what an eventful eve......

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I arrived at my new pupils place for his lesson (8-10pm). When i knock on the front door he answers and explains that hes got his own vauxhall astra that he wants to learn in, so begrudgingly i agree and check over the motor. He had a months insurance, and so the story started he'd had some lessons with his uncle who had booked his test as the uncle thought he was test ready.

After geting the L plates and mirrors out of my own car (couldnt understand how he didnt have any) things quickly started to not add up. Driving was harrendous, I was frequently grabbing the wheel to miss things and we ended up out in the middle of a busy junction which he failed to stop for (i pulled the handbrake and swore a couple of times- as had asked to stop about 4 times prior all of which were ignored)

So 15 mins into the lesson i find myself in the safety and comfort of my dual controlled motor and the lesson starts a bit smoother.... After a bit of Q&A it now appears that the uncle doesnt have a licence and has illegally been supervising him. The car gets stopped. I give the pupil a fulll on huge lecture about what i thought of him driving illegally and in very blunt terms told him if i found him driving illegally i'd refuse to teach him and i'd make sure he gets penalised for the actions..... (im an ex traffic officer and really despise with a passion his actions and pure disregard- and occasionally return to help out in the hampshire county when there short of manpower!!!)

He eventually opened up and explained his uncle was made up and he was on his own so i said the same terms apply.... break the law- expect to be punished!


The lesson continued and at 10pm we arrived back at his place. He jumped out my car and went and sat in his own motor, so i just pretended to be doing paperwork in mine for about 5 mins....... He started the motor up then realised i was still there, then turned the motor off leaving the lights on. He then jumps out and removes the L plates and goes in doors (car still be outside with lights on- it was obvious he was going to return to it)


I drove off and parked round the corner (as i would have done in a marked/unmarked motor) and within about a minute clear as day he drove past me... no L plates, no licence, a complete inability to drive it, unaccompanied).

I followed him to the local petrol garage where i parked up next to him and really made my feelings clear. After a mega rant at him i get a tap on the shoulder and asked to calm down- by a policeman.... (who ever said there never around when you need them)

So the pupil ends up having a ride in a nice motor with flashing lights, his car was flatbedded off to a compound, and 9 lovely souvenirs will be added to this persons licence.


After two hours of me having a go (the ex got fed up with 20 secs lol) he still deliberately went out his way to do it!!


Hes not the only by any stretch of the imagination....


WHY THE HELL DO THEY DO IT????
 
Firstly Terry, nice one :thumbs: personally I think it's because punishments are too lenient these days. 9 points? so what? he was willing to drive with no license, etc, think 9 points on a bit of paper will make a difference or stop him from doing it again?

Just like those that drive without insurance....half the time, the fine is less than a years insurance premium!
 
Top marks for letting your feelings be known and also for sticking around and removing him from the streets (so to speak) at the end of the day its people like him that make insurance high for everyone and especially younger drivers (myself included) he shouldnt be allowed a license. Agreed too the punishments are nowhere near harsh enough when he could kill people by not being competent and or qualified. I got 6 points when I was 18 for delivering curries without business insurance on my policy (yes you read that right) and it annoyed me no end, but at the end of the day the laws the law and we have to learn!
 
if everyone was aware that £90 of your car insurance premium is due to uninsured people alot more people would take note...... 9 points and probably a £180 fine will probably be the worst he'l get sadly.... his parents will prob pay to get car out of pound (he got a months insurance purely to obtain a tax disc to 'fit it' better and not flag up on the anpr cameras..

I have just finished sending the local driving test centres in the area a warning note re the pupil- which will go on file...... and also the dsa hq. that'l mean when he does eventually present himself at a test centre at a prebooked time, vosa will be waiting for him. They check roadworthiness of the vehicle with a tooth comb, video him arriving and leaving (in case of solo driving) and more importantly refuse to allow the examiner in the motor that he presents himself in due to no insurance. A second examiner will also be present in a supervisory capacity, incase the pupil arrives in a 'school car' . If theres any improper actions the test wont go ahead and he'l loose his fee
 
good for you.....

well done... little scrote.

what i find really annoying and there was a case on here the other day.... The KFC in Corby incident...

