What no jeremy cobyn thread?

Blank_Canvas said:
Defence Secretary Michael Fallon to warn "Labour are now a serious risk to the nation's security."
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Because its not the tory party thats slashed troop numbers and defence spending. Oh wait......
 
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dejongj said:
people had the chance in 2011 to vote for a different system which they overwhelmingly didn't want,
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I must admit I'd forgotten all about that, but was surprised at the out come.


The final result put the Yes vote at 32.1% and the No vote at 67.9%.
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Simplythebeast said:
Loving the first thing he does in celebration... Singing "We'll keep the red flag flying"... Took me right back to Miners Strike, British Leyland heaps, Ford Strikes, Run down and unfunded British Railways, Dock strikes, Winter of discontent, 3 day working week, power cuts and all those other lovely things the 'real' Labour Party and its uncontrolled trade unions brought us.
It makes for interesting times I suppose.
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It was actually a tory goverment that introduced a three day week and power cuts but dont let the facts get in the way of a good rant.
 
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mex said:
And Murdoughs enterprises will no doubt spout the same propaganda too. It seems the government are trully concerned by the appointment of Corbyn, I wonder why?
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Because he is a majorly left wing idiot who wants to cause as much disruption as possible based on spite and not economic reasons or any real concern for the people he supposedly represents.
 
Gsrai said:
Irrespective of what his politics are he's definitely put the cat amongst the pigeons which can only be good for politics in general - the middle of the road has been quite full for a while.

I'm looking forward to see how labour now cope and how the conservatives react.
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In some ways I agree, and hopefully he will be refreshing and be more open/answer questions directly and less focussed on spin. However, this will be short lived. While he may appeal to some, for labour to win an election he needs to win votes from UKIP and the Tories in marginal seats and I can't see him doing that.

I don't get this poverty thing either - is there any country where there is no poverty?
 
nilagin said:
Because he is a majorly left wing idiot who wants to cause as much disruption as possible based on spite and not economic reasons or any real concern for the people he supposedly represents.
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You do know that austerity is as much a political choice as an economic one? There are plenty of economists who would argue against it
 
Jakeblu I didn't say the three day week was introduced by the Labour Party, in fact It was introduced to conserve electricity, the generation of which was severely restricted owing to industrial action by coal miners.
 
Supports a united Ireland (Friend of fellow republican Jerry Adams)
Would abolish the Monarchy
Wants to increase refugee immigration
Would abolish our Nuclear deterrent
Will erode our armed Forces beyond their already pitiful footprint.
Would reintroduce Privatisation of the Railways first and then other Industries despite the obvious cost
Has no idea about financial institutions except that he wants to savage them
Will tax 'The Rich' ....... Though he hasn't told us what constitutes 'rich'
Will encourage the Bank of England to print and put more money into circulation thus introducing higher rates of inflation
Will sing to the sheet of the trade unions
Will not get in to power but if he did will leave the Country in financial ruin.
Other than that he's okay I suppose.
 
cambsno said:
In some ways I agree, and hopefully he will be refreshing and be more open/answer questions directly and less focussed on spin. However, this will be short lived. While he may appeal to some, for labour to win an election he needs to win votes from UKIP and the Tories in marginal seats and I can't see him doing that.

I don't get this poverty thing either - is there any country where there is no poverty?
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What fascinates me is how he will try to bring the party together, I like to think he's not stupid so he knows that the Labour Party will split (IMO) if he keeps to his hardcore values - we will see a politician evolve rather than seeing the same soap opera unfold every 4 years.

I've no love for UKIP but the party was different and the U.K. Voted for different - a lot which scared me tbh so this is almost a counter balance, never thought I'd see the day where the Tory's would be considered a safe bet.
 
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nice to see Corbyn and McClusky on greeting each other like old friends....
 
He must have woken this morning (if in fact he slept) thinking "what the f*** do I do now".he's been an insignificant little twonk for his whole career thus far,a man of principle (fair enough),now he will have to start telling porkies if he is going to advance the party further,let's see how that conflicts with said principles.
 
The first thing he won't like is the image consultants saying. "Look Jeremy, you can't wear corduroy jackets with leather elbow patches anymore. It just doesn't project the right image for a political leader!"
 
nilagin said:
Because he is a majorly left wing idiot who wants to cause as much disruption as possible based on spite and not economic reasons or any real concern for the people he supposedly represents.
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I doubt his actual objective is to cause disruption, or don't actually support his own views. What has he done to make you form an informed opinion like that?

