What Camera rig - Wildlife and Landscapes

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Hi Folks,

I'm looking to get into photography as my hobbies take me some amazing places and I encounter some wild life along the way too.

I'm looking for a digital SLR and I guess I might need a good zoom lens for the wildlife - my budget? Around £400

Complete noob at photography although have done some filming many moons ago so can generally familiarise myself with a complicated bit of hardware quite quickly.

Thanks in advance.
 
Are you willing to buy used?

While not impossible, your budget is fairly tight especially if you buy new.
 
OK, £400 budget, to cover landscapes and wildlife with a DSLR. Let's have a swing at it.

It's pointless recommending any specific brand at this stage. All the manufacturers make good equipment. You'll see more Canon and Nikon stuff around because they share 80% of the market, so that's a good place to start if you're buying used. But they handle quite differently. Some people think Canons are intuitive and Nikon are all wrong; some see it the other way round. If you can play with some equipment before buying, that might help. Alternatively, pick the brand which more of your friends / family / colleagues use as that way you'll have a bigger support network during your learning process.

Do some research into the model ranges so you know what's what. DPReview is a good web site for camera reviews and specifications. Don't be too worried about older models, because (a) there won't be any compatibility issues with say 5-year-old DSLRs; (b) if looked after well they should be good for far more use than your average user will subject them to; and (c) you can make good big prints with any DSLR over 6 megapixels. For example the entry-level Canon range started with the 300D in about 2005, and went through 350D, 400D, 450D, and so on roughly a year apart until the current 700D. You'll see the specs evolve incrementally over the years. If you see a used 450D and a used 550D for sale it would be useful to know what the differences are and how much they're worth to you. Don't agonise too much about the decision though, because if you get bitten by the bug you'll be on a never ending upgrade path and it doesn't matter exactly where you start.

Moving onto lenses: these make more of a difference than cameras, so don't spend too much of your budget on the camera. Most DSLRs are originally sold with a "kit" lens, typically around 18-55mm focal length, which is good for general purpose photography including landscapes. Kit lenses aren't the best quality obviously, but some are better than others (for example Canon's kit lens with image stabilization is better optically than the older non-stabilized one, as well as being more usegul) so read and ask so you know what's what.

A kit lens isn't much use for wildlife though. Typically you'll want a zoom which goes up to 250mm or 300mm. There is lots of choice here, and to an extent you get what you pay for. For example Canon make three 70-300mm zooms which cost (when new) roughly £100, £400 and £1000. The middle one is the best value and is much better than the cheapest. Unfortunately the cheaper telephoto zooms tend to perform worst at the longest focal length which is exactly where you want the performance! All the manufacturers, including independents like Sigma and Tamron, make 70-300mm lenses. In addition Canon and Nikon make lenses designed for small-sensor DSLRs (Canon EF-S, Nikon DX) which are around 55-250mm and these tend to punch above their weight.

Alternatively, you could go for a single do-everything lens like a Sigma 18-250mm or a Tamron 18-270mm. Obviously a lens like this is a massive compromise and doesn't have the quality of a lens with a smaller zoom range, but it can be very convenient when you're starting out and don't really know what you'll find most useful. All your photos will have the focal length recorded in the metadata so you can easily look back to see which focal lengths you actually use in practice, and therefore where it's worth investing in upgrades.

Hope that helps for starters. Don't forget to buy a spare memory card and a spare battery, and maybe a bag. Some people will say a tripod is essential but cheap tripods aren't worth having so hold your fire until you get some personal experience. You'll need some basic photo editing software if you don't have any already. Read, ask, practice, learn. Recognise the symptoms of Gear Acquisition Syndrome. And enjoy!
 
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I think for £400 I would go down the bridge camera route to start with.
 
StewartR's pretty much said it all. ^_^ I began with a Tamron 28-300mm f/3.5-6.3 VC - not really the best lens in the world, but, it absolutely did serve its purpose in giving me a good idea of what focal lengths I tended to find useful. And, I admit, it did let me capture some shots I remain very pleased with. As I usually found myself at one end or the other (landscapes and wildlife, the predominantly the latter), I later picked up a rather more "serious" 300mm f/4, which (of course) has since been joined by other lenses for other particular purposes - dramatic wide angles, weaker light, and shallow depth of focus particularly.

On the used Nikon front, it may also be worth paying attention to older "AF" lenses (as opposed to "AF-S", per Nikon terminology), which rely on a focus motor in the body; almost all recent lenses include their own. These older lenses can sometimes offer a good deal, though it's worth bearing in mind that newer entry-level Nikons (the D3x00 and D5x00 families) lack this internal focus motor.

I'd happily recommend a used D90, but at £200-250, that might be felt to be too much for the body, versus leaving enough for a lens or two. I suggest it as its low light performance remains competitive, and that's always a point with wildlife photography, especially as we enter the dull season.

Either way, I'd suggest keeping to the intended budget, and keeping the initial purchases minimal. Once you've had the setup for a while, you'll gain a much better idea of whether there are any shortcomings you'd particularly like to address, like better quality at particular focal lengths, or improved low light sensitivity. There's no hurry. ^_^
 
OK, I'm going to dive back in

Now first, I know the Canon range, and you really do need to have a play with both Canon and Nikon to decide here. But I'll forge on and give you my recommendation.

For the camera body in that price range you have a few choices. If you can find one at an appropriate price a 600D would be an excellent choice - although I expect you would be more likely to get the 550D which is still a nice little DSLR. Get a kit with the 18-55mm IS lens. Then add the 55-250mm IS (Mk II if possible). Now this will take you all the way to the top of of your budget but you will have a cracking starter kit. Memory cards can be had for a few quid in large enough sizes so all that remains is a bag.

That is how I would do it, but it depends how you find the feel of a Canon really.
 
OK, I'm going to dive back in

Now first, I know the Canon range, and you really do need to have a play with both Canon and Nikon to decide here. But I'll forge on and give you my recommendation.

For the camera body in that price range you have a few choices. If you can find one at an appropriate price a 600D would be an excellent choice - although I expect you would be more likely to get the 550D which is still a nice little DSLR. Get a kit with the 18-55mm IS lens. Then add the 55-250mm IS (Mk II if possible). Now this will take you all the way to the top of of your budget but you will have a cracking starter kit. Memory cards can be had for a few quid in large enough sizes so all that remains is a bag.

That is how I would do it, but it depends how you find the feel of a Canon really.

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Although you could save money by getting an older body like a 450D or 40D second hand, then spend the money saved on a tripod :thumbs:
 
Funny you should say that Pete, I was perusing the classifieds yesterday and saw a 40D for just £185
I thought of this thread right then, but couldn't find it! I was always impressed with the image quality from my 40D, great if you can keep the ISO down!
 
wouldnt have mattered as the OP doesnt have clssifieds acess anyway ;)
 
I have always purchased used from Amazon and have never been disappointed. I will buy from someone with thousands of feedbacks, not hundreds, and with 90% or better remarks. I can usually find my price range. Start with what you can afford and then move up while looking for someone to buy your old equipment. This makes a new lens really reasonable. I just traded up on DSLR's from a Nikon D5100 to a D7000 and the difference was $200.00
 
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