What is happening/happened to our NHS ?

badlywornroy said:
Let me 'fuel' the discussion.
Data released under Freedom of Information rules.
The amount being spent by NHS in England to plug staffing gaps by hiring agency medics has reached £3bn a year, with one hospital trust paying more than £5,200 for a doctor for a single shift.
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I surmise a significant portion of that fee is the agency costs :thinking:
 
Box Brownie said:
I surmise a significant portion of that fee is the agency costs :thinking:
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Absolutely, certainly at my hospital I don't even get an agency shift, we have a locum setup that is run within the trust thereby completely eliminating the need to even use agencies.
 
The governments oft repeated mantra that it provides sufficient money to NHS year on year is in fact a lie, by careful manipulation of statistics and downright withholding of information the facts are hidden that incredible amounts of money are syphoned off to essentially the private sector and they are increased year on year.

The official figures are that 7% of NHS allocated funds are paid to the private sector when the reality is that the true figure is closer to 26% of total expenditure. This is where the real money is actually going leaving the NHS itself chronically underfunded year on year and unable to provide the services we expect, no wonder the staff are demoralised.

www.investmentmonitor.ai

NHS privatisation: who's to blame and to what extent has the private sector taken over?

Much about the NHS in the UK remains opaque and difficult to pin down, and the scale of privatisation in the service is no exception.
www.investmentmonitor.ai www.investmentmonitor.ai

blogs.lse.ac.uk

Flawed data? Why NHS spending on the independent sector may actually be much more than 7%

The presentation of data on NHS expenditure is flawed, writes David Rowland, which prevents policymakers from having a clear understanding of where money within the system is going. He estimates th…
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footman said:
The governments oft repeated mantra that it provides sufficient money to NHS year on year is in fact a lie,
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...anyone who is at all surprised by that should consult their doctor immediately - they may be suffering from Tory Belief Syndrome! :naughty:
 
tijuana taxi said:
Very sad sight seeing nurses on a picket line.
Tory government and voters you should be so ashamed of yourselves
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Yep, I found out today we now have a food bank for some of our staff on our NICU, a bloody foodbank, that's just for our area, god knows what other areas in the same hospital are doing :(
 
What do you have to do to get access to a food bank?
 
There are many issues, facing the NHS, but the truth is the government are not minded to make any serious attempt to fix them. Why should they, when they and their friends, can sit around like vultures, mopping up services that are being privatised by sealth. We saw, with the PPE fiasco, how the government will look after it's friends and award massive contracts. Almost like a practice run, to move ahead and dismantle, the NHS.

But the NHS, is worth fighting for, so I've no doubt I'll be on many more strike days!
 
tijuana taxi said:
I'm sure you can Google that question to fimd out the criteria.
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What would knowing the Google answer tell me about the thought process and position of the contributors to this discussion?

That's kind of the point of discussion, isn't it?
 
tijuana taxi said:
I'm sure you can Google that question to fimd out the criteria.
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Do all foodbanks have the same criteria?
Do the ones in the hospital in question apply those criteria?
 
simon ess said:
What would knowing the Google answer tell me about the thought process and position of the contributors to this discussion?

That's kind of the point of discussion, isn't it?
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That wasn't the question though was it?
 
Cockney said:
What do you have to do to get access to a food bank?
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simon ess said:
I was wondering the same. Do you have to earn below a certain amount?
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Cockney said:
Do all foodbanks have the same criteria?
Do the ones in the hospital in question apply those criteria?
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Ah so ye are on about the one at my work, that wasn't clear in your initial posts which may explain why you were asked to google.
Our management team have proactively surveyed all the current staff as to how well they are coping in the current cost of living crisis and part of this work has identified members of the team that are in dire need, hence the food bank
 
Donnie said:
Our management team have proactively surveyed all the current staff as to how well they are coping in the current cost of living crisis and part of this work has identified members of the team that are in dire need, hence the food bank
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Oh right. Well done for investigating the methodology in one day.

How have they conducted the survey and identified those in need?
 
Donnie said:
Ah so ye are on about the one at my work, that wasn't clear in your initial posts which may explain why you were asked to google.
Our management team have proactively surveyed all the current staff as to how well they are coping in the current cost of living crisis and part of this work has identified members of the team that are in dire need, hence the food bank
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Thanks. The reason I ask is because a relative works for Barnsley council. They know staff who regularly use the council food bank and have flash cars and 2 holidays a year. It needs to be monitored. If you offer free stuff somebody will take it.
Glad thats not the case at yours.
 
Cockney said:
Thanks. The reason I ask is because a relative works for Barnsley council. They know staff who regularly use the council food bank and have flash cars and 2 holidays a year. It needs to be monitored. If you offer free stuff somebody will take it.
Glad thats not the case at yours.
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Yep, none of that, many of ours are qualified nurses that have been coping for a while but of course the cost of living has pushed some over the edge, none of them even drive as they deliberately all live locally to the hospital. The system is set up so that a few of the senior nurse team monitor it for appropriateness, fairness and need.
 
Cockney said:
Thanks. The reason I ask is because a relative works for Barnsley council. They know staff who regularly use the council food bank and have flash cars and 2 holidays a year. It needs to be monitored. If you offer free stuff somebody will take it.
Glad thats not the case at yours.
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Some people will always take the p*** given the opportunity. :(
 
Donnie said:
Ah so ye are on about the one at my work, that wasn't clear in your initial posts which may explain why you were asked to google.
Our management team have proactively surveyed all the current staff as to how well they are coping in the current cost of living crisis and part of this work has identified members of the team that are in dire need, hence the food bank
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simon ess said:
Oh right. Well done for investigating the methodology in one day.

How have they conducted the survey and identified those in need?
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Sorry, what do you mean about "investigating the methodology in one day"?
 
Cobra said:
Some people will always take the p*** given the opportunity. :(
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Indeed, but this is a close knit team and as I say, its monitored. Its not like a general food bank that people can just go to and know one knows you or your situation.
 
Donnie said:
Indeed, but this is a close knit team and as I say, its monitored. Its not like a general food bank that people can just go to and know one knows you or your situation.
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I'm glad to hear it (y)
 
Many if not most food banks are quite tightly monitored particularly ones run by the Trussell Trust, people can't simply walk in and take what they fancy.
Most rely on people in need being referred by organisations such Citizens Advice, churches have their own monitoring systems.
It's certainly not a free for all as some people would like to believe although there will always be anecdotal reports of abuse.
 
footman said:
It's certainly not a free for all as some people would like to believe although there will always be anecdotal reports of abuse.
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We have one, once a week, locally, in a community center.
Supermarkets donate close to use buy date food, anything from bread, fresh fruit & veg, tinned goods and more.
All you need to get in, is your own bag(s)

It's probably not a food bank, in the true sense of the word though, more like care in the community.
 
I worked out what the average nurse would have lost on their strike day (as I've said before I wasn't legally allowed to strike) So, I wanted to do something and wasn't sure, so I basically worked out the cost of strking at about £50 (fortune to some, pittance to others) so I went to Sainsburys and bought just over £50 of food, paid for it and wheeled it straight to the food donation bins for the local food bank and filled them.
My theory is it will help (I hope) many of those in need, including families with nurses, teachers, rail workers etc etc etc.

Assuming the next one goes ahead (20th December when Im on a long NICU day shift AND it's my 30th Wedding anniversary!) I may well donate £100 to our NICU cost of living fund.
 
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