Hi All, I've had interest in one of my photos on Flickr, and they are asking if they can buy 'non-exclusive rights' to it. What exactly does that mean? Use once only? Never sold a photo before. Have had plenty of interest before, but they usually want it for free, and I just ignore them. This is going to be for a 'baby board book', and have said: 'We use royalty-free images for our books but would offer you a flat fee of $50 for the high resolution image.' Any help in this matter much appreciated.
What does 'non-exclusive rights' mean?
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Basically, it means that even though theyre paying you for it, you can sell it to someone else aswell.
The rest of the terms you don't mention, like are they going touse it *only* for that book, what about print run, size etc.
The rest of the terms you don't mention, like are they going touse it *only* for that book, what about print run, size etc.
They don't mention any of that. Do you think $50 is not enough then? The company is www.starbrightbooks.com.
They make it sound like they don't usually pay for a photo (the royalty free bit?), but will do this time?
They make it sound like they don't usually pay for a photo (the royalty free bit?), but will do this time?
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Yeah, well they would wouldn't they, make it sound like they're doing you a favour.
At least they're offering something, I'm gutted at the number of peeps who let their images go for a credit, its the reason these guy's suggest they aren't used to paying for photos they want to use.
If it was Vogue or something, maybe I'd give em a shot for credit only, even though I know they have £millions, but its not Vogue.
I think I'm going to let them have it. I don't expect anything back from my photography, but anything I do get is a bonus. But at the same time, i don't give my photos away for free either.
I know it's only $50, but are their any implications on me? Will they expect me to provide them with an invoice? How am I likely to get paid, as they are US based? Do I have to declare it for tax purposes? Anything else I should be aware of.
I know it's only $50, but are their any implications on me? Will they expect me to provide them with an invoice? How am I likely to get paid, as they are US based? Do I have to declare it for tax purposes? Anything else I should be aware of.
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Royalty Free does not mean they do not pay for the image. It means they pay to licence the image but can use it pretty much how they want except for certain conditions which generally include:
The image is for the licencee's use only, not to be sold, shared or given to a third party
There is often a restriction on the size of the print run - 250,000 - 500,000
The image cannot be used in any derogatory manner - sexual, smoking, political etc
The image is for the licencee's use only, not to be sold, shared or given to a third party
There is often a restriction on the size of the print run - 250,000 - 500,000
The image cannot be used in any derogatory manner - sexual, smoking, political etc
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$50 = £25 = peanuts
These publishers must know how much this picture is worth and they're trying it on.
This is going to sound harsh but repro fees have dropped and dropped over the last few years, because there are so many people out there willing to sell their pictures for peanuts, or give them away.
Look at the alamy website to give yourself some idea of what this picture might be worth!
These publishers must know how much this picture is worth and they're trying it on.
This is going to sound harsh but repro fees have dropped and dropped over the last few years, because there are so many people out there willing to sell their pictures for peanuts, or give them away.
Look at the alamy website to give yourself some idea of what this picture might be worth!
I'm being pointed to: http://www.londonfreelance.org/feesguide/phboorat.html
So may also send them the link, to see what they think?
So may also send them the link, to see what they think?
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As has been stated, royalty free does not mean free. Royalty free just means that they do not have to pay you a percentage of the profit they make from the use of your image.
It would be wrong for you to just want to give them the image, especially if they are going to make a book and make money from the use of the image. Full rez images sales in a royalty free basis can fetch between $250 - $500US (asuming this is not for advertising usage), and I would think they know this full well. The problem for you is that if you go back and ask for $300 US, they might say no and move on. Them offering you $50 is a bit dirty, but if you are really happy with it, then it might be ok.
As for payment, I can't really help you, as all my sales to outside UK are through agencies who collect the money (and take their percentage).
It would be wrong for you to just want to give them the image, especially if they are going to make a book and make money from the use of the image. Full rez images sales in a royalty free basis can fetch between $250 - $500US (asuming this is not for advertising usage), and I would think they know this full well. The problem for you is that if you go back and ask for $300 US, they might say no and move on. Them offering you $50 is a bit dirty, but if you are really happy with it, then it might be ok.
As for payment, I can't really help you, as all my sales to outside UK are through agencies who collect the money (and take their percentage).
Yes, that's the thing. I have looked at the user, and they have no photos. However, it looks like they are going through Flickr and favouriting similar shots. So if I don't accept, they will ask the next person. Fortunately, for me, they have not got another photo favourited that is similar to mine. Yet!!
BTW: Got you all, on royalty free. If I'd have thought about it for a second, i would have understood what it meant myself!!
BTW: Got you all, on royalty free. If I'd have thought about it for a second, i would have understood what it meant myself!!
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After a quick look, those rates look much more appropriate to me.
Its not easy, but why not try bargaining? The publisher might expect you to come back with a higher offer and you might meet them somewhere in the middle.
Torpedo, the NUJ fees guide looks like a very useful website. Thanks.
Incidentally, chaps, why not start a forum here for advice on fees, rates, copyright, general business matters?
Its not easy, but why not try bargaining? The publisher might expect you to come back with a higher offer and you might meet them somewhere in the middle.
Torpedo, the NUJ fees guide looks like a very useful website. Thanks.
Incidentally, chaps, why not start a forum here for advice on fees, rates, copyright, general business matters?
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Yes, but they'll still be paying full whack to the printers, distributors, retail etc.
Why should photographers have to always drop their fees?
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I don't think that would be such a great thing. As much as some might want to turn this into a pro forum, it just is not. There are better places to ask such questions, and I think it is apropriate for people to be directed to the appropriate place as needed.
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But there are a lot of people on here who occasionally might want to sell a picture and need advice on how to go about it - like Torpedo.
Many people would like to develop their photography from a hobby into a paying hobby and perhaps into a business eventually.
A "business matters" forum would complement the other fora quite well, I suggest.
Many people would like to develop their photography from a hobby into a paying hobby and perhaps into a business eventually.
A "business matters" forum would complement the other fora quite well, I suggest.
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A lot of the smaller niche market books will be self published or published in small quantities by specialist printers. They will try and cut out as many of the middlemen - retailers, wholesalers and distributors as possible. Quite often they may well be self financed as well without the backing of a huge publisher who can bankroll a book.
I'd ask the publisher what the print run would be and other questions along those lines before deciding if the $ 50 offered is OK.
Its not their fault either that the exchange rate is poor between the US$ and UK£. Things are generally cheaper over there - fuel, computers, cars
I'd ask the publisher what the print run would be and other questions along those lines before deciding if the $ 50 offered is OK.
Its not their fault either that the exchange rate is poor between the US$ and UK£. Things are generally cheaper over there - fuel, computers, cars