Well this isn't great

H'mm Is the aim to "kill off" film use, reminds me of forcing people to use electric cars in that film users would go back to digi or be forced by cost to use a digi camera :(
 
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Disappointing. I know costs have gone up, but that is savage.
 
It’s the investment your paying for. Keeping a dead horse walking is an expensive business, especially when there’s no future in Thant mode.
Camera manufacturers will put their money where the need is and there is value for their dollar. Digital is far easier to amange and produce since manufacture is now gears for that. In a sense, digital was developed because it produced a better product, regardless of the emotional attachment some might have with film. Providing for less than 1% of the market with film is cost ineffective.
It’s probably a gift at any price that a company who thought digital would never last would still produce film.
New tech often replaces old. LP records, analog telephones, land communication lines, steam trains, soon we will see internal combustion engines go the same way. Call it what you like. It’s a progression from less to more efficiency.
That doesn’t stop people from being involved in the old tech, they just need to pay the price for doing so.
 
Boycott Kodak, or more to the point, boycott their sheer greed.

If other film manufacturers can hold their present film prices or at least keep price increases to a minimum then it’s time to revolt against those that won’t.

If a product doesn’t sell, a company will investigate into the reasons why and do one of two things.:

Change their approach based on competitive companies

or

Stick by their choices and risk going out of business.


Alternatively we ( the worldwide film shooting community) can keep accepting extortionate price hikes and , by continuing to purchase from Kodak, send them a message that we’re happy to be financially abused.

I haven’t purchased Kodak film for quite some time now …….
 
those 4x5 prices are obscene, will give cinestill and their 400D some market share hopefully, I would bet the prices they sell to the hollywood studios are at a premium and they can afford it so pull the investment from there
 
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We'll all be back to B&W and diy processing, maybe with hand colouring of prints...
 
I just checked my film supplies. I've got loads of B&W in different formats and brands, but very little colour, just a few Ektar and Fujifilm in 35mm by the look of it, so I've just whacked in an order to Analogue Wonderland for plenty of 120 colour mainly Kodak. I don't see myself doing colour in LF, it' just too expensive and I've not got to the stage of trusting myself not to waste it..
 
Approximating Japanese prices into UK/US prices is totally misleading though, Kodak is already quite expensive in Japan, e.g Yodobashi sell a 5 pack of Portra 400 35mm for £98 pre price hike, the new price of £117 is in line with that 20%. If that same increase is carried over to current UK prices that same 5 pack is £90.
 
All my current (limited) stocks of film are from Ilford. It doesn't seem likely that I'll get Kodak film again at those prices. Fortunately there are plenty of other options in 5x4, 120 & 127 (the only film formats I expect to use in the near future).
 
Oh well, colour film was nice while it lasted. :(
 
I have 12 boxes of (120) Portra 160 and 12 of 400 in my freezer (earmarked for a particular project) plus a box of Ektar 100. I also have a smattering of mixed Portra 160/400 35mm (about 25) though I rarely shoot 35mm htese days. My preferred film is Provia 100F (120) and I have about 10 boxes of that in the frezer too so I'll be ok for a while I think. The trouble is with the internetters these days all sayinf Portra is the benchmark for colour neg film Kodak are obviously milking it. Mid Fuji Provia went up quite a bit last year (I got in just intime for a couple more boxes). Not sure where it will all end but I can't see myself moving away fro Provia unless they stop making it.
 
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Boycott Kodak,
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The problem with that ...... is it's lose lose for us as if they can't sell consumer film they will discontinue to produce it, and if the film cinema industry stops buying then Kodak would close that side of the business and would divert to other products. And if Fuji do the same.....................................................................................
 
