What is the answer to scumbags on the streets at 3am

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A guy at work bought an R reg Peugeot 106 to get him to work and back, he lives on a council estate in Wigan, at 3am this morning there's someone banging on the door which wakes him up, all he can see is blue flashing lights, he goes downstairs to see his car is well ablaze and a fire engine has just pulled up.

In front of his peugeot was a 58 plate mondeo, behind a Volvo neither of those had been touched, he asked the fireman why his car, the reply, because it wouldn't have set the alarm off when they smashed the window and burned it. This is the 10th one tonight .

These people are not decent members of society so why do we treat them as if they are, community service, fines, light jail sentences.:razz:

so what's the answer, curfew, birch, 10 years in prison because it can't carry on like this
 
I say we give them a taste of their own medicine

That will teach 'em
 
wack61 said:
A guy at work bought an R reg Peugeot 106 to get him to work and back, he lives on a council estate in Wigan, at 3am this morning there's someone banging on the door which wakes him up, all he can see is blue flashing lights, he goes downstairs to see his car is well ablaze and a fire engine has just pulled up.

In front of his peugeot was a 58 plate mondeo, behind a Volvo neither of those had been touched, he asked the fireman why his car, the reply, because it wouldn't have set the alarm off when they smashed the window and burned it. This is the 10th one tonight .

These people are not decent members of society so why do we treat them as if they are, community service, fines, light jail sentences.:razz:

so what's the answer, curfew, birch, 10 years in prison because it can't carry on like this
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No, a Bullet in the back of their head.
 
This is a pet subject of mine. As soon as a person breaks the law, they step outside society and therefore relinquish the right to any protection offered to them by the society they chose to leave.
The first politician to stand on a crime and punishment mandate will get my vote.
My answer is the tried and tested Victorian method. Build huge prisons to house the wrong-doers and hand down long sentences to deter repeat offending. When the prisons fill up, build more. This will cost. There is a trade-off however in reduction of crime, and less unemployment. It all sounds too simple, but it worked in the past. Most important is to get rid of games consoles and TV's. By the time the prisoners have spent a day working on a chain gang and being drilled in the exercise yard, they will be too tired for anything else.

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Tazmaniandevil said:
This is a pet subject of mine. As soon as a person breaks the law, they step outside society and therefore relinquish the right to any protection offered to them by the society they chose to leave.
The first politician to stand on a crime and punishment mandate will get my vote.
My answer is the tried and tested Victorian method. Build huge prisons to house the wrong-doers and hand down long sentences to deter repeat offending. When the prisons fill up, build more. This will cost. There is a trade-off however in reduction of crime, and less unemployment. It all sounds too simple, but it worked in the past. Most important is to get rid of games consoles and TV's. By the time the prisoners have spent a day working on a chain gang and being drilled in the exercise yard, they will be too tired for anything else.

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Placing them in prisons as far away from their home town as possible would make them suffer a bit more when they get no visits from friends and family.
 
A lead injection, Delivered by gun.
 
Give them a hug.

Its easy to talk tough on the internet, in the real world its another story. Nothing can be done, that's life there will always be a minority of people that like to vandalise.. We have all seen Demolition Man, utopia's don't work either.

There are far worse things going on in the world than some bloke losing his car. He should count himself lucky, in some country people don't lose cars, they lose legs and arms they are blown to bits in the middle of the night, ya get my drift.
 
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Bring back national service!
Teach the f***ers once & for all!
 
We've outsourced things like call centres to cheaper countries so I think we should do the same with our scum. I'm sure the Chinese, Thai, Cambodians etc would be happy to have the money from us to build new prisons for their prisoners while ours go in their old prisons. Plus the money we spend on keeping them in luxury here. Hopefully most won't survive their sentences to return.

Then we can also wait for the Mad Max days which are approaching, when we can just take a shotgun to them.
 
MisterE said:
We've outsourced things like call centres to cheaper countries so I think we should do the same with our scum. I'm sure the Chinese, Thai, Cambodians etc would be happy to have the money from us to build new prisons for their prisoners while ours go in their old prisons. Plus the money we spend on keeping them in luxury here. Hopefully most won't survive their sentences to return.
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Good old-fashioned Transportation. That was a quality sentence, although the crims got to go to ace places liek New Zealand and we stay here in Blighty.

