Waste of water

I simply asked you not to miss quote me, nothing grumpy about that.
 
I suppose that those in the direst need of clean water are unlikely to ever see these mostly vacuous celebs tip water over their heads for whatever reason, and so there's no harm.
If they were standing in front of a dehydrated Eritrean child and doing it, that would be a little disturbing.
 
surely you cant disagree the mis-quote is a valid comment. its a worthy cause that deserves a bit of spotlight. I suspect more water is wasted daily already than a mere bucket of water by the average person in the western world.

either way, if you're THAT bothered about the water go and make your own viral video for raising money for wells in areas that need them.

but think about this, how many MILLIONS (or even BILLIONS) have been pumped into 3rd world countries over the years in regard to aid/medication/water? let ALS have their moment, its a drop in the ocean (pun intended) compared to that.
 
Now who is being a grump? Huh?

Passing comment on something you obviously have little understanding of, same as Tom

You surprise me Neil, there are plenty of idiots/wannabe trolls on the forum as it is without you trying & failing to crawl your way to top spot.
 
viv1969 said:
I suppose that those in the direst need of clean water are unlikely to ever see these mostly vacuous celebs tip water over their heads for whatever reason, and so there's no harm.
If they were standing in front of a dehydrated Eritrean child and doing it, that would be a little disturbing.
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I hear you Ruth

I just find it is getting a little bit out of control and obscene now, even as far as the real cause behind it being lost with various companies & other entities jumping on the bandwagon trying to earn a quick £ to swell there already overflowing coffers
 
Keith W said:
I hear you Ruth

I just find it is getting a little bit out of control and obscene now, even as far as the real cause behind it being lost with various companies & other entities jumping on the bandwagon trying to earn a quick £ to swell there already overflowing coffers
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Always the way though.
A very small amount of money raised for charity actually goes to making a difference.
When my mum died, we talked to mcmillan about money in leiu of flowers, and their advice was to ask for cash. So we did. What we then did was ask them what equipment they needed at the hospice. They gave us a list and several items were purchased thus ensuring 100% went where it was needed.
 
Why not just donate to charity if you want to rather than

a) pour cold water over yourself
b)take some ugly selfie
c) do some other unpleasant activity.

All this sponsor me, this, that is just pish. Just put your hands in your pockets and donate through gift aid etc.
 
viv1969 said:
Always the way though.
A very small amount of money raised for charity actually goes to making a difference.
When my mum died, we talked to mcmillan about money in leiu of flowers, and their advice was to ask for cash. So we did. What we then did was ask them what equipment they needed at the hospice. They gave us a list and several items were purchased thus ensuring 100% went where it was needed.
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Thanks for sharing that Ruth

I had written a bit more but was to hard, sorry
 
viv1969 said:
I suppose that those in the direst need of clean water are unlikely to ever see these mostly vacuous celebs tip water over their heads for whatever reason, and so there's no harm.
If they were standing in front of a dehydrated Eritrean child and doing it, that would be a little disturbing.
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I couldn't agree more. But when one considers the number of hours a day, and the distance walked, that many (usually women and children) have to expend to collect a similar amount of water, it seems a little disrespectful to see it used like that; no matter how good the cause.
 
chadders said:
I couldn't agree more. But when one considers the number of hours a day, and the distance walked, that many (usually women and children) have to expend to collect a similar amount of water, it seems a little disrespectful to see it used like that; no matter how good the cause.
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But then aren't you getting into a whole minefield of being offended on behalf of someone else? A bit like towns not mentioning 'christmas' in their December plans in case it offends the non christian inhabitants, when in truth, 99% of those same people don't give a stuff and enjoy the christmas trees and what have you.
Yes, doing it in front of a a village of people who have to walk 10 miles a day to fetch water would be tasteless in the extreme, doing it in your own back garden here in rain soaked Britain is hardly the same thing and not nearly so offensive as the amount of water the water companies allow to escape due to leaks on a daily basis.
 
Yv said:
But then aren't you getting into a whole minefield of being offended on behalf of someone else? A bit like towns not mentioning 'christmas' in their December plans in case it offends the non christian inhabitants, when in truth, 99% of those same people don't give a stuff and enjoy the christmas trees and what have you.
Yes, doing it in front of a a village of people who have to walk 10 miles a day to fetch water would be tasteless in the extreme, doing it in your own back garden here in rain soaked Britain is hardly the same thing and not nearly so offensive as the amount of water the water companies allow to escape due to leaks on a daily basis.
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Well this business of "being offended on others behalf" was aired in another thread. A number of the people who defended that proposition seem to be actively in favour of not being offended on behalf of people with little or no resources to clean water. In this case I choose to be offended on behalf of others.
 