Simplythebeast said:
Supports a united Ireland (Friend of fellow republican Jerry Adams)
Would abolish the Monarchy
Wants to increase refugee immigration
Would abolish our Nuclear deterrent
Will erode our armed Forces beyond their already pitiful footprint.
Would reintroduce Privatisation of the Railways first and then other Industries despite the obvious cost
Has no idea about financial institutions except that he wants to savage them
Will tax 'The Rich' ....... Though he hasn't told us what constitutes 'rich'
Will encourage the Bank of England to print and put more money into circulation thus introducing higher rates of inflation
Will sing to the sheet of the trade unions
Will not get in to power but if he did will leave the Country in financial ruin.
Other than that he's okay I suppose.
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So are you saying those things are more important than our democracy? Are you saying that if the majority of the British Citizens vote for him and Labour in the next election they are all wrong? Or do they simply have a different majority viewpoint to say you and I?

The other parties must ensure to not fall in the same awful behaviour as the alternative labour candidates exhibited. The other parties and leader must fight a positive campaign of conviction explaining why they are the best to take the lead. Not a campaign that explains why not Corbyn.
 
the strangely quiet nigel farage must now be sat rubbing his hands in glee ,this has dropped him a real opportunity at last . anyone who has half a brain cell will not vote for labour next time round .

and to those of you that say this was a fair and square popularity vote i can only say i would trust a vote in zimbawe to be fairer .the m.p's of labour should have been left to choose there leader not thrown it open to infiltrators .the mind totally boggles at how naive the people who supposedly run our country really are . i suppose the choices are harder now for our children do they choose arabic as there second language at school or russian you have been warned
 
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I'm happy he won. For a number of reasons. Foremost is his opposition to nuclear weapons. No country should have them.
 
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But that is exactly what will happen in all the elections from now until and including the next general election. All the other parties will attack Corbyn for his left win policies. I don't see why that is a problem, unless of course he changes his views then he look even more unelectable than he does now.
 
Of course no country should have them (nuclear weapons) but the fact is several do. So not unreasonable for us to have them.
 
Britain will never give up their nuclear capability. It's naive to think we ever will while other countries have it and plenty others wont relinquish their capability.
 
the black fox said:
the strangely quiet nigel farage must now be sat rubbing his hands in glee ,this has dropped him a real opportunity at last . anyone who has half a brain cell will not vote for labour next time round .

and to those of you that say this was a fair and square popularity vote i can only say i would trust a vote in zimbawe to be fairer .the m.p's of labour should have been left to choose there leader not thrown it open to infiltrators .the mind totally boggles at how naive the people who supposedly run our country really are . i suppose the choices are harder now for our children do they choose arabic as there second language at school or russian you have been warned
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We've seen how the votes were going from the beginning. the labour supporters moaning now should have paid there 3 quid and had there say.

Because some people have a different view to you, doesn't make them stupid.
 
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the black fox said:
the strangely quiet nigel farage must now be sat rubbing his hands in glee ,this has dropped him a real opportunity at last . anyone who has half a brain cell will not vote for labour next time round .

and to those of you that say this was a fair and square popularity vote i can only say i would trust a vote in zimbawe to be fairer .the m.p's of labour should have been left to choose there leader not thrown it open to infiltrators .the mind totally boggles at how naive the people who supposedly run our country really are . i suppose the choices are harder now for our children do they choose arabic as there second language at school or russian you have been warned
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What wasn't fair in the vote? What was not fair that would make a vote in Zimbabwe fairer? And why didn't any of the participants voiced their concerns before they noticed who was getting the votes? I don't agree with your view, but I am quite happy to change mine if you were to provide some actual reasons why it was so unfair?
 
norters said:
I'm happy he won. For a number of reasons. Foremost is his opposition to nuclear weapons. No country should have them.
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I agree with the latter in principle, however reality is that since people are involved, something else will be created that is bigger and worse. It is a futile point to oppose it, nice principles but it doesn't actually gain anything, yet has the potential to loose a lot.
 
norters said:
I'm happy he won. For a number of reasons. Foremost is his opposition to nuclear weapons. No country should have them.
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Fluffy idealism but unrealistic - countries do have them and that's why we need them. It's as simple as that.
 
