What car?

What car would you have under budget?

  • Octavia 2.0 TDI PD 140

    Votes: 20 45.5%
  • Octavia 1.9 TDI PD 105

    Votes: 4 9.1%
  • Superb 1.9 TDI PD 130

    Votes: 5 11.4%
  • Avensis 2.2 D-4D

    Votes: 7 15.9%
  • Accord 2.2 diesel executive and highest insurance

    Votes: 13 29.5%

  • Total voters
    44
I've had the 2.0 pd 140 Octavia, and now have the new shape 1.9 pd. I don't like the new one at all, it's way to noisy and the mpg really is significantly worse than the 140bhp I'm quite annoyed with myself for changing. As someone said on page 1 the old shape superb 2.0 the oil pump goes around 80k we had 3 go all at the same time each needing an engine rebuild. They do, do a 1.6 tdi common rail which is quite quiet but obviously lacking a bit of power.
Maybe I've had skodas to long and fancy a change but I really wouldn't have another one. Well maybe a yeti.
Go for a honda.

Edit - my wife has a 58 fabia green line 1.4 tdi pd, the mpg is fantastic and it sound great too ;)
 
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Just to clarify, why has the A-class got to go? Sounds like you like it..... why not get another?
 
Killing the engine and gearbox? Don't be silly. You'll be using more fuel, that's it. You're not going to average 60mpg in any car going uphill. Put your A-Class in 5th gear at 40mph, put your foot down and watch the MPG gauge.

If it's labouring the engine, just change down. This isn't the 1950s, cars are pretty durable, petrol or diesel. Please remove yourself from this mindset.
I drove around southern Ireland for two weeks in a rental 1.3 Mitsubishi Colt. I had no problems. It's a very hilly country ;)

And those cars you listed are all, frankly, crap. The Leon is too heavy for a 1.2 and the Clio and Yaris are city cars, not designed for long journeys. A 1.8 petrol under less load than a 1.2 will drink less.

And you won't be able to predict bills in any cars. No amount of service history and whatnot is going to prevent something from breaking. So you just need to buy the best car for your needs that isn't a total lemon and you'll be fine.


The nicest 4 cylinder diesel I've driven was a 1.8TDCI Focus. The worst was a 1.6 TDI Golf Bluemotion.


Just to clarify, why has the A-class got to go? Sounds like you like it..... why not get another?
Or just... Keep it?
 
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To be fair, they are.


To be fair there not, I drive a leon 2.0TDi FR 170 on a 60plate. Who ever has sat with me as a passenger has not been able to tell whether its a deisel.

I was 1st ever shocked at the quietness on the accord 2.2Ctdi back in 2005, compared to the old 1.9 PD it was whisper quiet. The technology has definitley progressed upto now.

If you been in a modern new deisels now, eg the golf 1.6 Tdi 105 there extremely quite, and dont behave like deisels of say 3-4+ years ag
 
I drove around southern Ireland for two weeks in a rental 1.3 Mitsubishi Colt. I had no problems. It's a very hilly country ;)

Wife got one of these, 09 plate colt cz2, 60 mpg on motorway, drops significantly when running around the moors as you are constantly having to push the engine.
 
....I was 1st ever shocked at the quietness on the accord 2.2Ctdi back in 2005...

Went in a Civic 2.2 deisel the other day - couldn't believe how quiet it was. Not my kind of car in the looks department but you can't argue with how good that engine is.
 
The Honda 2.2 diesel is quiet and refined, but then its characteristics (and subsequently fuel economy..!) are more petrol-like than your average diesel.
 
The Honda 2.2 diesel is quiet and refined, but then its characteristics (and subsequently fuel economy..!) are more petrol-like than your average diesel.

My friend had one for 3 years, Im sure it averaged 45MPG+. I borrowed it to go london once (440) mile round trip and it averaged 57mpg. I think that is diesel like. Infact thats what I get out my my leon on a run. So not sure what you mean about fuel economy being like a petrol car.
 
, not chasing 70 mpg (which many diesels can't achieve bar the small 3 cyl diesels).

Well my 4 cyl diesel turbo did 105 mpg from Horwich, nr Bolton to Warwick this summer.

more likely to break .

Don't talk utter rubbish, give one, just one motoring expert or publication which say diesels are less reliable than petrol.
 
