What no jeremy cobyn thread?

Llamaman said:
Nothing to stop you doing that whenever you choose. Do it now.
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Just make sure you kneel,wear a tie,dress scruffily and look old....you'll be fine.
 
He achieved two A-Levels with 'E' grades

should have tried harder on his school reports
 
Phil V said:
So you have no reasonable answer, I'm just wrong because the phrase 'turning in their graves' plays to a popular unthinking mindset and has no basis in any reality that should suggest a change in someone's opinion or behaviour.

The thing is, as you can see above, most people understand that, but there's a small enough very vocal minority who aren't bright enough to work it out.
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Yes, once again when confronted with something you don't agree with, you attempt to trivialise other people's intelligence. All so predictable, patronising and typical.

I forgot to add to the already lengthy list of 'phobics and ists' that I am, I'm thick as well, having only a comprehensive education and limited vocabulary.
 
Llamaman said:
If it can't be inferred with a grunt and a shrug, it probably isn't worth saying.
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Well, that's original and very perceptive, intellectual and accurate.
 
BRASH said:
Yes, once again when confronted with something you don't agree with, you attempt to trivialise other people's intelligence. All so predictable, patronising and typical.

I forgot to add to the already lengthy list of 'phobics and ists' that I am, I'm thick as well, having only a comprehensive education and limited vocabulary.
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No accusations of phobias or isms I asked a straight forward question look:
Phil V said:
So, for fun, tell me why there's any relevance to my long dead grandad whether or not I'm a Monarchist...
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Oddly I added
Phil V said:
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No deflection, just an answer.
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And look what you did. (but of course it'd be a personal attack if I said that you were predictable)

Any time you like you can answer my question...
Repeated for clarity:
tell me why there's any relevance to my long dead grandad whether or not I'm a Monarchist...
 
It's all irrelevant.
 
BRASH said:
It's all irrelevant.
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Absolutely it is... So why say this in the first place...

BRASH said:
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As for people giving up their lives for our freedoms, we'd do well to remember that as many of them will be turning in their graves.
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An irrelevant unthinking platitude.

At least we now agree ;)
 
I think I am missing a lot of this thread due to my blocked list it kind of reads a bit like @Phil V I talking to himself quite a lot :-)
 
Another attempted put down because you don't agree. The irrelevance to me is your opinion, attitude and reaction. I do find it somewhat amusing tho and you never fail to oblige. Thank you for that.
 
BRASH said:
Another attempted put down because you don't agree. The irrelevance to me is your opinion, attitude and reaction. I do find it somewhat amusing tho and you never fail to oblige. Thank you for that.
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Where's the put down?
I've asked a question. You have no answer to that question because the idea that some heroes would be 'turning in their graves' is simply a phrase designed to link your opinion to dead people when actually you know as well as the rest of us that dead people have no opinion of Jeremy Corbyn or anyone else. Them being dead and all.

I'm not required here to make that phrase look stupid, it stands by itself waving a 'stupid answer' flag.
 
Rapscallion said:
Jesus wept! Have you reverted to a stroppy teenager who can't hold a conversation without a severe strop if anyone disagrees with him?
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Was there ever a time when he didn't have that attitude?
 
KitsuneAndy said:
No big deal if it's just a song, in which case, no big deal that someone didn't sing it.

Or, it's representative and important, can't really be both can it?
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Never said it was.
 
Rapscallion said:
Jesus wept! Have you reverted to a stroppy teenager who can't hold a conversation without a severe strop if anyone disagrees with him?
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Wasn't holding a conversation with him, I'm evidently on his ignore list so having a conversation with him is not possible at the moment while these circumstances exist, that's fairly obvious. I think this is a good thing, therefore I made my comment in concurrence of this fact.
 
BRASH said:
I think the clue is in the title.
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The title is "God Save the King/Queen". Doesn't say anything about representing the whole country.
Unless you meant "National Anthem?" Yes, "national", when the nation was England. The song predates the Act of Union by at least 80 years. You'd hardly compose a national anthem that goaded a part of the country, would you?

# Deutschland, Deutschland, uber alles,
# Except for Essen, 'cos that's a bit naff
# And don't get me started on Dusseldorf

Doesn't really work, does it?
 
jakeblu said:
Its amazing how it was spun to you as a child, the great british empire, all that red on the map. I used to look at it with pride, until I actually understood what it meant. There was nothing great about the great british empire, unless you consider greed, great.
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Attitudes like these are at risk of judging past generations by the standards of today. Whilst the British Empire was maintained often by brutality, and greed was a contributory factor in that, there was also a genuine belief that Britain was bringing civilization to the darkest corners of the globe, and doing everyone a favour. Hindsight is a wonderful thing - I wonder what future generations will think of our efforts at forging a better world.
 
Phil V said:
Where's the put down?
I've asked a question. You have no answer to that question because the idea that some heroes would be 'turning in their graves' is simply a phrase designed to link your opinion to dead people when actually you know as well as the rest of us that dead people have no opinion of Jeremy Corbyn or anyone else. Them being dead and all.

I'm not required here to make that phrase look stupid, it stands by itself waving a 'stupid answer' flag.
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There you go again.