I reckon that the victims should be given the right to be relocated to a nice place and the criminals should be made to live amongst their own. Spend the money on the victim, throw the yob back ;)
 
How can you apply human or civil rights to un-civilised b*stards ?

The reality is that it happens everywhere, just to a lesser or greater degree.
There's absolutely nothing anyone can do about it and the people who do this
sort of thing know it...

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MisterE said:
We've outsourced things like call centres to cheaper countries so I think we should do the same with our scum. I'm sure the Chinese, Thai, Cambodians etc would be happy to have the money from us to build new prisons for their prisoners while ours go in their old prisons. Plus the money we spend on keeping them in luxury here. Hopefully most won't survive their sentences to return.

Then we can also wait for the Mad Max days which are approaching, when we can just take a shotgun to them.
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India is the place. Indian prisons have the lowest re-offending rate in the world - only 4% (UK is 65%).
 
Ah! God bless righteous anger!

Let's form a torch-weilding mob and storm their house and kill them all! MOB RULE MOB RULE MOB RULE!
 
Myky D said:
Ah! God bless righteous anger!

Let's form a torch-weilding mob and storm their house and kill them all! MOB RULE MOB RULE MOB RULE!
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welcome to TPF's 'Out of Focus / Wind yourself up into a frenzy / Hanging's too good for 'em' section.

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use them for testing instead of innocent animals, leave them to suffer, then kill the b........
 
Myky D said:
Ah! God bless righteous anger!

Let's form a torch-weilding mob and storm their house and kill them all! MOB RULE MOB RULE MOB RULE!
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Hey! Great idea. Except that makes 'the mob' no better than the crims unfortunately.
No, the only real answer is longer prison sentences in bigger prisons and a return to the concept of hard labour. No more namby pamby "tagging" and automatic early release. Make the f***ers realise they are being punished.
Any payment they would normally recieve in lieu of wages for their hard labour should go straight to the victims. Also, because they are working in prison, their dependents should automatically be disqualified from any means tested state benefits.
Any immigrants committing crimes like like this one, should be automatically deported as soon as they finish their sentence - any family members they have should be deported as soon as the sentence is handed down.

It will work.
 
Tazmaniandevil said:
because they are working in prison, their dependents should automatically be disqualified from any means tested state benefits.
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Holy crops.

So - asa six year-old, because my daddy did a bad thing, I should be turfed out onto the street to fend for myself?
 
In South Africa anyone seen commmitting an act of vandalism or theft used to get a bullet to the kneecap. That usually prevent's future offending....
 
As far as I'm concerned, we don't have a problem with our laws, we have a problem with effective deterrents, mainly because long term prison sentences are so bloody expensive to the taxpayers.
Here's a suggestion.
Ensure that crimes have costs associated, eg.
- Compensation for the victim
- Pay for costs for police time, prison costs, judges costs etc
If the person can pay, then it's probably not a big deal, and the costs are likely to put off most people.
If they can't pay directly, sell their assets. If they still can't pay make them involuntary organ donors and sell their organs on. That way (a) the criminal actually adds some value back to the society he's trying to screw over, and (b) occasionally, mistakes will be made about people who've been sentenced. At least you can then say "well we got 10% wrong, but helped save however many lives in the process.
 
I think that our Criminal Justice system is pretty fair as far as it goes - compared to Iraq; Iran; any other ****-hole...

The problem as has been stated here is that prison isn't enough of a deterrent.

Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County, Arizona keeps getting re-elected because of his tough stance on crime.
Prisoners live in a tented camp surrounded by barbed-wire miles out in the desert and are fed military-style rations. Meals cost about 40c per serving.
They work on community projects under armed guard - road-building/maintenance etc - classic chain-gang activity...when there were complaints from Civil Rights groups, the sheriff pointed out that the same living conditions were endured by US Troops serving in Iraq and Afghanistan and if it was good enough for 'Our Boys' then it was good enough for offenders...there were no further complaints.
There was no TV until the Supreme Court ruled that this was unconstitutional, so now they have cable TV locked to the Disney and weather channel: "So they can see how hot it's going to be while they're working..."
The Prison uniforms are pink - pink shirts, trousers and underwear...no-one acts tough dressed in pink, apparently...
Coffee is banned as it has no nutritional value.
The prisoners are paid a stipend for the work they do, but are deducted for food, clothing and lighting.