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Just to clarify, why has the A-class got to go? Sounds like you like it..... why not get another?

It's got to go. There are things I love about it, but servicing costs alone justify the chop. Then it is not big enough, I am slightly too tall for it - risk of head injury to the roof in case of head on collision, which will hopefully never happen, - and finally friends make fun of it. And to be honest, I CAN park a bigger car than that. Then I was told it is not powerful enough for what I do with it, so it sounds like I must.
 
Don't talk utter rubbish, give one, just one motoring expert or publication which say diesels are less reliable than petrol..

Sorry to blast your point into a fiery ball of nothingness.

http://www.parkers.co.uk/News/News/Used-diesel-cars-a-sensible-purchase/

So, in that instance you're saving almost £800 a year by running a diesel car - right? Well, if everything works flawlessly then yes, you could. There is a chance, however, that it won't.

That's because diesel cars be more prone to issues, and more expensive to repair, than the equivalent petrol models. This is due to their complicated high-pressure fuel pumps, injectors that need coding to match the car, expensive turbochargers and fault-prone emissions control systems such as particulate filters and exhaust gas recirculation systems.

The latest data from Autoprotect, a leading aftermarket warranty provider working in partnership with Parkers, showed that the average cost of repair for a turbocharger system was £377, an injection system fix £302, a new fuel pump £341 and exhaust system repairs £389.

That means that a few failures - not unlikely on a used diesel car with some miles on it - can eliminate any savings you've made through cheaper fuel bills.

Many diesel cars - such as Ford's Mondeo - also have dual mass flywheels. These are designed to reduce vibration and can cost up to £2,000 to replace, and the clutch will typically need to be done at the same time. All of a sudden, the efficient diesel has ended up costing you over £1,000 more to run for a year than the petrol.

You can replace many dual mass flywheels with a single mass flywheel that will not fail in the same way - although you may notice a slight increase in noise and vibration. Some petrol cars have dual-mass flywheels too, yet they're less prone to failure due to reduced levels of torque and vibration and consequently not a major concern.

So, if you're considering buying a used diesel car then tread carefully, do the sums and bear the aforementioned points in mind - especially if your annual mileage is low.

Do I get some sort of medal for proving that complex high pressure fuel systems are more prone to failure? I probably don't deserve one seeing as it was such an easy task.
 
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wow, quite a lot of nonsense being talked in this thread.. wonder if anyone is going to answer the original question?

Seeing as the OP is concerned about reliability would it not be relevant to discuss the potential reliability issues?
 
105mpg. Now I've heard it all.

Oh and the OP's question has been answered numerous times.
 
I have been driving cars for 45 years and have lost count of how many I have driven and owned. I have driven old 3 speed Ford Populars to a Ferrari 455. I even spent a day at Brands Hatch with Mark Webber driving Caterham 7's when he was only 19. Most of my life I have been in sales and have clocked up 30 to 40,000 miles a year in both petrol and diesels, so I think I have a bit of experience. Personally I prefer the deisels, they have proved more reliable for me. Diesels can be noisy outside on a cold morning, but inside they are as quiet as a petrol. I much prefer the power of a diesel and find them far more enjoyable and less tiring to drive than a petrol engine. they are without doubt far more economical on fuel, but dearer on servicing. My favourites have been two Alfa Romeo 156 2.4 JTD's. The first generation was a 150 BHP and the second was the 175 BHP. I never got less than an average 50 mpg and even managed 74 mpg on a trip from Bristol to Kent.
Both cars did 100,000 miles and never missed a beat. I now have an Alfa Giulietta 2.0 JTDM 140 BHP. I dont pay road tax because it is so efficient, servicing is every 21,000 miles, I get 50 mpg on B roads and 65 mpg on motorways. I can reach 62 in 9 seconds if I want to, why would I want a petrol engine?
 
Oh yes, the original question.
I wouldn't have any of your choices, I would buy an Alfa Romeo 156 2.4 JTD Sportswagon with the 175BHP engine. Thats from experience.
 
... why would I want a petrol engine?

Well, if I've read this thread right, the OP covers 10,000 miles a year odd, but wants a car that's reliable and, most of all, has a budget of up to £4,000.

At that price, you're far more likely to find a well looked after petrol powered car.

Then again, like nearly everyone else in this thread, daugirdas really wants an underground airship - the impossible!!

