What a total and utter bell-end!!!!

Never done it but I've almost.

I run a petrol people carrier and a diesel Discovery. For some reason my saving grace is the fuel flaps are on different sides of the vehicles. That helps me remember when I'm away with the fairies.
 
boyfalldown said:
You can't get a diesel nozzle in a petrol filler cap. But can get a petrol one in a diesel filler
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On older cars you can get either in. Ford's since 2007 can't be misfueled. I'd have though most makes if not all cars are now the same.
 
There's a lot to be said for labelled filler caps like hire cars have.
 
Gremlin said:
I drive diesel for work and petrol for pleasure, so far I haven't filled either with the wrong fuel,
but I was under the impression that one of the nozzles didn't fit the wrong filler unless that has changed
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I had to re-read that...if you had said you need diesel for pleasure I would question your sanity
 
There is 'diesel' off road pleasure
 
Byker28i said:
I don't understand this - I have both types.

Diesel nozzle is Black, Unleaded is Green. There's a big sticker inside the petrol flaps saying UNLEADED or DIESEL

Sorry if you can't think enough whilst you fill up your tank, then should you really be driving if you can be so easily distracted?
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Not always the case, I only use the premium fuels, diesel or petrol depending on the engine of course. Few years back I had a diesel and went to fill up with BP Ultimate diesel, Nozzle was green at the time. Also they'd much rather put a large advert for American Express on the handle rather than let you know what fuel you are putting in. Result was £85 of BP Ultimate petrol in the tank. Drove home and next morning car wouldn't start. Realised what had happened, cost £140 to have tank drained and then £85 to refill with diesel. About 3 weeks later when going back to same garage for a refill, nozzles were still green but AMEX advert was a lot smaller and a nice big diesel or unleaded sign. I wonder if they had had a series of complaints of cars being misfueled.
 
nilagin said:
Don't think so, fuel pumps usually rely on the diesel as a lubricant. £25 worth of petrol is a lot that could seriously dilute the diesel, causing the pump to wear and can also destroy seals in the fuel system. Putting diesel in a petrol will just mean it won't start or may smoke depending on how much.
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Could you not get away with this by putting some 2 stroke oil in. I usually put about 1/4 litre in my diesel every other tank. Just thought if you put a litre in it might get a bit smoky for a while but the 2 stroke would lubricate things till the petrols burnt iff.
 
Mr Bump said:
If I did this by accident I would just drive it away from the pump and call the AA I am sure on there recent blurb they offer the free service to members of draining the tank.
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And my doing so, you have potentially, let petrol into your engine. If this happens, do not start the car, then call the AA and get the tank drained before introducing petrol into the engine.
 
johnnypanic said:
And my doing so, you have potentially, let petrol into your engine. If this happens, do not start the car, then call the AA and get the tank drained before introducing petrol into the engine.
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I was on about driving it 20 yards to the side of the petrol station as I think the petrol station owner might be a bit annoyed blocking the pump for the 3 hours the AA will take.
There would be more than enough in the engine system to make a blind bit of difference.
 
Been there done that though in my case it was about a litre of unleaded before I realised my cock up and I brimmed the tank then with diesel...that was four years ago and the car is still running fine
 
Nod said:
Or, [sensible?] put RFID chips in every filler hole and corresponding doohickeys in the pump nozzles so it is impossible to misfuel. [/sensible?].
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And on the older vehicles, or motorbikes? Why punish others for the stupidity of some?
 
Byker28i said:
And on the older vehicles, or motorbikes? Why punish others for the stupidity of some?
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Punish?! eh? If the doohickey in the pump doesnt detect one in the filler cap it lets the fuel out anyway. Simples.
 
DorsetDude said:
Punish?! eh? If the doohickey in the pump doesnt detect one in the filler cap it lets the fuel out anyway. Simples.
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Nod said:
Or, [sensible?] put RFID chips in every filler hole and corresponding doohickeys in the pump nozzles so it is impossible to misfuel. [/sensible?].