The idiot rightfully gets banged up for 7 years, but also gets banned for driving for 6 of those 7 years... because there are loads of opportunities to drive on "A" wing
 
Got what he deserved by the sounds of it. Glad you made your point shame he didn't listen. People like him clearly don't give a **** about their actions and how it could possibly ruin some innocent persons life.
 
Good for you fella!! I used to work for Surrey Police and looked after the cars that were picked up by the police. There is a pattern to why these people do it, I can't say on a public forum but it's all to do with breeding!
 
its really not a deterant its so expensive to drive that its cheaper to do it illegally
 
Good for you fella!! I used to work for Surrey Police and looked after the cars that were picked up by the police. There is a pattern to why these people do it, I can't say on a public forum but it's all to do with breeding!

My mates son passed his test about 6 months ago, I won't go into details, but he has had a few instances in his very short motoring life, all insured I might add. He has written off one car within three days of passing his test, not entirely his fault and his second car has now been taken away from him by his parents and crushed, but quite how he has managed to not get any points on his license is a miracle. I wouldn't say it was down to breeding more down to the people he mixes with when away from his home enviroment.
 
The most likely charges here would have been driving without insurance and otherwise than in accordance with a licence.
The maximum points for driving without insurance is 8 points (range 6 to 8 points) and for otherwise than in accordance with a licence is 6 points ( range 3 to 6 points ).
When a person is convicted of more than one offence he only gets points for the more serious offence the other simply being an additional endorsement but no more points.
I cannot see how this boy could have been given 9 points!
 
never mind the points/fine etc - I'm more concerned about him putting innocent lives in danger :(

even after they pass some people are too dangerous to be on the roads
 
well done exactly what i would have done , as others have said penalties are too soft nowadays.
 
Top marks to the OP for his actions

I thought i was doing the right thing at the time.....

BUT

Guess whos got a disciplinary meeting on weds am for shouting and arguing with customers- no wonder the country is soo screwed up!!
 
Related to this incident?

afraid so...... customers rang up to complain and no doubt has only given my boss half the story- il fill him in on the rest lol

Its just unecessary hassle for me.... means i've got to clear space in my diary so i end up losing money etc
 
Firstly Terry, nice one :thumbs: personally I think it's because punishments are too lenient these days. 9 points? so what? he was willing to drive with no license, etc, think 9 points on a bit of paper will make a difference or stop him from doing it again?

Just like those that drive without insurance....half the time, the fine is less than a years insurance premium!

Have to agree about the fine Paul and I would like to see the courts fine them what a years insurance would cost plus any additional costs.
 
My mates son passed his test about 6 months ago, I won't go into details, but he has had a few instances in his very short motoring life, all insured I might add. He has written off one car within three days of passing his test, not entirely his fault and his second car has now been taken away from him by his parents and crushed, but quite how he has managed to not get any points on his license is a miracle. I wouldn't say it was down to breeding more down to the people he mixes with when away from his home enviroment.

You are talking about something totally different. Your mates son sound just very unlucky, The people who do things like the ops orig thread do what their parents do and so it goes on and on. I have seen far too many crime reports and court files where the grand parents, parents and their kids constantly get into trouble.
 
You are talking about something totally different. Your mates son sound just very unlucky, The people who do things like the ops orig thread do what their parents do and so it goes on and on. I have seen far too many crime reports and court files where the grand parents, parents and their kids constantly get into trouble.

The only way my mate's son was unlucky was getting caught. Other than his first accident which wrote his car off, all his other brushes with the law were down to stupidity, not thinking and the people he calls mates. It's only because of his young age, still 17 that the judge couldn't really make the outcome more serious for him. Had he been 18, for his last offence, he'd have got a custodial sentence instead of a probationary sentence where he will have to report to someone once a week and go on some sort of course. My mate and his wife have just about given up on him. As I said, they scrapped his 2nd car rather than it be repaired or him keep it as it was and they have grounded him only, letting him out on his own during the day to try to find a job. He no longer gets to socialise with his so called mates.
 