I don't know how uneconomical his 1.2 Clio was, but I'm commuting around London in my 17 year old daughter's 1.2 Clio until she passes her driving test and it's giving me 42-44mpg which strikes me as acceptible for any car.
 
I don't know how uneconomical his 1.2 Clio was, but I'm commuting around London in my 17 year old daughter's 1.2 Clio until she passes her driving test and it's giving me 42-44mpg which strikes me as acceptible for any car.

About 20! It would have been 35 if it was flat city like London, but Bristol is not Birmingham or London, and SW has really dreadful roads apart from M5. Please check out Old Bristol Road from Bristol to Wells for taster experience.
And Yaris consumed 100EU in a week in Crete (comparable to SW roads :lol:) while I was attending a week long conference! I reckon I did less than 500km so ~35mpg at 1.86EU/L
 
About 20! It would have been 35 if it was flat city like London, but Bristol is not Birmingham or London, and SW has really dreadful roads apart from M5. Please check out Old Bristol Road from Bristol to Wells for taster experience.

Once upon a time, I was a student in Clifton so I know the Bristol roads. ;)

FWIW, my commute through Highgate Village or across Hampstead Heath includes the equivalent of driving up Jacob's Wells Road and up Constitution Hill! :D
 
I'd say (and voted) for the Octavia 1.9 105 as I think it best suits your requirements. I wouldn't bother tuning it either. Plenty of power for hills with common sense e.g. trying 5th gear at 20mph on a 1in5 is not the cars fault it wont turn out well. You might not win as many traffic light GPs compared to the 140 but do you really need to compared to the better fuel consumption. I see from the voting I'm in the minority though- always a good sign- wouldn't want to be accused of selling out:lol:
 
Well, if I've read this thread right, the OP covers 10,000 miles a year odd, but wants a car that's reliable and, most of all, has a budget of up to £4,000.

At that price, you're far more likely to find a well looked after petrol powered car.

my ibiza was 3.5 with a full history, cambelt change blah blah, i was also looking at VW passat estates previous and they were coming in at under 4k.
 
Well, if I've read this thread right, the OP covers 10,000 miles a year odd, but wants a car that's reliable and, most of all, has a budget of up to £4,000.

At that price, you're far more likely to find a well looked after petrol powered car.

Then again, like nearly everyone else in this thread, daugirdas really wants an underground airship - the impossible!!

I don't know how uneconomical his 1.2 Clio was, but I'm commuting around London in my 17 year old daughter's 1.2 Clio until she passes her driving test and it's giving me 42-44mpg which strikes me as acceptible for any car.

I'd say (and voted) for the Octavia 1.9 105 as I think it best suits your requirements. I wouldn't bother tuning it either. Plenty of power for hills with common sense e.g. trying 5th gear at 20mph on a 1in5 is not the cars fault it wont turn out well. You might not win as many traffic light GPs compared to the 140 but do you really need to compared to the better fuel consumption. I see from the voting I'm in the minority though- always a good sign- wouldn't want to be accused of selling out:lol:

Get out of here with your common sense and reasoning :eek:

;)


I think we need some perspective in this thread. Let me sum things up in 11 easy-to-understand points:

1) From your list, the Superb is the best car. Fact.
2) Diesels were designed as economical engines, nothing more. The OP wants something reliable and economical.
3) The 1.9TDI engine is the best pick in this regard.
4) Tuning them, for his requirements, is absolutely folly.
5) They ARE noisier and less refined than the equivalent petrol engines.
6) Yes, you can always tell you are driving a diesel, unless you are deaf and/or blind. An appropriate analogy would be to state that you can't tell the difference between ISO100 and ISO3200.
7) No, you won't get 105MPG unless you drive a 3 cylinder Smart ForTwo CDI and never exceed 55mph.
8) If you can't drive a petrol-engined car in a hilly environment, you need driving lessons.
9) For £4,000, an Alfa Romeo 156 is absolutely not the best choice to make. And before you say it, yes, your car may have been reliable, but are you familiar with the concept of statistics?
10) If you listen to, and subsequently follow someone's misguided advice that 90bhp in a small car like an A-Class is somehow "inadequate" or unsafe, then the car isn't the issue.
11) The OP has UP TO £4,000 spend. This is cheap car money. He clearly wants something hassle-free.


