genuine

 

[jabbermack]

A local reporter would not have hesitated in getting that shot first.
Just take a look at the image of the UKIP MP in considerable discomfort in the overturned airplane.
It was on the TV within minutes.
You did nothing wrong.

 

[Splog]

well i still think that certain elements of this pic look "weird" . maybe the real file as mentioned shows a lot more detail etc ? Thats why i asked if it has been played with etc .

Not calling the OP a liar. Just confused as to why this story is not "online " anywhere ?

The press love anything where a Air Ambulance has been involved. Its a first-third page story for sure.

Luke, the file was only cropped and sharpened! I don't know why the story is not online? I really can't be expected to answer that! As for the air ambulance I can only say I saw it arrive and it appeared to land, but by that time I was out of sight of the incident by having to move to clear the road for the services ... I can only report what I saw, was told and my interpretation of the incident!

 

[Robbo]

Luke, the file was only cropped and sharpened! I don't know why the story is not online? I really can't be expected to answer that! As for the air ambulance I can only say I saw it arrive and it appeared to land, but by that time I was out of sight of the incident by having to move to clear the road for the services ... I can only report what I saw, was told and my interpretation of the incident!

go on just say it....you know you want to ....foxtrot oscar....do it!

 

[munch]

PLEASE folks do stop and help at RTA's (or RTC,s), despite all the hype there has never been a case in the UK where someone who stopped to help at an RTA has been successfully sued.

Do learn first aid, it might be your loved ones you have to deal with.

 

[Splog]

go on just say it....you know you want to ....foxtrot oscar....do it!

Seriously tempted

 

[redhand010]

Is somebody else going to call him one, or is it down to me?

Now I'm not a photographer but I do know landrovers and I know a fake photo when i see it,. The defender is apparently undamaged apart form the front wing, The grill is plastic and yet it isn't in the least bit melted?? the wreck debris is leading away from the landy. Suggesting the bike hit the back of the landrover slid underneath it and then shot backwards and hit the front of the defender & exploded. Where is the driver & other witnesses? If a bike had hit a defender with enough force to explode, the front bumper would be very very bent, and the wing (made of thin aluminum) would have been pushed back over the front wheel. nothing adds up on this one

 

[London luke]

can you tell me which bits please?

i am a fire fighter and I see nothing strange about this RTA.

Judging it from the pic posted it just looked a bit "Photo shopped" in places . Like the far side rear top window. just looks weird.

I was happy to comment and as i said i am happy to admit i am wrong if the story etc is real

But it is certain parts of the original that made me think. Maybe the full file etc would have made it look a lot better? It could be its a fraction "compressed" etc that made me think this way.

But...thank God your not press, your editor would have gone nuts !:bonk:

 

[Harvey_nikon]

Now I'm not a photographer .....YAWN

*MUST NOT FEED THE TROLL!!*:bang:

 

[Dark Star]

Now I'm not a photographer but.....I know a fake photo when i see it,.

Hmmm...work that one out!

Did you sign up to TP solely to refute the authenticity of this image?



One question....why?

 

[Robbo]

Now I'm not a photographer but I do know landrovers and I know a fake photo when i see it,. The defender is apparently undamaged apart form the front wing, The grill is plastic and yet it isn't in the least bit melted?? the wreck debris is leading away from the landy. Suggesting the bike hit the back of the landrover slid underneath it and then shot backwards and hit the front of the defender & exploded. Where is the driver & other witnesses? If a bike had hit a defender with enough force to explode, the front bumper would be very very bent, and the wing (made of thin aluminum) would have been pushed back over the front wheel. nothing adds up on this one

ARGHH so many wrong wrong things here with what your saying I dont even have the patients to explain them. BUT.....

I AM A FIRE FIGHTER!!.......

1. have you ever seen a real incident?
2. how far does a motorbike rider fly off after a crash?......a long fooooking way somtimes!
3. How the hell can you tell off this tiny pic about how melted or miss shapedn the bumper is, plastics and get soft under heat and still hold their shape.
4....[Staff edit: Calm down calm down ] for wasting TP time!............... lol sorry had to be said.....I will accept my telling off.

 

[London luke]

Ok.... have checked local papers to see who has a online version. Also when they publish etc. so lets see if it gets reported.

this does not make sense at all


Pm me the reg. (mate works for very large insurance comp) now the accident will be recorded and the data base will have been notified.


hey...there is b****r all on TV so bored

 

[Voyager]

Not calling the OP a liar. Just confused as to why this story is not "online " anywhere ?

It was a weekend motorcycle crash - not unusual. @600 motorcyclists are killed every year on our roads and I would wager you hear about no more than one or two of them. You'll hear even less about those in which people are not killed.

 

[dod]

lets all keep calm folks

 

[Robbo]

Ok.... have checked local papers to see who has a online version. Also when they publish etc. so lets see if it gets reported.

this does not make sense at all


Pm me the reg. (mate works for very large insurance comp) now the accident will be recorded and the data base will have been notified.


hey...there is b****r all on TV so bored

And you just publicised you mate is going to do an illegal act of checking out car reg insurance claims for you? hmmm....

 

[redhand010]

Hmmm...work that one out!

Did you sign up to TP solely to refute the authenticity of this image?



One question....why?