The only way my mate's son was unlucky was getting caught. Other than his first accident which wrote his car off, all his other brushes with the law were down to stupidity, not thinking and the people he calls mates. It's only because of his young age, still 17 that the judge couldn't really make the outcome more serious for him. Had he been 18, for his last offence, he'd have got a custodial sentence instead of a probationary sentence where he will have to report to someone once a week and go on some sort of course. My mate and his wife have just about given up on him. As I said, they scrapped his 2nd car rather than it be repaired or him keep it as it was and they have grounded him only, letting him out on his own during the day to try to find a job. He no longer gets to socialise with his so called mates.
That's the primary difference between his family and this type of family
You are talking about something totally different. Your mates son sound just very unlucky, The people who do things like the ops orig thread do what their parents do and so it goes on and on. I have seen far too many crime reports and court files where the grand parents, parents and their kids constantly get into trouble.
It's the difference between responsible parenting and the type of families that habitually steal, live on benefits and avoid work - not that I'm suggesting that everybody who lives on benefits is lazy and/or dishonest.

I know a young man who, at 24, had never had a job, and none of his large extended family had ever worked either. We gave him a labouring job and it turned his life around - pretty well, but he had a lot of negativity from his family, who all thought he was mad to work.

He still has the attitude that his role in life is to create lots of children and let the taxpayers support them, but at least he is supporting himself now.
 
Im guessing that the pupil in the OP was under 21 (the majority would be) if so i dont see how he could have got just 1 months insurance? The temp cover companies require the policy holder to be 25+ so either he didnt have insurance or lied to them about his age.
 
Im guessing that the pupil in the OP was under 21 (the majority would be) if so i dont see how he could have got just 1 months insurance? The temp cover companies require the policy holder to be 25+ so either he didnt have insurance or lied to them about his age.

pupils date of birth 02/09/93 so definately under 21 (either 19/20 im useless at maths)..... he definately had an insurance form with his name on it and it was definately for 1 month only.... he even had a receipt for £140 attached aswell......

i can only assume that he hadnt notified the insurance company of the 'provisional element' of his licence so in effect he was paying for nothing... however the policy documents dont include either 'full licence holder' or 'provisional licence holder' in the details- which in my opinion is stupid really! the police will realise quickly when the person doesnt produce the pink licence!


i had the pleasure of some time off for my 'disciplinary meeting' today..... they had effectively sorted the situation in my favour beforehand (without telling me- would have saved a part day off and long road trip)....

i did however have to sit there and listen to the bloke moan about company image and reputation etc, and how my actions could have jeopardised this that and the other..... to be honest i was just happy they had previously told the pupil to take a running jump and put an end to all the grief, that for the most part i wasnt really listening much as he was acting like a complete 'beep beep' and full of himself anyway. He just wanted to look important lol


re points on his licence etc- i can presee what will happen..... he'l go down the post office and reapply for a provisional licence.... he'l state he lives at a different address (poss one of his relatives addresses) etc.... the dvla will send him a letter asking him to clarify if hes the same person that used to reside at the 'other' address, to which he'l write 'no' and the dvla will once again issue a provisional that is clean for use at test centres at to obtain insurance at a discounted premium!!

have seen this about 6-7 times previously (all of which got reported)- its just you never see any action being taken against the perpertrators sadly......
 
So pleased to hear that your employers were sensible about the matter and took no action against you - IMO, you saved them from even more possible bad press by avoiding the possibility of the little [self censored expletives] wrapping himself, your car and you around a lamppost, bus stop, queue of kids with their name emblazonned on the doors. Still a shame that you had to waste valuable working hours to get it sorted, despite the matter having been resolved in your favour beforehand.

Shame also that he knows how to work the system and so will be back on the road - I just thank the gods that I'm at least 2 hours' drive away (and have had to surrender my license due to medical matters, not any wrongdoing on my part (I hasten to add).

Like many (?most) drivers on here, I'm not 100% blameless in my driving record but my only 2 sets of points have come from speeding on motorcycles, one of which had no speedo (that was fun, explaining to the copper that as a 1925 original registration [well, the frame number is what counts - the rest of the frame was 1979 and the motor was 1978], it didn't need a speedo, horn or various other accessories!). Since I've only recently come back to 2 wheels and my current ride is a new Royal Enfield which simply can't exceed 70 and is so comfortable pootling at town speeds, I have avoided further conflict with limits!

Hope the little fickwut (mods, remove if offensive!) runs himself into a brick wall and Darwinises himself!

Nod.
 
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