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[Cobra]

That incident had a major effect on my life, although seven year old me didn't realise it at the time. Since I was one of the people that did all my work, didn't cause trouble and didn't break rules, it left me with a feeling of injustice and resentment toward my teachers and authority in general. I am convinced it was the genesis of what I do today, in actively supporting campaigns for the rights of the oppressed, for self determination, civil liberties and human rights. Including hauling those that abuse children by whacking them up before the courts. And yes, it made me one of those awkward people that insists people with authority respect the limits that the law places on that authority, so I'm one of those who wouldn't tell a policeman my name and address and what I was doing unless I was legally obliged to do so.

I have no idea of your age Mark (and this is not an attack on you)
But it sounds to me that you were brought up at the start of the "bleeding heart" era and the "its everyone else's fault but "mine"

Sure I was punished for somethings I never did, My dads favourite saying,
to my brother and I, " if you don't own up I'll whack the pair of you, That way I'll get the right one"
Of course we never snitched

It never affected me or made me suicidal, nor did watching "horror films" induce me to go out and "target" someone.
We GOT OVER IT and moved on.

 

[cambsno]

I didn't realise not protecting your child's head was a measure of good parenting

Sure, kids learn from their falls and we shouldn't stop them from these entirely, but there's no extra lesson to be learnt from an unprotected head hitting tarmac over a head with a helmet on.

A 3yo riding a bike with stabilisers (and not going that fast) round a quiet cul de sac with me walking by him does not need to be decked out with protective equipment.

 

[MisterE]

Ed 'Stewpot' Stewart on the radio on Saturday mornings. No daytime television then. That was probably in the 60s.

 

[u8myufo]

Fire cans - anyone remember them?

Get an empty tin - punch a few holes in it around the sides, attached a long wire handle 3 or 4 feet long. Fill up the can with burning coal from the grate and swing the thing around your head in a circle so that the draught whipped up the embers to furnace intensity. Always done in the dark of course - you wanna talk impressive light trails?

Social Services would have you in care today!

It was even more impressive Ced`s if you switched the telly off as well :nuts:
A thousand and one excuses for coming back home way past your bed time I was pretty sure they were all convincing one`s as well

 

[onomatopoeia]

I have no idea of your age Mark (and this is not an attack on you)
But it sounds to me that you were brought up at the start of the "bleeding heart" era and the "its everyone else's fault but "mine"

42 later this month. The incident in question happened in 1976, best part of a decade before caning in state schools was banned.

With rights come responsibilities. It should not suprise you to learn that coupled with my committment to self-determination and human rights I also firmly believe in individuals taking responsibility for their actions. That includes me taking responsibility for mine.

Hand in hand with that goes ensuring that blame, where appropriate, is correctly assigned. I do not subscribe to the "better punish innocents in the hope of also punishing the guilty" point of view. There is no excuse for those in authority (be it the state, schoolteachers or parents) to harm innocents, ever.

And yes, those principles even extend to misbehaving children where the miscreant won't own up. It's a principle and I won't set it aside for convenience.

 

[Cobra]

It's a principle and I won't set it aside for convenience.

And I applaud your courage of your own convictions

And for me? I'd vote for the return of the cane, in an instant.
I still say that it never did me or anyone I know any harm,
And of course there will always be the odd "miscarriage of justice" just as there is in everyday life (law)
but that doesn't mean that we have to or should ban
law courts or prisons,
in which far more harm can be (and probably is) done, than the
odd smack across the back of the legs.

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this one

 

[cambsno]

42 later this month. The incident in question happened in 1976, best part of a decade before caning in state schools was banned.

With rights come responsibilities. It should not suprise you to learn that coupled with my committment to self-determination and human rights I also firmly believe in individuals taking responsibility for their actions. That includes me taking responsibility for mine.

Hand in hand with that goes ensuring that blame, where appropriate, is correctly assigned. I do not subscribe to the "better punish innocents in the hope of also punishing the guilty" point of view. There is no excuse for those in authority (be it the state, schoolteachers or parents) to harm innocents, ever.

And yes, those principles even extend to misbehaving children where the miscreant won't own up. It's a principle and I won't set it aside for convenience.

Great - the Human Rights that mean the taxpayer has to pay damages to them for all sorts of stupid things!! Human rights should be earnt!