OP, you sound like someone who couldn't care less about running cars and wants absolutely the least amount of fuss. Hassle-free motoring. Cars with complex mechanics (i.e. modern turbocharged engines and high pressure this, that and t'other) are great when you can hand them back to the dealer or lease company, say "fix this under warranty please" and drive off in a hire car. Otherwise, you need to a) be doing lots of miles in order to offset the increased running costs or b) be an enthusiast who appreciates that running cars as a hobby is expensive.

Buy a petrol Focus. It's the best choice for this scenario. Fact.
 
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I drive a Ford Mondeo ST220, with a 230bhp 3 litre V6 engine and on a long journey I'll average about 35-37mpg. That's driving at 70mph, none of this 55mph drafting behind lorries nonsense. Ergo, a 2L Mondeo or even 1.6/1.8 Focus will do you nicely. Cars have gearboxes, if you're struggling up a hill in 5th, just change into 4th. The torque of the average diesel engine is negated by the longer gear ratios in the gearbox, so most of the torque isn't transmitted to the wheels.

I drive what you would probably see as your cars "poor relation", a 153bhp Mondeo ST TDCi. Even in standard form, it's no slouch, no waiting for the turbo to work, it isn't noisy if looked after(even on idle), using a good fuel which keeps the injectors clean and it's economical, I used to get 57-59mpg average over a tank of fuel. By way of a few modifications, intercooler, exhaust, decat and remap, it now has 190bhp and an extra 60lb/ft of torque. Engine is alot more responsive, alot more relaxed to drive, acceleration on the motorway needs hardly any pressure on the pedal around town and especially on motorways even in 6th and it still gets 57-59 mpg average. If I sat all day on motorways at 70mph, I'd expect to see more, but as it is my drivin gis a combination of motorway, A and B roads, fortunately I seldom get stuck in slow moving or sto/start town traffic. Car is now noisier, but that is down to the exhaust, not diesel rattle. (The only rattle I currently have is a heat shield that has dropped down onto the exhaust).

To the OP, I wouldn't even bother with a car for 4 mile journeys, petrol or diesel, if my journeys were that short (even if just four journesy a week), I'd deliberately put in a few more miles just to make sure the engine gets properly warmed up, especially in winter months.
 
OK, 2004+ petrol cars aren't any cheaper on autotrader at the moment, maybe £100 if any. LPG conversion would cost a hefty sum, wouldn't it? It would be great, but I doubt I could justify that for 7-year old car I am going to keep 2-3 years max.

Also look at TAXI cars. Apart from TX models, most are running diesel VAG and Toyota's. I doubt it's because they love changing turbos every day. That's basically the cars I am considering to buy, hopefully not from a taxi driver.

I don't care about noise from diesel. Unimportant, doesn't matter. And believe me I know my A-class inside out, and I know exactly what it is lacking, and why it is not safe for a TALL guy like me. It is too small, and is made like a toy, like all mercs from that era.
 
I drive what you would probably see as your cars "poor relation", a 153bhp Mondeo ST TDCi. Even in standard form, it's no slouch, no waiting for the turbo to work, it isn't noisy if looked after(even on idle), using a good fuel which keeps the injectors clean and it's economical, I used to get 57-59mpg average over a tank of fuel. By way of a few modifications, intercooler, exhaust, decat and remap, it now has 190bhp and an extra 60lb/ft of torque. Engine is alot more responsive, alot more relaxed to drive, acceleration on the motorway needs hardly any pressure on the pedal around town and especially on motorways even in 6th and it still gets 57-59 mpg average. If I sat all day on motorways at 70mph, I'd expect to see more, but as it is my drivin gis a combination of motorway, A and B roads, fortunately I seldom get stuck in slow moving or sto/start town traffic. Car is now noisier, but that is down to the exhaust, not diesel rattle. (The only rattle I currently have is a heat shield that has dropped down onto the exhaust).

To the OP, I wouldn't even bother with a car for 4 mile journeys, petrol or diesel, if my journeys were that short (even if just four journesy a week), I'd deliberately put in a few more miles just to make sure the engine gets properly warmed up, especially in winter months.

but but but.. its a diesel. so your opinion doesnt count it seems. ;)
 
but but but.. its a diesel. so your opinion doesnt count it seems. ;)

As I told an ST220 owner on another forum, the only reason I allowed one to overtake me once was so he could take a good long look at the better car. To say that caused a bit of a row would be an understatement.:lol:
 
As I told an ST220 owner on another forum, the only reason I allowed one to overtake me once was so he could take a good long look at the better car. To say that caused a bit of a row would be an understatement.:lol:

You seemed like a rational kind of person in your previous post, but now that you've posted this, I can see you're just another typical deluded diesel owner who thinks his car is a rocketship, trying to convince himself he didn't just buy it because he can't afford something better.