Why are all the labour supporters moaning about their new Labour leader?
If he is unelectable maybe the core values of the labour party are no longer relevant and the labour party should disband and form a new party or just become conservatives ;)

The last Labour prime minister was Jim Callaghan. Since then we've just had conservative prime ministers but with a different coloured tie.
 
BRASH said:
Britain will never give up their nuclear capability. It's naive to think we ever will while other countries have it and plenty others wont relinquish their capability.
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Alright then.

We (and our allies) keep them and every other country gets to have them.

Seems the only other fair alternative to me.
 
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Fluffy idealism but unrealistic - countries do have them and that's why we need them. It's as simple as that.
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But we get all weak at the knees when Iran wants them. I don't get it. Israel are allowed them yet Iran are not. That's why the only solution in my eyes is for them to be banned or for all countries to have the capability.
 
Argentine President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner is happy with Jeremy Corbyn as the Labour Party's new leader.
She claimed in a statement that Corbyn "actively supports the call of the international community for dialogue between the United Kingdom and Argentina in the Malvinas question".
When Argentina calls for “dialogue” do you know what it actually means? It’s a euphemism for sovereignty hand-over talks against the will of Falkland Islanders. The Argentine constitution requires that Argentina obtain 100% sovereignty over the Falklands and other British territories in the South Atlantic. Therefore constitutionally, Argentina cannot, and will not, settle for anything less than full control of the Falklands, and therefore any conversation about the Islands isn't actually a 'negotiation' at all. Argentina calling for “dialogue” in this case is more like them saying "deliver the Falklands to us, and the inhabitants wishes are irrelevant" – which clearly would be a blatant act of colonialism.
 
norters said:
Alright then.

We (and our allies) keep them and every other country gets to have them.

Seems the only other fair alternative to me.
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Even more reason for keeping them but as you well know certain countries will not be allowed to have the capability. That's the way it is, the way it should be and the way it will stay, whether you agree with it or not. That is the reality of the situation and I have to say I'm pretty comfortable with that.
 
BRASH said:
Even more reason for keeping them but as you well know certain countries will not be allowed to have the capability. That's the way it is, the way it should be and the way it will stay, whether you agree with it or not. That is the reality of the situation and I have to say I'm pretty comfortable with that.
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After the Treaty of Versailles was signed in 1919 Germany were forbidden to build any fighting aircraft or ships. Of course we all know they chose to ignore that and the subsequent outcome !
 
of course what he says is "impressive" and "genuine" ......... but with most of his policies how long will he carry the rest of the PLP in Parliament when it comes to a "vote" ............ particularly on a major matter
 
dejongj said:
I doubt his actual objective is to cause disruption, or don't actually support his own views. What has he done to make you form an informed opinion like that?



So are you saying those things are more important than our democracy? Are you saying that if the majority of the British Citizens vote for him and Labour in the next election they are all wrong? .
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Err....... no, I think you just said that.
 
nilagin said:
Well you get a drone with laser targeting and missiles and take 'em out.
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I suppose thats an improvement on a comment (not yours i hasten to add) on a previous thread where he wanted to glass the region with a tactical nuclear strike, killing hundreds of thousands if not millions of people just so he could sleep in his bed safe from the big bad muslim who wants to behead him.
 
Yves Geza said:
Oh dear! That's simply naive and wrong. Perhaps that is typical of you?

My late father was an East End Grammar School boy in the 1930s who went on to be knighted. His school mates went on to win a Nobel Prize, went on to be much-published writers, went on to be scions of the Communist Party, went on to be long-standing Treasury ministers ...

He sent me to a minor Public School, one of whose old boys was the Labour Cabinet Minister who famously said "If it's the last thing I do, I'm going to destroy every f*****g grammar school in England. And Wales and Northern Ireland" and tried to! Because the Labour Party has never really wanted to diminish its client base through social mobility.

There is a glorious irony in your post though, because the greatest single diminution of the British class system did indeed come after World War II as part of a response to the National Socialist government in Germany in the 1940s, But I bet that's not what you had in mind
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Grammar schools do not bring about social mobility.
 
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