What happened to the word "photograph"

tiler65 said:
what about a polaroid then?
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Very good question!!!!

I have one of those (SX-70 Land Camera, full leather), not quite sure what to do with it, although I do know how to open it, but wouldn't have a clue how to operate it! Can one still get film for those contraptions? Any advice? or should I just bin it?

D :)
 
this threads that long i have forgotten what you were talking about
 
Photograph..............it's all Greek to me.
 
gogless said:
this threads that long i have forgotten what you were talking about
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OMG where have you been, besides it is not that long, I have seen longer :p

But just for chance you are too lazy to read the whole thread I will help you out here (but only this once, and it ain't even my thread)

OP: 'What happened to the word "photograph"'

does that spark any lights?

Now I expect a valuable contribution from you :lol:

D :)
 
I take photographs. I also take/shoot pictures. I down load the images on my computer. I may tweak them and add a little bit of (image) manipulation, in Photo-shop. Once I have processed/edited I may put a few images on my website. Otherwise I may send the digital files to a photo lab and have some prints made from the piccys I've captured and processed. I end up with a photograph which I may frame and hang on the wall. or place in a photo album. People may comment on my photograph with "that's a lovely picture/photgraph or "CRAP" :p
 
Perhaps Image is the digital/net term of print?:thinking:
 
All very intersting I'm sure. But I've just got in and am too knackered to comment further. I might tomorrow if I'm feeling less grumpy ;)

Nighty night.
 
@karmagarda....

whilst I agree........ going back to the root languages, it is literally "writing with light", from "photos" - greek, and "graphos" greek and latin.......
 
GRUMPY OLE GIT!
 
phos (photo) is light in Greek, graph is draw in Greek, lux is light in Latin.
 
ryanyboy said:
All very intersting I'm sure. But I've just got in and am too knackered to comment further. I might tomorrow if I'm feeling less grumpy ;)

Nighty night.
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Obviously can't take the pace :lol:

(See you as the main character in the next re-make of grumpy old men)
 
It seems threads like this show how people struggle with similes and the English language's vast vocabulary.

An image is a a visual entity.
A picture is a less abstract concept than an image but for most purposes about the same thing.
A photograph is a particular subset of an image.
A painting is another subset of image.
A drawing is another.

The last three are images where some notion of how the image was produced is communicated by the word.

All photos are images. Not all images are photos.

I love how people like to take liberties with language to try and elevate themselves somehow i.e. "I make photographs" as opposed to "I take pictures". "I capture images" is for dorks however :p

Point is, whether you end up with a fine-art photograph or quick snapshot, you've done the same thing - take a picture with a camera ;)
 
desantnik said:
However, Nikon seem to use the word "pictures" or "exposures" in their product manuals but equally refer to their camera range as "imaging products" :thinking:
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Yep, and that, IMO, is where the source of this discussion comes from, certainly from my experience working at a retailer of some of the first commercially available professional digital cameras in the early 1990s, which was a subsidiary of a computer reseller.

Back in the 1950s and 60s when the technologies we use now were first being developed, the people that were doing it were creating electronic imaging and digital imaging devices (the pixel is 53 years old) - terms used specifically to set them apart from traditional chemical-based photography.

What we have seen over the last 20 years or so, as those technologies have entered the mainstream photographic world, is the importation of that terminology into photographic lingo. The terms have become largely interchangeable in an environment where photographers are recording digital images.

e2a: An illuminating example: Scanners are also digital imaging products, but they are not cameras and, by and large, do not make photographs, but digital images.
 
The same migration of terminology from computer science into photography has occurred with the word capture, as in image capture meaning 'digitisation of an image' in the computer world.

It's now found its way into photography - you'll frequently see comments on Flickr (in the way that these things happen on Flickr) such as "great capture". I'd be surprised if any of the older members of the forum can remember the word being used that way in a photographic context much before the 1980s or even 1990s.
 
desantnik said:
Actually, not according to Adobe - and I think we can probably use them as definers of the process.

In Lightroom you "import photos", not "import images".
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Lightroom was designed from the outset as a tool specifically for photographers, by photographers. It started out as a skunk works project by some Adobe programmers, who were also photographers, in their spare time. They wanted to develop a tool that was more photographically oriented than Photoshop, right through the entire workflow. They consequently adopted a more photographic terminology - hence Import Photos.