Yes I did it was posted on a landy forum. I reposted it on another landy forum i frequent and a very experience fire fighter stated his belief that it was a fake as did a professional photographer with 20years of experience as well as several other members of both forums. As I've stated earlier too many things don't make sense. The lack of publicity of any kind been one of them.

 

[Robbo]

The lack of publicity of any kind been one of them.

You do know not everything gets on the new?

in some indicent for what ever reason I have been to the local papers etc have been BANNED from putting the storied in.

 

[david1701]

well i still think that certain elements of this pic look "weird" . maybe the real file as mentioned shows a lot more detail etc ? Thats why i asked if it has been played with etc .

Not calling the OP a liar. Just confused as to why this story is not "online " anywhere ?

The press love anything where a Air Ambulance has been involved. Its a first-third page story for sure.

depends where you are in the country (assuming london)

down in the south west its not really news as its the only quick way to get to hospital, most of the time you get an 8 minute response time on an ambulance but all the big hospitals are an hour away (lots of little ambulance stations in towns)

hell my friends little girl has been in it twice (shes fine btw)

 

[London luke]

You do know not everything gets on the new?

in some indicent for what ever reason I have been to the local papers etc have been BANNED from putting the storied in.

Very very true. I know of a RTA in Wiltshire that killed 3 people. It was never ever mentioned. this was in 1988. Many many rumors about what took place that night .

 

[dseered]

when was this exactly?

nothing about it here ?

http://northwestairambulance.wordpress.com/

If it was near Windermere then there is a good chance it will have been the Great North AA not the North West AA although both cover the patch. Only local Paper is the WG as I posted earlier in the thread - they are probably not interested as there are that many bike crashes on our roads every weekend it would fill the pages !

 

[Splog]

Jeez! ... Please can we discuss aircraft on conveyor belts ... It's simpler

Message to the trolls .... Go find your crowbar and enjoy yourself

 

[Harvey_nikon]

Yes I did it was posted on a landy forum. I reposted it on another landy forum i frequent and a very experience fire fighter stated his belief that it was a fake as did a professional photographer with 20years of experience as well as several other members of both forums. As I've stated earlier too many things don't make sense. The lack of publicity of any kind been one of them.

Links to both the landy forum and the one you reposted it on?

 

[London luke]

And you just publicised you mate is going to do an illegal act of checking out car reg insurance claims for you? hmmm....

You need to do some internet work. ~You will be shocked what you yourself can find !!
There are a few "hidden" sites where you can get all sorts of info from a cars reg. This will include if it has been reported as been involved in a accident for the purpose of a insurance claim etc

Its "big Brother time" ,info is cheap and easy

Anyway . the 2 local papers now have a link to this thread . So lets see if its a story for them ?

 

[danbroad]

Dan, Is that due to your profession? What if it was me for example and I was heartless, Not helping people in distress and carried on shooting, Could I be done for soemthing? (All hyperthetical of course, I would help however I could)

Yeah, there is a samaritan clause written in the GMC. As a doctor, and a trauma-trained one at that, I'd be expected to assist. Been on scenes similar to this plenty of times...

If any doctor fails to assist, and it could be proven to have caused harm, then that's a tricky legal position. It doesn't count for members of the general public, though, so there's no obligation to assist.

FWIW, my recommendation to anyone inerested would be this:

Rule zero: Call 999. Even if someone tells you they have - it's amazing how minutes can be lost because everybody thinks everybody else has done it.

1. Stop the traffic, if you can and it's safe. Don't put yourself in danger - be VERY visible, don't get in the way of oncoming traffic emergency stopping lines..

2. Assess the scene. If it's like this, and you go barrelling in, and either of those tanks explode, then we've got to order another ambulance. I can personally think of a couple of unnecessary deaths of good samaritans at scenes like this. Really. I'd not approach this scene without the fire brigade, at least from what I can see in the photo - even if I could see casualties. I'm more help to them if I don't have serious burns.

3. If you can help, then it's ABC - respectively with c-spine control, ventilatory support and circulatory control. If you don't know what his means, don't try it. Trying to remove a bikers helmet improperly may kill them - and again, it's been done many times...

Anyway, photography or not, if you're interested in being useful, there are some great first aid courses out there. Well worth it.

 

[London luke]

Links to both the landy forum and the one you reposted it on?

You detective

 

[Matt]

Yes I did it was posted on a landy forum. I reposted it on another landy forum i frequent and a very experience fire fighter stated his belief that it was a fake as did a professional photographer with 20years of experience as well as several other members of both forums. As I've stated earlier too many things don't make sense. The lack of publicity of any kind been one of them.

its a shame that you think that. ive seen the original file, at 100%, and you can clearly see the damage to the vehicle as well as the fire. Sometimes you just have to face up to the fact that some folk cant resize and image very well at all... Im telling you that the photo is untouched, up to you to believe it or not...

 

[Matt]

You need to do some internet work. ~You will be shocked what you yourself can find !!
There are a few "hidden" sites where you can get all sorts of info from a cars reg. This will include if it has been reported as been involved in a accident for the purpose of a insurance claim etc

Its "big Brother time" ,info is cheap and easy

Anyway . the 2 local papers now have a link to this thread . So lets see if its a story for them ?

:shrug:

 

[redhand010]

http://forum.landrovernet.com/showthread.php/192813-No-one-on-here-I-hope first posted here.
I reposted herewe have" a comedian on the forum who's stock reply to any question, is "burn it"