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I always wondered why those places where women and children walk 10 miles each way to fetch water don't just move closer to the water?

Even the earliest civilisations were set up on banks of rivers or near water sources, so why is the case so many 3rd world villages are so far away?
 
chadders said:
Well this business of "being offended on others behalf" was aired in another thread. A number of the people who defended that proposition seem to be actively in favour of not being offended on behalf of people with little or no resources to clean water. In this case I choose to be offended on behalf of others.
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..and you are entitled to be if you chose, but if we all stopped doing things that someone, somewhere in the world, might be slightly offended by or find tasteless, whether due to their own circumstances, cultural differences or political persuasion, and add in all the somethings that someone somewhere in the world is offended by on behalf of some other one, the world would grind to halt pretty damned quickly. ;)
 
Likewise I've often wondered why so many people choose commute to work each day. Why don't they just move nearer their jobs. Just think of all the time and resources they'd save, not to mention the beneficial effects for global warming.
 
chadders said:
Likewise I've often wondered why so many people choose commute to work each day. Why don't they just move nearer their jobs. Just think of all the time and resources they'd save, not to mention the beneficial effects for global warming.
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For me, the cost of fuel commuting is far less than the difference in mortgage payments would be.
 
Yv said:
..and you are entitled to be if you chose, but if we all stopped doing things that someone, somewhere in the world, might be slightly offended by or find tasteless, whether due to their own circumstances, cultural differences or political persuasion, and add in all the somethings that someone somewhere in the world is offended by on behalf of some other one, the world would grind to halt pretty damned quickly. ;)
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So you agree with those of us who thought it was OK for Jeremy Clarkson to use the word "slope" in that context then? On the basis that the guy in question probably didn't hear it and only a couple of people bothered to complain to the BBC. There seemed an awful lot of posters in that thread who were offended on the Asian gentleman's behalf.
 
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For me, the cost of fuel commuting is far less than the difference in mortgage payments would be.
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So what you're saying is you do it for reasons that are personal to you.
 
chadders said:
So you agree with those of us who thought it was OK for Jeremy Clarkson to use the word "slope" in that context then? On the basis that the guy in question probably didn't hear it and only a couple of people bothered to complain to the BBC. There seemed an awful lot of posters in that thread who were offended on the Asian gentleman's behalf.
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my opinion makes no difference, thats exactly the point, I am not on the internet whining about it. I get up and dress daily in jeans and a t-shirt, there are huge communities in other areas of the world that find women dressing as such hugely offensive - would you like to be offended by me on their behalf?
 
In the developed world we all behave frivolously with many resources that people who live in more challenging environments would, and sometimes do, kill eachother for.
It seems a little selective to worry or take offence at this particular frivolity.

Why aren't you offended by the origins of the tantalum in the capacitors in your camera?
 
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Because generally our places of work are in over populated and built up urban areas and thus is impossible to live as close as you'd like. (Saying that, my place of work is a two minute walk).

Most 3rd world vilages aren't in built up areas and could easily have been founded much closer to a water source.

chadders said:
Likewise I've often wondered why so many people choose commute to work each day. Why don't they just move nearer their jobs. Just think of all the time and resources they'd save, not to mention the beneficial effects for global warming.
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TCR4x4 said:
Because generally our places of work are in over populated and built up urban areas and thus is impossible to live as close as you'd like. (Saying that, my place of work is a two minute walk).

Most 3rd world vilages aren't in built up areas and could easily have been founded much closer to a water source.
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Except that the problem isn't so much access to water (they often have lots of water nearby) as it is access to wells that provide clean water that doesn't give them dysentry and cholera. People dwelling in these rural communities are often subsistence farmers who depend on the land on which they live. So it's not easy just to transplant an entire community (not to mention the fact that the wells will be used by numerous similar communities, for whom your brilliant plan would mean direct and probably violent competition for dry resources should they all decide just to relocate to the nearest well).
 
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I suspect that many of these dry communities once had a ready supply of water, but over time it has diminished and even disappeared.
 
