Wedding Photo actions

Janice said:
Took the words right out of my mouth, Kevin.

What the bride wants, goes. If she hired a cake-maker .. the cake-maker would make the cake that the bride wanted...... not what she herself wanted. thats ludicrous.
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Must be nice to be able to dictate what work you want to take on and what you don't though .... :D
 
petemc said:
I'm not about to start doing selective colouring, stupid wedding cliches or turn up in a clown outfit just because you're supposed to give the customer what they want.
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Janice said:
Took the words right out of my mouth, Kevin.

What the bride wants, goes. If she hired a cake-maker .. the cake-maker would make the cake that the bride wanted...... not what she herself wanted. thats ludicrous.
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Janice your view seems to differ radically from petemc's. You both can't be right.

I was addressing my question to Julien who asked a fairly innocent question and got a lot of contradictory advice. I wondered what he was going to do.
 
rh1944 said:
I was addressing my question to Julien who asked a fairly innocent question and got a lot of contradictory advice. I wondered what he was going to do.
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Google some wedding photoshop actions and disregard the clap trap in this thread I should hope.
 
She would probably go with a cake maker who made cakes she likes. Then they could work together to produce results that they are both happy with. I doubt she would go to a chocolate cake maker and demand a fruit cake just cos it's her day. The guy would explain that it's not something he does and as such wouldn't suit her needs. She would find someone else.
 
rh1944 said:
Janice your view seems to differ radically from petemc's. You both can't be right.

I was addressing my question to Julien who asked a fairly innocent question and got a lot of contradictory advice. I wondered what he was going to do.
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Janice said:
Google some wedding photoshop actions and disregard the clap trap in this thread I should hope.
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hypnotic said:
Must be nice to be able to dictate what work you want to take on and what you don't though .... :D
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I support Juliens right to use whatever he wishes to create the pictures his customers require. :thumbs:
People should stick to the question that was asked...
 
rh1944 said:
Janice your view seems to differ radically from petemc's. You both can't be right.

I was addressing my question to Julien who asked a fairly innocent question and got a lot of contradictory advice. I wondered what he was going to do.
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Is someone making a wedding cake? There seems to be a lot of stirring going on!

I happen to agree that what the Bride wants, the Bride gets (having gotten married last year!:lol:), however a decent photographer would always advise on what would work well/look good and what wouldn't. Ultimately the clients wishes are final, but a tog shouldn't throw away their integrity and beliefs. As Pete said, a client would usually hire a tog based on viewing their work and liking their style. If it comes down to it and a compromise can't be made then both parties should walk away.
 
Exactly. You don't go to Ford and ask for a Ford Corsa. Kissfoto, I don't recall anyone infringing on juliens rights.
 
petemc said:
She would probably go with a cake maker who made cakes she likes. Then they could work together to produce results that they are both happy with. I doubt she would go to a chocolate cake maker and demand a fruit cake just cos it's her day. The guy would explain that it's not something he does and as such wouldn't suit her needs. She would find someone else.
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Im sorry to have to say this... but cake makers make all sorts of cakes and when the bride goes in she will tell hiim and he will be able to make what she likes, whether its chocolate, fruitcake or a giant marshmallow.

If you are only able to produce one type of wedding photo.. then Im afraid you are a one-trick pony.
 
petemc said:
What different look? IMHO the "different look" should be mostly created in camera with depth of field and composition, then nicely processed in either colour or black and white. Anything else is going to be a gimmick.
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This sounds pretty much like you should not use actions and do it yourself !!
The guy asked for advice on actions that he could use not your opinion about why he should not use them. I fail to see where I said that anyone infringed his rights..:bonk:
 
Janice said:
Im sorry to have to say this... but cake makers make all sorts of cakes and when the bride goes in she will tell hiim and he will be able to make what she likes, whether its chocolate, fruitcake or a giant marshmallow.

If you are only able to produce one type of wedding photo.. then Im afraid you are a one-trick pony.
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If someone went into a cake shop and asked for a cake in the shape of, say, a giant pair of breasts (random example I know!) and the cake maker felt uncomfortable making it then they wouldn't. No one will do something to please a client that they don't feel comfortable with or that they feel harms their style or integrity.
 
Garry79 said:
If someone went into a cake shop and asked for a cake in the shape of, say, a giant pair of breasts (random example I know!) and the cake maker felt uncomfortable making it then they wouldn't. No one will do something to please a client that they don't feel comfortable with or that they feel harms their style or integrity.
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Were not talking here about a giant pair of breast but some simple actions to help the photographer make images to please his clients, how would that make him feel uncomfortable. If he wishes to use predefined actions to create what the couple wants, and he and they are happy with the images, I don't see a problem.. :bang:
 
I think the OP's question regarding actions has been answered and a number of suggestions have been made. This has resulted with the topic moving on. I was merely trying to put my point across regarding integrity and differing opinions with clients. Appologies if this make you want to bang your head against a wall.
 
Garry79 said:
I think the OP's question regarding actions has been answered and a number of suggestions have been made. This has resulted with the topic moving on. I was merely trying to put my point across regarding integrity and differing opinions with clients. Appologies if this make you want to bang your head against a wall.
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It was just a simple question, and yes alternate answer and solutions have been suggested. OK :thumbs:

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Janice said:
Im sorry to have to say this... but cake makers make all sorts of cakes and when the bride goes in she will tell hiim and he will be able to make what she likes, whether its chocolate, fruitcake or a giant marshmallow.