Therefore you'd need something to enable the device after detecting you have the correct fuel. If it just let fuel out anyway, would it be much use in protecting against the foolishness of others? I mean it's not rocket science, two types of fuel at most pumps, with at most two options, the cheap or expensive version.

It's coming from the wrong direction. How simple do you want to make things?
I repeat - if you can't pay attention whilst fueling, what else do you not pay attention to when driving? (Hint: It's a trick question with the number of people I see on their phones, texting, fiddling with all sorts of things inside the vehicle).
Hence the stupidity tax of paying to lose the fuel and someone to drain and refil the tank and the time lost.
 
It would make more sense to have the RFID chip in the nozzle only do a quick check against the RFID chip in the pump and;
Fuel Match = green light and dispense fuel
Fuel mismatch = Red light, no dispense
No chip detected = orange light, dispense.

Drivers of older vehicles would always get orange light and have to be sure. Eventually, if it caught on, all vehicles would have the chips and it would be impossible to misfuel.

However, this seems overkill for a problem that I assume isn't that common, and since it isn't a safety issue (where even remote risks are dealt with) I can't see any appetite from vehicle manufacturers or petrol stations to incur the costs of agreeing a standard and rolling it out across their portfolio (which would take a while).
 
Byker28i said:
And on the older vehicles, or motorbikes? Why punish others for the stupidity of some?
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VERY few Diesel motorbikes and an RFID chip is tiny and cheap. As Andy says, a traffic light type system could be an answer, possibly with a confirm button should there be no chip detected.
 
One distinction that isn't being made is what kind of Diesel engine it is. There is a huge difference between the modern highly tuned common rail high pressure engines versus the old stuff where it almost didn't matter what you put in the tank.

Considering how many on here "love" their simple old vehicles it is easy to be both right and yet talk about totally difference effects.
 
DorsetDude said:
You'd think petrol would be round nozzles and diesel square or something wouldnt you , so simple and no more errors. (once the car manufacturers match the filler caps up)
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Llamaman said:
It would make more sense to have the RFID chip in the nozzle only do a quick check against the RFID chip in the pump and;
Fuel Match = green light and dispense fuel
Fuel mismatch = Red light, no dispense
No chip detected = orange light, dispense.

Drivers of older vehicles would always get orange light and have to be sure. Eventually, if it caught on, all vehicles would have the chips and it would be impossible to misfuel.

However, this seems overkill for a problem that I assume isn't that common, and since it isn't a safety issue (where even remote risks are dealt with) I can't see any appetite from vehicle manufacturers or petrol stations to incur the costs of agreeing a standard and rolling it out across their portfolio (which would take a while).
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As I said, Andy suggested the traffic lights!
 
So according the the aa, around 150000 people put the wrong fuel in their vehicles very year.
Unbeliveable there's so many people.

Is this because we're dumbing down vehicles more and more, creating an environment that people don't have to think? Lights and wipers automatically turn on, reliable cars that no one checks and just gets in and drives, usually not even bothering to check where they are going? After all the sat nav will tell them where to go.

You don't have to think about driving, why think when fill up, after all, someone will create a traffic light system to make up for up.

Personally, I'd prefer people to pay attention at all times when in charge of a vehicle.
 
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Byker28i said:
So according the the aa, around 150000 people put the wrong fuel in their vehicles very year.
Unbeliveable there's so many people.

Is this because we're dumbing down vehicles more and more, creating an environment that people don't have to think? Lights and wipers automatically turn on, reliable cars that no one checks and just gets in and drives, usually not even bothering to check where they are going? After all the sat nav will tell them where to go.

You don't have to think about driving, why think when fill up, after all, someone will create a traffic light system to make up for up.

Personally, I'd prefer people to pay attention at all times when in charge of a vehicle.
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I think you are being overly harsh in an unreasonable way. It would be interesting to see how many of those incidents are second or third time incidents.