This county has the lowest re-offender rate in the country and the Sheriff has been re-elected about five times now.

Obviously this is somewhat over the top, but if we stopped hugging criminals and worrying about their rights and started punishing them instead, maybe we'd actually get somewhere...

Maybe then victims wouldn't feel so victimised.
 
badgerbaiter said:
to be honest i think burning a couple of hundred quids worth of car should carry the death penalty in this day and age.
hanging is too good for them.
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badgerbaiter said:
welcome to TPF's 'Out of Focus / Wind yourself up into a frenzy / Hanging's too good for 'em' section.
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10 cars is more than a couple of hundred quids worth, but lets not let facts get in the way, so what's your answer then:shrug:
 
Arkady said:
Obviously this is somewhat over the top, but if we stopped hugging criminals and worrying about their rights and started punishing them instead, maybe we'd actually get somewhere...

Maybe then victims wouldn't feel so victimised.
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:clap: And that's for the whole post, not just what I quoted.
 
wack61 said:
10 cars is more than a couple of hundred quids worth, but lets not let facts get in the way, so what's your answer then:shrug:
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Really? Where I come from 10 cars would only total £200 if they had petrol in them.
 
wack61 said:
10 cars is more than a couple of hundred quids worth, but lets not let facts get in the way, so what's your answer then:shrug:
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i already gave you my answer. They should be killed like most people have been suggesting.
It would make the law much simpler if all crimes carried the death penalty.
To save tax payers money we should get rid of the courts too and be allowed to kill anyone that we think might have commited a crime.
 
neo2810 said:
In South Africa anyone seen commmitting an act of vandalism or theft used to get a bullet to the kneecap. That usually prevent's future offending....
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Yup, and it works brilliantly. As we all know, South Africa has the lowest crime rates in the world and its a really safe place to live.
 
badgerbaiter said:
Yup, and it works brilliantly. As we all know, South Africa has the lowest crime rates in the world and its a really safe place to live.
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Yep:D:D

It is simply a problem in that the damn cops are supposed to aim at the skulls and not the legs.

The problem is compounded by the fact that most cops are fairly crappy shots and hence the high numbers surviving to re-offend...:bang::bang:

























You do realise that I AM JOKING...Right?

S.A. isn't THAT bad from a crime perspective...wish I could say the same about the political front
 
Arkady said:
I think that our Criminal Justice system is pretty fair as far as it goes - compared to Iraq; Iran; any other ****-hole...

The problem as has been stated here is that prison isn't enough of a deterrent.

Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County, Arizona keeps getting re-elected because of his tough stance on crime.
Prisoners live in a tented camp surrounded by barbed-wire miles out in the desert and are fed military-style rations. Meals cost about 40c per serving.
They work on community projects under armed guard - road-building/maintenance etc - classic chain-gang activity...when there were complaints from Civil Rights groups, the sheriff pointed out that the same living conditions were endured by US Troops serving in Iraq and Afghanistan and if it was good enough for 'Our Boys' then it was good enough for offenders...there were no further complaints.
There was no TV until the Supreme Court ruled that this was unconstitutional, so now they have cable TV locked to the Disney and weather channel: "So they can see how hot it's going to be while they're working..."
The Prison uniforms are pink - pink shirts, trousers and underwear...no-one acts tough dressed in pink, apparently...
Coffee is banned as it has no nutritional value.
The prisoners are paid a stipend for the work they do, but are deducted for food, clothing and lighting.

This county has the lowest re-offender rate in the country and the Sheriff has been re-elected about five times now.

Obviously this is somewhat over the top, but if we stopped hugging criminals and worrying about their rights and started punishing them instead, maybe we'd actually get somewhere...

Maybe then victims wouldn't feel so victimised.
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I've seen a documentary on that prison, and it does look like a horrific place to be. Prisons in this country should be just that, a prison. No TV with full Sky and an Xbox in your cell. One of the main reasons re-offending rates are so high in this country is that many people have a better life in prison than they get on the outside. A significant number of criminals actively try to get locked up and sent to prison, because it is better accommodation than they would get in the community. That needs to stop. And bring back the birch for offences such as vandalism and criminal damage commited by under 25s. Whilst this may seem harsh, it would be much more of a deterrent than a 'community punishment'.
 
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