If you are only able to produce one type of wedding photo.. then Im afraid you are a one-trick pony.
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Ok this is getting really silly. Whoever heard of one type of chocolate cake? I never said anything about one trick ponies. It was a very easy point I thought. If you to a company asking them to do something they don't normally do and don't agree with doing it won't matter whether its your wedding day or not. Its simply a service they don't offer. What happens is that the bride looks elsewhere. If the bride had already hired me as a photographer and then after the wedding day asks for some in selective colour I would explain why I feel it doesn't work. Now I'm not saying I wouldn't give the bride what she wants. I've done weddings and when they've asked to see some b&w shots in colour I've processed them so that they work nicely in colour too, but there is a limit. I'm not going to start photoshopping people out, throwing in backgrounds or adding in fictional cartoon characters just because its her day. Lets make it easy. You go to Ford, say its your wedding day and ask for breasts pillows instead of headrests. Not going to happen.
 
petemc said:
I'm not going to start photoshopping people out, throwing in backgrounds or adding in fictional cartoon characters just because its her day. .
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No-one asked for anything other than some actions to create dreamy shots, or vignettes or whatever as that is very popular with wedding couples.

Photoshopping people out, throwing in backgrounds or adding in fictional cartoon characters is absolutely ridiculous and not something anyone mentioned in the post asking for actions when he was told they were a gimmick.

A vast majority of YOUR shots have vignettes.........................why is it not a gimmick when YOU do it?
 
No-one asked about actions that create breasts, wedding cakes, Fords, and so-one but here we are. I wasn't in anyway using the photoshopping people out in relation to the actions. If you read it properly I said there is a limit to the amount of things you're willing to do for a bride just because its their wedding day. I then listed some of those things that I felt crossed the line. As for my vignettes, they weren't the vignettes I was talking about. I know a lot of people like to use silly white vignettes on wedding photos.
 
petemc said:
As for my vignettes, they weren't the vignettes I was talking about. I know a lot of people like to use silly white vignettes on wedding photos.
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OK.

But I have to say you are coming over as very arrogant and superior, Pete .... apparently your vignettes are superb and everyone else's are silly and a gimmick..... strange that.
 
Janice said:
OK.

But I have to say you are coming over as very arrogant and superior, Pete .... apparently your vignettes are superb and everyone else's are silly and a gimmick..... strange that.
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My agent says it helps me get chicks. Anyway, me isn't the issue and I'm not saying my vignettes are super and everyone elses are silly. I'm saying that those white ones are. The white oval type that make your photo look like its from 1850's. We almost never see that here but we see the black ones. So its not like I'm alone on this.
 
Look guys if you want to turn this into a personal attack go for it.
 
This seems to be getting out of hand and way off topic.

I use actions to do things like boost colour intensity, create B&W with or without a vignette, create sepia or other duotone effects and many other things that I want to do with a photo. I highlight the I as it's my choice how the photo is processed, not another photographer.

Yes they were not my own actions, but they do what I want them to do and I can alter the effects and strength after I've run them. That, to me, is not using someone else's style, it's creating pictures that I'm happy with in a quarter of the time if I had to do it manually. I use someone else's actions because I like the results and it was easier for me to download the actions then spend hours figuring out various bits of Photoshop to learn how to do that to create the same end result. The choice of what to use and when and how strong the effect is puts me in control and stops my photos looking like any specific other photographer.
 
:rules: need I say more? :suspect:
 
Guys not sure what I can say, but this thread sucks on several levels.

Firstly, Pete has obviously grated one or two people, as he has me in the past. But the problem is, his comments are not ill intended, and are simply slightly sarcastic at worst.

The thing that sucks more, is growing number of people almost "bullying" him for it. Its like the playground antics I experienced as a kid, its a bit sh*t to see it here.

I won't comment on the actual debate, its just a shame to see this place look like the school playground.

Gary.
 
i would think that any good photographer would have a portfolio that is either shown to the client before meeting or available online, the client could then decide if that is the sort of shot/style they want for their wedding/barmitzvah/funeral/christening/envelope opening. If they dont like that style, they move on to someone else until they find the type of photographer they want. Or at least thats what i think.
 
Can I just apologize for anything I said in this thread which was OTT.

Bit stressed out this week with one thing and another....sorry all.
 
Janice said:
Can I just apologize for anything I said in this thread which was OTT.

Bit stressed out this week with one thing and another....sorry all.
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It's been a heated old thread this one :D Man I am friends with all you guys, I have the added benefit of having spoken with Pete several times in the chatroom. It was a steep learning curve, but before long, I was able to penetrate his layer of sarcasm and find the fluffy teddybear on the inside...

He is a genuinly nice guy it would appear, and he really intends to give advice more than anything. I have had so many hints, tips and tricks told, sometimes in a completely blunt fashion, but I listen, as the quality of his work demands it.

Cool. Pete, you can pull your pants back up now, I am sufficiently hydrated after that :D

Gary.
 
That's what I was thinking Gary, also there are a lot of folks passionate about their photography here (naturally!) and the weather has been mucking up lots of opportunities for shots.
Withdrawal symptoms on TP. :nuts:
 
Susane said:
That's what I was thinking Gary, there are a lot of folks passionate about their photography here (naturally!) and the weather has been mucking up lots of opportunities for shots.
Withdrawal symptoms on TP. :nuts:
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I was just discussing that VERY point in the chatroom, how I have not really had a chance to get out today and shoot. I am really p*ssed off :D

Gary.
 
wow, this is the most responses ive had to a thead yet lol
sorry im late in posting but ive been on holiday enjoying the money i make taking wedding pics :)

all the photos i wanted the actions for are done and dusted now and i made some actions of my own to match our style which is Whatever the Bride and groom or bride and bride or groom and groom want.

i hope everyone will take a nice deap breath and have a little hug safe in the knowledge that everything is ok :)

thanks again for everyones responses
 
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