I did it once, but when filling up I wasn't in charge of a vehicle that was on the move. It was an accident that could have been prevented but at the same time like any other accident can easily happen.
 
I say bring back petrol pump (& diesel) attendant's! Let's start a bacefook campaign.

Jobs for the unemployed or students & for those that say it'll slow down the time in a filling station, no it won't. How often do you get stuck in the bloody queue's? mainly because some old fart can't decide which pump to use, or someone has incorrectly re fuelled, or someone blocking everyone in is buying a weeks shopping.............& there soddin credit/debit card keeps being declined!!!!!! :mad:
 
OldCarlos said:
I say bring back petrol pump (& diesel) attendant's! Let's start a bacefook campaign.

Jobs for the unemployed or students & for those that say it'll slow down the time in a filling station, no it won't. How often do you get stuck in the bloody queue's? mainly because some old fart can't decide which pump to use, or someone has incorrectly re fuelled, or someone blocking everyone in is buying a weeks shopping.............& there soddin credit/debit card keeps being declined!!!!!! :mad:
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We still have pump attendants in SA. Sit in the car while they deal with fuel, check tyre pressures, oil and clean the windows; then they bring the wireless card gadget for you to pay. Most petrol stations are open 365/24/7 too in larger towns and cities. Works well.
 
dejongj said:
I think you are being overly harsh in an unreasonable way. It would be interesting to see how many of those incidents are second or third time incidents.

I did it once, but when filling up I wasn't in charge of a vehicle that was on the move. It was an accident that could have been prevented but at the same time like any other accident can easily happen.
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At the same time whilst refuelling you're in charge of a volatile fluid used to power your car. As such you have to pay attention. For your 'accident' or inattention, worse case scenario is a fire, best case scenario is you spill fuel. Diesel spillage at a pump often goes unreported, quite difficult and annoying for the motorcyclist who follows as even the smallest amount is a slip hazard.

Is it right then that it's seen as acceptable that someone stops thinking at this point. If you're not thinking at the point of filling up, I'd have to question whether you've been truly paying attention on the way to the petrol station.

Thing is, no-one would ever admit that. Everyone's a fantastic driver, when in reality they aren't all the time. Modern cars are now so comfy, quiet, well equipped and safe that it seems to be acceptable for people to drive without thinking, then call it an accident when things happen.
 
Byker28i said:
At the same time whilst refuelling you're in charge of a volatile fluid used to power your car. As such you have to pay attention. For your 'accident' or inattention, worse case scenario is a fire, best case scenario is you spill fuel. Diesel spillage at a pump often goes unreported, quite difficult and annoying for the motorcyclist who follows as even the smallest amount is a slip hazard.

Is it right then that it's seen as acceptable that someone stops thinking at this point. If you're not thinking at the point of filling up, I'd have to question whether you've been truly paying attention on the way to the petrol station.

Thing is, no-one would ever admit that. Everyone's a fantastic driver, when in reality they aren't all the time. Modern cars are now so comfy, quiet, well equipped and safe that it seems to be acceptable for people to drive without thinking, then call it an accident when things happen.
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Apart form the split second when the new fangled pump decides to let the fuel flow or not, the same amount of attention will be needed as ever throughout the process. Really don't see what your problem is.
 
Byker28i said:
So according the the aa, around 150000 people put the wrong fuel in their vehicles very year.
Unbeliveable there's so many people.

Is this because we're dumbing down vehicles more and more, creating an environment that people don't have to think? Lights and wipers automatically turn on, reliable cars that no one checks and just gets in and drives, usually not even bothering to check where they are going? After all the sat nav will tell them where to go.

You don't have to think about driving, why think when fill up, after all, someone will create a traffic light system to make up for up.

Personally, I'd prefer people to pay attention at all times when in charge of a vehicle.
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One day you will make a mistake......

