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I would like to think that I am a decent bloke....even more so when driving as every trip we take there is that possibility of injury or death....but what totally f***ed me off today was an encounter with some HGV drivers on the M25 anti clockwise.... Imagine the scene traveling centre lane and the variable speed limit is changed from national to 50mph..incident ahead...therefore I reduce my speed to fifty.....unlike the f*** in the HGV that changes from nearside lane to behind Mr and blasts his horn because I am doing fifty as requested by law....next thing I know I have a lorry nearside blasting it's horn and suddenly another on the acceleration lane (totally illegal) pulling along side with full horns....all because I am doing the requested speed limit....total f*****g t***s...I felt the need to go to forty but even I am not that pretty......dashcams ordered so I can get the reg in future...rant over:mad:
 
archangel said:
Imagine the scene traveling centre lane and the variable speed limit is changed from national to 50mph.
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I think we may have been in the same traffic queue, ;) you are aware of the stealth camera's between J27 - J23 ( both sides) I take it?
Although they are mounted to the side of the large single variable speed limit signs, they are active even when the signs are blank.

I saw one guy on the opposite carriageway, going clockwise get "flashed" and it didn't look as though he was going particularly fast either.
The guy that was catching him up at a rate of knots was in for a surprise though ;)
 
Cobra said:
I think we may have been in the same traffic queue, ;) you are aware of the stealth camera's between J27 - J23 ( both sides) I take it?
Although they are mounted to the side of the large single variable speed limit signs, they are active even when the signs are blank.

I saw one guy on the opposite carriageway, going clockwise get "flashed" and it didn't look as though he was going particularly fast either.
The guy that was catching him up at a rate of knots was in for a surprise though ;)
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Actually didn't know about them :(
 
archangel said:
Actually didn't know about them :(
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It seems a lot of people don't ;)
But you do now though :thumbs:

They are not on every stand alone sign, next time you are going that way, look for an arm sticking out the near side about half way up the sign.
 
archangel said:
I would like to think that I am a decent bloke....even more so when driving as every trip we take there is that possibility of injury or death....but what totally f***ed me off today was an encounter with some HGV drivers on the M25 anti clockwise.... Imagine the scene traveling centre lane and the variable speed limit is changed from national to 50mph..incident ahead...therefore I reduce my speed to fifty.....unlike the f*** in the HGV that changes from nearside lane to behind Mr and blasts his horn because I am doing fifty as requested by law....next thing I know I have a lorry nearside blasting it's horn and suddenly another on the acceleration lane (totally illegal) pulling along side with full horns....all because I am doing the requested speed limit....total f*****g t***s...I felt the need to go to forty but even I am not that pretty......dashcams ordered so I can get the reg in future...rant over:mad:
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The HGV driver was probably Phil from the cyclists thread :LOL:
 
archangel said:
Imagine the scene traveling centre lane and the variable speed limit is changed from national to 50mph..incident ahead...therefore I reduce my speed to fifty....
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Did you also pull into lane 1?
 
Cobra said:
It seems a lot of people don't ;)
But you do now though (y)

They are not on every stand alone sign, next time you are going that way, look for an arm sticking out the near side about half way up the sign.
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I've heard they are just plain grey, not yellow.
They are set to activate with the changing speed limits
 
kendo1 said:
I've heard they are just plain grey, not yellow.
They are set to activate with the changing speed limits
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They are, they do, as well as operating when no variable is set and they do seem to go off at ever so slightly over the 10% plus 2 when I have witnessed them. They also cover all 4 lanes at once and were introduced v quietly earlier this year at a cost of around £2.5 million apparently.
 
OldCarlos said:
Did you also pull into lane 1?
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I did not... without going into the nitty gritty, I have in the past been trained to drive in a professional manner, within private, commercial and in a professional capacity, as well as training others in a professional manner and traffic advice and law clearly states that when a change in traffic due too an incident you should adhere to the advice given and continue on your current course until advised accordingly...at no time was I advised to return to lane 1...but then again I would not have been able to due to the t***s that had boxed me in:cool:
 
archangel said:
I did not... without going into the nitty gritty, I have in the past been trained to drive in a professional manner, within private, commercial and in a professional capacity, as well as training others in a professional manner and traffic advice and law clearly states that when a change in traffic due too an incident you should adhere to the advice given and continue on your current course until advised accordingly...at no time was I advised to return to lane 1...but then again I would not have been able to due to the t***s that had boxed me in:cool:
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If you were not overtaking you should have been in lane 1 to start with. You are effectively turning a motorway into a dual carriageway for all the other road users. The lorry drivers were in the wrong for driving aggressively, but you really should not be so stubborn and use the leftmost lane whenever possible!
 