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I have 12 boxes of (120) Portra 160 and 12 of 400 in my freezer (earmarked for a particular project) plus a box of Ektar 100. I also have a smattering of mixed Portra 160/400 35mm (about 25) though I rarely shoot 35mm htese days. My preferred film is Provia 100F (120) and I have about 10 boxes of that in the frezer too so I'll be ok for a while I think. The trouble is with the internetters these days all sayinf Portra is the benchmark for colour neg film Kodak are obviously milking it. Mid Fuji Provia went up quite a bit last year (I got in just intime for a couple more boxes). Not sure where it will all end but I can't see myself moving away fro Provia unless they stop making it.
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Can you post your address, location of your freezer and any times when you might be away from home for a while...? ;)
 
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The problem with that ...... is it's lose lose for us as if they can't sell consumer film they will discontinue to produce it, and if the film cinema industry stops buying then Kodak would close that side of the business and would divert to other products. And if Fuji do the same.....................................................................................
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While ever there’s a market , there will be a supplier .
If Kodak were to go under
, consumers would turn elsewhere for film and thus other manufacturers would take up Kodak’s loss.

The only lose for us would be one manufacturer less and the loss of Kodak brand emulsions.

Film would however continue.

How long it would be before these other manufacturers attempted to follow suit with huge price hikes is anybodys guess .
That would then recommence a similar scenario.

Who’s to know if your beliefs aren’t true….. to price most of us out of shooting film.
A sad state of affairs if that is the case.
 
I've gradually reduced the amount of colour film I shoot, but had bought a pack of Kodak Gold 200 in 120 which was only introduced last year, so presumably meeting a perceived demand? I still have some colour print and slide film in the fridge, but I'm not seeing me buying more anytime soon, especially 35mm. It's a shame. :crying:
 
Asha said:
While ever there’s a market , there will be a supplier .
If Kodak were to go under
, consumers would turn elsewhere for film and thus other manufacturers would take up Kodak’s loss.

The only lose for us would be one manufacturer less and the loss of Kodak brand emulsions.

Film would however continue.

How long it would be before these other manufacturers attempted to follow suit with huge price hikes is anybodys guess .
That would then recommence a similar scenario.

Who’s to know if your beliefs aren’t true….. to price most of us out of shooting film.
A sad state of affairs if that is the case.
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Another guess would be that Kodak don't want to go back into mass production to provide cheap/cheaper film (with the extra cost for machinery/labour etc) as they are not sure if the market is there.
 
Well, I'm glad I decided to give up with film as I couldn't afford it last year. I definitely could not justify using it at the new prices.

Howard
 
Looks like Kodak are trying to price people out of film use, Then they can justify closing down.
I need to think seriously about continuing with Kodak, not good, not impressed at all.
 
At least other companies are trying to release new colour films so theres that, most of us are okay or excited about, its the hipsters who wont be able to get over the loss of Portra
 
There was an article on Kosmofoto about this a while back which gives a slightly more balanced view:

kosmofoto.com

New Kodak Alaris price rises announced for March 2023

Kodak Alaris has announced another price rise affecting its photographic films, due to take place from March 2023.
kosmofoto.com

It's still a rise, but not as much as the article quoted above is stating. It also explains the reasons for the price increases (according to Kodak).
 
The frustating thing is, lets say supply chain issues were gone in a year the prices never come down, the demand will fall if no one can afford it
 
desf said:
Can you post your address, location of your freezer and any times when you might be away from home for a while...? ;)
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His dogs have been bred from the Hound of the Baskervilles's line - with added viciousness and size. He doesn't feed them while he's away from home - they survive on intruders. Oddly, there's a fast turnover of delivery drivers on that part of the Moor!!!
 
But, but, but, Tri-X! Aaaaaaaarrrrrggggghhhhhh :(

OK I already can't justify it, soon I'd need a mortgage...
 
I heard they are running 24/7 now and have employed hundreds more people, they keep saying raw materials are expensive and harder to come by.

who else does colour, Cinestill, FPP, Lomo
 
....and I suppose some of the price increase is added on for inflation, well they are all doing it........... in the UK.
 
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