.......be sure to tell us when you pick up the wrong nozzle:rolleyes:
 
Llamaman said:
It would make more sense to have the RFID chip in the nozzle only do a quick check against the RFID chip in the pump and;
Fuel Match = green light and dispense fuel
Fuel mismatch = Red light, no dispense
No chip detected = orange light, dispense.

Drivers of older vehicles would always get orange light and have to be sure. Eventually, if it caught on, all vehicles would have the chips and it would be impossible to misfuel.

However, this seems overkill for a problem that I assume isn't that common, and since it isn't a safety issue (where even remote risks are dealt with) I can't see any appetite from vehicle manufacturers or petrol stations to incur the costs of agreeing a standard and rolling it out across their portfolio (which would take a while).
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You can buy an adaptor that fits over the cars fuel filler spout. You need to insert the correct nozzle to open the adaptor.
 
Mikesphotaes said:
One day you will make a mistake......

.......be sure to tell us when you pick up the wrong nozzle:rolleyes:
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I make lots everyday - have yet to pick the wrong nozzle over 37 years of motoring, and I had 3 blends of petrol and diesel to chose from;)
However, having seen the stats for 150,000 people every year make the same mistake, it was a valid attempt to try to rationalise why, but in reality it's probably for many of the same reasons other accidents happen, people switch off. Modern car design probably contributes to this.
 
Byker28i said:
I make lots everyday - have yet to pick the wrong nozzle over 37 years of motoring, and I had 3 blends of petrol and diesel to chose from;)
However, having seen the stats for 150,000 people every year make the same mistake, it was a valid attempt to try to rationalise why, but in reality it's probably for many of the same reasons other accidents happen, people switch off. Modern car design probably contributes to this.
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My modern car design prevents mis-fuelling, I still make sure I grab the right nozzle though. The fact my car has auto lights, auto wipers and cruise control just means I can pay more attention to where I'm going and what other motorists are doing or about to do.
 
Byker28i said:
I make lots everyday - have yet to pick the wrong nozzle over 37 years of motoring, and I had 3 blends of petrol and diesel to chose from;)
However, having seen the stats for 150,000 people every year make the same mistake, it was a valid attempt to try to rationalise why, but in reality it's probably for many of the same reasons other accidents happen, people switch off. Modern car design probably contributes to this.
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Maybe you make mistakes in other areas and others in other areas, just because you are perfect in one area don't see why we can't improve life for the other little people :-)
 
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Byker28i said:
I make lots everyday - have yet to pick the wrong nozzle over 37 years of motoring, and I had 3 blends of petrol and diesel to chose from;)
However, having seen the stats for 150,000 people every year make the same mistake, it was a valid attempt to try to rationalise why, but in reality it's probably for many of the same reasons other accidents happen, people switch off. Modern car design probably contributes to this.
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Give it time!:p

I have had a diesel for a couple of years, after all petrol vehicles, but I still have to make a conscious effort.

That led to a very close shave in the States when I picked up the green nozzle for my petrol-hire car, only to realise it was the diesel nozzle!
 
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Llamaman said:
Refuelling your car is like making love to a beautiful woman. Check the nozzle is compatible with the hole before you commence pumping.
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DorsetDude said:
First you've got to check you've got enough money, open the flap and then fill her up. Make sure to wipe up any spillage after.
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Ha, ha, ha

The thread is very interesting and I was reading everyone's contributions with great attention... and then I got to these ones and they made me smile.

So thank you both.

(Oh, and by the way, I have never made that mistake but I tend to double check when at the petrol station as I fear I might maje that mistake that at some point)
 
Forget the colour of the nozzle.
What happened to reading?
 
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welshwizard645 said:
I had to re-read that...if you had said you need diesel for pleasure I would question your sanity
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Trust me I would never drive the works diesel vehicle for pleasure, noisy rattly thing ;)
 
viv1969 said:
What happened to reading?
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Reeding iznt kool iz it bruv? 2 mch sick telly on.



As you can tell, I am - to quote the rapping dog - "as gangsta as an easter bonnet hat".
 
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