I suppose you think the BMW 330D M Sports are 'as fast as the M3 in real life usage init m8' too.
 
Hcanning - chill it down my man.... seems you're getting a bit wound up. Take note of the emoticons people apply to their posts and just take things with a pinch of salt. This is not life or death stuff.... :thumbs:
 
you know what, there is some very useful information in this thread, and a right load of old tosh - though whether the tosh is fueled by petrol or diesel seems to be up for debate.

So, please get back to the original point, instead of baiting each other, or this thread will find itself with a road closed sign.

Thankyou




Oh and Daugirdas - London isn't flat, not the bits of it most people actually live in, away from the immediate river vicinity ;)
 
Also look at TAXI cars. Apart from TX models, most are running diesel VAG and Toyota's. I doubt it's because they love changing turbos every day. That's basically the cars I am considering to buy, hopefully not from a taxi driver.


I used to look at taxis a barometer for what was rugged and tough - thing in Rugby is they've all started buying all sorts of cars so I totally lost the plot. Avensis and Focus seem to be the most popular, although there are a few Tourans, Passats, Octavia and S60s..... one even has a V6 X-type AWD!!!!! :lol:
 
Hcanning - chill it down my man.... seems you're getting a bit wound up. Take note of the emoticons people apply to their posts and just take things with a pinch of salt. This is not life or death stuff.... :thumbs:

I'm perfectly chilled as I sit here at my desk sipping a delicious cup of Barry's Tea while typing this :)


Does no one want to read my posts where I'm actually trying to help the OP? :(
 
You seemed like a rational kind of person in your previous post, but now that you've posted this, I can see you're just another typical deluded diesel owner who thinks his car is a rocketship, trying to convince himself he didn't just buy it because he can't afford something better.
No I don't think the car is a rocket ship, but then 0-60 is probably only marginally slower than yours and it's no slouch for the size of car. As for affording something else, yes I could but for the usage I get from a car 90% of the time and lack of secure parking getting a Focus RS just wasn't worth it.
 
105mpg. Now I've heard it all.

Oh and the OP's question has been answered numerous times.

You calling me a liar, were your there, have you driven my car , do you know how I drive NO, so shut the **** up until you have a clue what your taking about.



That Parkers crap said £389 for an exhaust, I'll try and find my invoice and scan it, £84 inc Vat for my new exhaust repair (back box, full system is £160).


There are some Clarkson clones in here taking ****ing rubbish.
 
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You calling me a liar, were your there, have you driven my car , do you know how I drive NO, so shut the **** up until you have a clue what your taking about.



That Parkers crap said £389 for an exhaust, I'll try and find my invoice and scan it, £84 inc Vat for my new exhaust repair (back box, full system is £160).


There are some Clarkson clones in here taking ****ing rubbish.

What car do you drive?
 
You seemed like a rational kind of person in your previous post, but now that you've posted this, I can see you're just another typical deluded diesel owner who thinks his car is a rocketship, trying to convince himself he didn't just buy it because he can't afford something better.
Le Mans need I say more :lol:
 
Cars only as safe as the driver.

There are cases, when it is all in the hands of another lunatic. There are drunkheads driving the wrong way on the motorway and all of that.

To really exaggerate it, consider a collision between a mini and a big Freelander. Who's more likely to get severe injuries?

Of course I drive sensibly, and have avoided many accidents by anticipating foul behaviour of other drivers. Some people are really provoking collisions for insurance payout, etc.
 
For £4,000, an Alfa Romeo 156 is absolutely not the best choice to make. And before you say it, yes, your car may have been reliable, but are you familiar with the concept of statistics?

Yes I am very familiar statistics which is why I gave a particular model, the Alfa Romeo 156 2.4 JTD with the 175BHP engine. There are a number of models and engines and gearboxes that have caused the Alfa to drop down in the reliability ratings which means you can pick up one of the better cars at a bargain price.
 
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