While Photoshop also was conceived by a pair of photographic enthusiasts, it rapidly became a much more general-purpose graphics application - an image processor.

It has an Image menu after File and Edit, not a Photo menu. Indeed, it's original name was ImagePro.
 
The word "Image" is really winding me up lately, especially when I read it multiple times per post.
I don't know why, but sometimes I get the impression the tog thinks they have taken something better than a photograph, "I got this image..." AAAARRRRGGHHHH :bang:
 
For me a photograph is something that has care lavished on it from conception right through to finished product, be that a hand-print created in a darkroom or a bunch of pixels on someone's monitor.

An 'image' encompasses everything from 'photograph' to happy-snap. Everything I create is an image, whereas they're not all photographs...
 
Languages generally work because we (the speakers/users of the language) have a common and agreed understanding of the meaning of words. This discussion is offensive to the English language :p
 
what about picture


ryanyboy said:
With my cameras I create photographs. Why has the word "image" taken over? If it's a laziness thing then what about "photo?"

Does "image" sound a bit more sexy? A bit more trendy?

Or am I just a grumpy old man today :D
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Technically I suppose a photograph can always be considered an image, but an image isn't always necessarily a photograph. You could substitute image with picture too and it still fits.

Ok, I need to stop getting out of bed on saturdays before 10 :lol:
 
joxby said:
I'd kinda like to explore the thought that a key everyday PS action outside of levels could involve smurf dog sex.....and if it were smurf dog sex but "converted to mono", could anybody tell it wasn't two shopped consenting dogs doing what comes natural in the privacy of their own bit of wasteland.
I mean more than once I've caught myself not recognising smurfs in various states of undress when they are pictured in B/W, it seems if it looks ok, who's to know ??

except the smurf....

who doubtless enjoys the attention..



:)
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.... I can't argue with that logic :D
 
It could be a matter of the photographers roots, perhaps film or digital,

I'm guessing that in the last few years definitions have been changed in Wikipedia ect to take into account Digital,

but In its purest form a Digitally created image is just a series of 1's & 0's and bears no resemblance to a photograph,

the same cannot be said for an exposed negative, can it ?

food for thought, chicken & egg next ?

Al
 
So, Sezzi, if you scan a negative into the computer, does it cease to be a photograph?
 
To me if you scan the neg then save it onto the Computer its then back to being a series of 1's & 0's so until it is turned back in a hard copy that is visible to the naked eye (print/neg) without the aid of any 3rd party equipment (ie monitor) is not a photograph by way of definition (1820's tech) when the word "photograph" originated, and also no sign of the word "Digital" being used in those days,

So I would use the term "image" whilst is in a digital format (1's & 0"s)
& the term "Photograph" is in an analogue format (print,neg ect)

This is just my thoughts and I'm not expecting everyone to agree, just an opinion from a Pro 27yrs in the trade...

Al'
 
The word "photograph" does not mean "print" either. :)

It is simply the recording of light. It does not specificy whether that is analogue or digital.
 
sezzi said:
To me if you scan the neg then save it onto the Computer its then back to being a series of 1's & 0's so until it is turned back in a hard copy that is visible to the naked eye (print/neg) without the aid of any 3rd party equipment (ie monitor) is not a photograph by way of definition (1820's tech) when the word "photograph" originated, and also no sign of the word "Digital" being used in those days,

So I would use the term "image" whilst is in a digital format (1's & 0"s)
& the term "Photograph" is in an analogue format (print,neg ect)

This is just my thoughts and I'm not expecting everyone to agree, just an opinion from a Pro 27yrs in the trade...

Al'
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An image is anything you can see and it includes photographs, drawings, paintings and even thoughts (mental images).

As for a monitor being 3rd party equipment, the you could also say that about the paper the photograph is printed on. A photograph is a photograph, whether displayed on a screen or printed on a piece of paper.

Oh, and when the word photograph was first used, there was no sign of the word "Fim" either. The word photograph describes the type of image, not the medium it was captured with.
 
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