Yv said:
my opinion makes no difference, thats exactly the point, I am not on the internet whining about it. I get up and dress daily in jeans and a t-shirt, there are huge communities in other areas of the world that find women dressing as such hugely offensive - would you like to be offended by me on their behalf?
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Quite frankly it's a matter of complete indifference to me whether you wish to offended by anything or nothing. That is your prerogative. I don't take offence at everything, I am selective, and in this case I am exercising my prerogative to be offended on someone else's behalf. If you wish to throw a bucket of water over yourself, and it makes you feel good, go ahead, knock yourself out.

BTW, I'm not whining about anything, I'm expressing my opinion, as every other contributor on this thread has done.
 
So we have water and another country doesn't.
Yes it's bloody awful for them, and we're incredibly lucky. However us using it in a 'first world' manner does not mean that the 'third world' countries will be better off?
If we were taking it directly from them I would agree.
However, I don't :)
 
TCR4x4 said:
I always wondered why those places where women and children walk 10 miles each way to fetch water don't just move closer to the water?

Even the earliest civilisations were set up on banks of rivers or near water sources, so why is the case so many 3rd world villages are so far away?
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Probably because they'd be moving 10 miles away from the nearest shop.
 
chadders said:
Likewise I've often wondered why so many people choose commute to work each day. Why don't they just move nearer their jobs. Just think of all the time and resources they'd save, not to mention the beneficial effects for global warming.
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Let's pretend I work on a moderate wage (30k bad enough?) in Central London. Who do you think would cover the difference in mortgage payments to live centrally? Let alone noise, pollution, smokers on the street, no greenery... I'd rather live in glasgow... Which is the case
 
Keith W said:
@archangel take no notice, I hear what you are saying

Let me relate to everybody a very short story from just a few days ago.....

I was sat in the office talking with a colleague, we were talking about a cheque for £500 that we had just posted off, just then we over heard some others talking about the ice bucket challenge thing - Now the £500 we had just sent off was so that a well could be sunk in a remote part of the world, enabling the people of a village to have fresh, clean, drinking and cooking water for the first time.

Whilst it is great that awareness has been raised with this ice bucket challenge it has now become obscene in my opinion
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Obscene? Thats is quite a strong word to describe something,tell us what you mean by that?
 
TCR4x4 said:
I always wondered why those places where women and children walk 10 miles each way to fetch water don't just move closer to the water?

Even the earliest civilisations were set up on banks of rivers or near water sources, so why is the case so many 3rd world villages are so far away?
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I recall back in the 60's and 70's we had the charity fund raising for clean water and as a result went to Kenya and Uganda in the 80's to research solar powered water pumping systems for my dissertation. My conclusion was that we should encourage the development of inefficient systems which would take some months to fill a lagoon. This may sound contrary to what one would expect but my argument was that the pastoral nomadist tribes would continue to roam rather than settle.

This would mean that an existing lifestyle was maintained but took into consideration that there was insufficient water available to grow crops for animal fodder and, most importantly, provide available fuel for cooking. I saw that whenever 'adequate' water was available the women and children were than forced to walk up to 10 miles a day for animal feed and firewood and the surrounding area quickly changed into a desert.

So in answer to move/not move this may be a trade off between water and forage/fuel
 
So what are the governments of these countries doing to resolve the water/food poverty?
These problems have been around since I was a boy in the 50's & 60's should they still be relying on the west to constantly provide the aid ?
 
archangel said:
I understand that some raise money for charity through this ice bucket water challenge.....but millions die of thirst each year or through water borne infection......why waste perfectly good water.....just donate the cash to water aid instead and then you do some good without freezing your b*****ks off......water is precious ....especially to those who need it.......
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It's not wasted though. How is it "wasting" water? There's a finite amount of water on the earth which remains pretty much constant. How is me emptying a bucket of water over my head wasting water that someone else in another continent needs?
 
Pookeyhead said:
It's not wasted though. How is it "wasting" water? There's a finite amount of water on the earth which remains pretty much constant. How is me emptying a bucket of water over my head wasting water that someone else in another continent needs?
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I don't know...but I'd pay to see it ;)
 
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I still don't agree with wasting Clean water
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Pour bucket of water on the ground. Water evaporates. Falls as rain, goes back into the rivers and lakes... not wasted.

The amount of water on the earth doesn't change very much, and hasn't for millions of years. Sometimes more of it is stored as ice than others, and sometimes more of it is in the air as water vapour more than others. Sometimes weather dumps it where it's not wanted, and doesn't dump it where it's needed. However... you can not waste water. It's actually impossible.
 
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