Rapscallion said:
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If you were not overtaking you should have been in lane 1 to start with. You are effectively turning a motorway into a dual carriageway for all the other road users. The lorry drivers were in the wrong for driving aggressively, but you really should not be so stubborn and use the leftmost lane whenever possible!
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When in a restricted speed limit zone all traffic is likely to be travelling at the same speed, you won't be holding anyone up nor lane hogging, so there is little point in returning to lane 1. Also as 50mph zones on motorways generally causes congestion on motorways, it makes sense to use all lanes to keep the traffic flow moving as best possible.
 
Rapscallion said:
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If you were not overtaking you should have been in lane 1 to start with. You are effectively turning a motorway into a dual carriageway for all the other road users. The lorry drivers were in the wrong for driving aggressively, but you really should not be so stubborn and use the leftmost lane whenever possible!
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I was actually overtaking in lane 3 moments before the speed limit was applied and had returned to lane 2, so therefore I was in the correct lane, and reiterating my previous post, it is best practice to continue on your course of travel until advised otherwise. If everyone was to move back to lane one, as you are suggesting, then there would be huge tailbacks and 2 empty lanes.:)
 
It's all your own fault! If you'd stayed at home, none of this would have happened.
End of! :p
All the resident motoring experts will put you straight on how, regardless of what the truck drivers did, you could easily have avoided the situation, and therefore it will all be your fault.
:D
 
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archangel said:
I was actually overtaking in lane 3 moments before the speed limit was applied and had returned to lane 2, so therefore I was in the correct lane, and reiterating my previous post, it is best practice to continue on your course of travel until advised otherwise. If everyone was to move back to lane one, as you are suggesting, then there would be huge tailbacks and 2 empty lanes.:)
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I didn't suggest that, just pull into lane one when you are done overtaking. Too many middle lane hoggers around!
 
Road rage almost seems the norm today. I had something similar on the M27 approaching M271 junction. LH lane M271 only, so I was in lane 2. So, presumably I "got in the way" of Mr Silly Trucker who wanted to turn onto the 271 staying in lane 2 throught, which is permissible, but the road is marked that M27 traffic should be in the other 3 lanes at this point
 
Rapscallion said:
I didn't suggest that, just pull into lane one when you are done overtaking. Too many middle lane hoggers around!
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Under normal circumstances yes, but not necessary when in a reduced speed limit zone, unless of course you intend driving slower than the reduced speed limit and you would indeed be holding up traffic.
 
nilagin said:
Under normal circumstances yes, but not necessary when in a reduced speed limit zone, unless of course you intend driving slower than the reduced speed limit and you would indeed be holding up traffic.
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Personally I would always use the leftmost available lane. The speed you are doing I don't think is relevant.
 
which is why you should always carry a gun in the car to blow out there tyres :mad::mad:
 
Rapscallion said:
Personally I would always use the leftmost available lane. The speed you are doing I don't think is relevant.
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there is no point in lane hopping if you will only be using the lane for a few seconds as a lane change is the most risky part of mway driving. i generally switch lanes if im likely to be in that lane for at least 30 seconds to make the switch worthwhile - i sometimes see people switch only to switch again in less than 10 seconds
 
Rapscallion said:
Personally I would always use the leftmost available lane. The speed you are doing I don't think is relevant.
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I can only assume you have not spent much time driving through reduced speed limit zones. As already said there isn't enough room for everyone to remain in the inside lane. It causes much less congestion to make use of all lanes. I invariably find the people on the inside lane can't maintain their speed anyway and keep slowing down then speeding up etc etc.
 
boliston said:
there is no point in lane hopping if you will only be using the lane for a few seconds as a lane change is the most risky part of mway driving. i generally switch lanes if im likely to be in that lane for at least 30 seconds to make the switch worthwhile - i sometimes see people switch only to switch again in less than 10 seconds
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I will always lane hop if there is faster traffic wanting to get by. Your sitting there for a minimum of 30 seconds just causes unnecessarily congestion. You should be aware of your surroundings and other traffic at all times on motorways. Changing lanes is no more risky than any other manoeuvre.
 
  • Just for reference....

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/motorways-253-to-273
Rule 264
You should always drive in the left-hand lane when the road ahead is clear. If you are overtaking a number of slower-moving vehicles, you should return to the left-hand lane as soon as you are safely past. Slow-moving or speed-restricted vehicles should always remain in the left-hand lane of the carriageway unless overtaking.
 