What you need to understand is the the subjectivity of the relevance or irrelevance, as the case may be, of any statement made or opinion given.Whether based on fact, conjecture, belief, doctrine either pragmatic or dogmatic, the profundity of what is said or opined and the impact of that on ones acceptance or rejection of this depends on the apposite amount of understanding and or tolerance given to an opposing view or belief. This does not have to be based on or aligned to or with academic, irrefutable scientific proof but on the logical concept that there are differing and contrary views which may or may not fall into any of the afore mentioned categories, situations or circumstances.
 
Llamaman said:
The title is "God Save the King/Queen". Doesn't say anything about representing the whole country.
Unless you meant "National Anthem?" Yes, "national", when the nation was England. The song predates the Act of Union by at least 80 years. You'd hardly compose a national anthem that goaded a part of the country, would you?

# Deutschland, Deutschland, uber alles,
# Except for Essen, 'cos that's a bit naff
# And don't get me started on Dusseldorf

Doesn't really work, does it?
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I thought we were speaking about Flower of Scotland.
 
BRASH said:
There you go again.

What you need to understand is the the subjectivity of the relevance or irrelevance, as the case may be, of any statement made or opinion given.Whether based on fact, conjecture, belief, doctrine either pragmatic or dogmatic, the profundity of what is said or opined and the impact of that on ones acceptance or rejection of this depends on the apposite amount of understanding and or tolerance given to an opposing view or belief. This does not have to be based on or aligned to or with academic, irrefutable scientific proof but on the logical concept that there are differing and contrary views which may or may not fall into any of the afore mentioned categories, situations or circumstances.
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There's nothing subjective about dead people moving.

And even if we are to accept that you believe dead people move, it's yet another stretch to suggest that they'd all hold the same opinion as you.

Sure that's subjective, but it's also pushing so hard at the bounds of reasonable for people to find it ridiculous.

The more you dig, the more ridiculous it looks.

Or how about the opinion of a veteran that managed to survive?
 
Phil V said:
There's nothing subjective about dead people moving?
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Well, wrong again because there is if you believe they do and many people do. That was the whole point of what I said, which you clearly didn't understand.
 
BRASH said:
I thought we were speaking about Flower of Scotland.
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Which isnt even their national anthem ;)

The scottish dont even want a national anthem thats different, the parliament decided against it ;) Yet another wish to be ruled by a superior country
 
BRASH said:
Well, wrong again because there is if you believe they do and many people do. That was the whole point of what I said, which you clearly didn't understand.
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But I like the Scientifically provable, so as I pointed out, allows for your 'belief', but makes stretching your belief to all the war dead agreeing with you still unlikely. As you can see from the newspaper article linked.

Or let's try another one;

How do you think my grandad would react to seeing our Queen as a young girl playing at Hitler salutes with her uncle who was a mate of the Fuhrer? I'm fairly sure my grandad would have a bit more respect for a politician not singing God Save the Queen in light of that, you know given he gave his life fighting Hitler and all.
 
Phil V said:
How do you think my grandad would react to seeing our Queen as a young girl playing at Hitler salutes with her uncle who was a mate of the Fuhrer? I'm fairly sure my grandad would have a bit more respect for a politician not singing God Save the Queen in light of that, you know given he gave his life fighting Hitler and all.
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She was a child, and he didnt fight the man, he fought the regime.
 
andyscott said:
Who is a member of the Labour Party ;)
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So isn't entitled to an opinion?

I'm fairly sure there'll be lots of dead troops who were also members of the Labour Party, and who would also disagree with the Tory propaganda machine on this issue.
 
Phil V said:
But I like the Scientifically provable, so as I pointed out, allows for your 'belief', but makes stretching your belief to all the war dead agreeing with you still unlikely. As you can see from the newspaper article linked.

Or let's try another one;

How do you think my grandad would react to seeing our Queen as a young girl playing at Hitler salutes with her uncle who was a mate of the Fuhrer? I'm fairly sure my grandad would have a bit more respect for a politician not singing God Save the Queen in light of that, you know given he gave his life fighting Hitler and all.
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I never said I believed the dead move. The 'turning in their grave' is a standard saying, as you well know, meaning they would not approve of something. It's not a statement of a belief I may hold about life after death, which is infact a belief I do not hold but I accept the fact others do hold this belief for a variety of reasons.

I'm sure at the time it happened your grandfather wouldn't have given too much of a toss about the queens actions. Had she done it several years later then maybe his opinion would gave differed. I actually struggle to think of a time I have ever sung God Save The Queen, I could safely say never but I'm not anti royalist.
 
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andyscott said:
She was a child, and he didnt fight the man, he fought the regime.
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Of course she was a child, I'm not painting her as a villain, I'm trying to show that there's no black and white here, it's not a Queen good / Corbyn bad situation, and I find platitudes designed to show Corbyn as the enemy of war heroes somewhere between hilarious and sickening. Hilarious because no one intelligent would fall for it, sickened to see that there are plenty of people not bright enough to realise the con trick.

But Liz II.
She was a child of largely German descent who later married a German, her uncle was a fan of Hitler, none of that is disputable, they're all well known truths we choose to ignore. But they weren't all 'well known' during the war.
 
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