Didnt you know HGVs can travel at their top speed regardless of anything.
 
kendo1 said:
I've heard they are just plain grey, not yellow.
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Yep these ones are grey and merge into the background quite nicely ;)
kendo1 said:
They are set to activate with the changing speed limits
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That was their primary use I believe, but the one that flashed had no speed limit or restriction showing, I checked back in my mirror, to confim as the traffic was flowing well on that carriageway.

archangel said:
clearly states that when a change in traffic due too an incident you should adhere to the advice given and continue on your current course until advised accordingly...at no
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If you were in the same queue as me, over head signs clearly stated "stay in lane"
 
archangel said:
I would like to think that I am a decent bloke....even more so when driving as every trip we take there is that possibility of injury or death....but what totally f***ed me off today was an encounter with some HGV drivers on the M25 anti clockwise.... Imagine the scene traveling centre lane and the variable speed limit is changed from national to 50mph..incident ahead...therefore I reduce my speed to fifty.....unlike the f*** in the HGV that changes from nearside lane to behind Mr and blasts his horn because I am doing fifty as requested by law....next thing I know I have a lorry nearside blasting it's horn and suddenly another on the acceleration lane (totally illegal) pulling along side with full horns....all because I am doing the requested speed limit....total f*****g t***s...I felt the need to go to forty but even I am not that pretty......dashcams ordered so I can get the reg in future...rant over:mad:
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Normal day on the M25, happened every day I drove from Leatherhead clockwise and the speed cameras dropped to 40/50 from National Speed limit, no chance of getting into lane 2 (if in lane 3) due to being undertaken. Best one was when I was in lane 1 (on a motorbike this time) and undertaken on the hard shoulder, horn blaring by a coach.
I feel your pain, great when criticised by someone who wasnt there :)
Matt
 
MatBin said:
Best one was when I was in lane 1 (on a motorbike this time) and undertaken on the hard shoulder, horn blaring by a coach.
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Sometimes it makes you wonder what these people are on :(
That's fine if they want to break the limit, especially as they know its backed up with camera's,
But why the hell they have to get all wound up with people that prefer to keep their licence is beyond me :(
 
Cobra said:
If you were in the same queue as me, over head signs clearly stated "stay in lane"
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THIS, most times I;ve been stuck in controlled limits on the M25 they tell you to stay in lane, of course you still get the prats that
continuously change because the lane next to them is moving and they aren't
 
Gremlin said:
of course you still get the prats that
continuously change because the lane next to them is moving and they aren't
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As I often get in a queue for the Tunnel or any other part of the M25, when I end up in the middle lane,
I take a mental note of what is beside me, when we come to a stand still.
And without moving from that lane, all lanes eventually move equidistant, although as you know some move, than others etc.
 
If the left hand lane is free you should move into it unless instructed to do so by a sign. The police can give you an on the spot fine and points. The first prosecution was £1000 and 5 points.

Obviously this does not apply to taxi or BMW drivers on the M25. Though this has still to be written in part 264 of the Highway Code.

The HGV driver had no doubt had enough of idiots driving at less than his maximum speed in a lane he can not enter. And took it out on you. Not nice of him/her but it does go with the territory. The M25 is a guarantee stress trip so you can only blame yourself.
 
PINNACLE said:
If the left hand lane is free you should move into it unless instructed to do so by a sign. The police can give you an on the spot fine and points. The first prosecution was £1000 and 5 points.

Obviously this does not apply to taxi or BMW drivers on the M25. Though this has still to be written in part 264 of the Highway Code.

The HGV driver had no doubt had enough of idiots driving at less than his maximum speed in a lane he can not enter. And took it out on you. Not nice of him/her but it does go with the territory. The M25 is a guarantee stress trip so you can only blame yourself.
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I can only assume you haven't driven through many reduced speed zones on motorways either. It would be practically impossible to move to the left hand lane due to the volume of traffic produced by the speed reduction.
 
nilagin said:
I can only assume you haven't driven through many reduced speed zones on motorways either. It would be practically impossible to move to the left hand lane due to the volume of traffic produced by the speed reduction.
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But in this case there was enough room for an artic to undertake, that would indicate that the nearside lane was clear enough for the op to pull in. I've never had an artic do that to me as I don't hog lanes.
 
Rapscallion said:
But in this case there was enough room for an artic to undertake, that would indicate that the nearside lane was clear enough for the op to pull in. I've never had an artic do that to me as I don't hog lanes.
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Reduced speed limit zones tend to have lanes travelling at different speed, I'd say the fact the op was only doing 45'ish in a 50, was because the road was fairly congested. You are assuming the lorry driver wasn't following the car in front too closely. I've never yet driven through a reduced speed limit zone where cars are not tightly bunched, leaving little room to move over to the left hand lane.
 
Have to say that I can't stand middle lane hoggers but that said lorry drivers are generally pretty selfish on the roads so not surprised at their Attitude.
 
Rapscallion said:
But in this case there was enough room for an artic to undertake, that would indicate that the nearside lane was clear enough for the op to pull in. I've never had an artic do that to me as I don't hog lanes.
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I couldn't actually pull into the nearside lane due to the other feckin idiot in his HGV filling up the space that the a******e behind me left....plus it was safer in the middle lane as lane 1 was full of lorries heading to Dover and they were bunched up....at the end of the day I abided by the law of the road by reducing my speed as requested, continued on as advised in a safe manner...unlike the W^&%$%&s driving the artics....
 
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