Wanted : an old copy of Amateur Photographer

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dwl22

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Not I'm sure the best place to ask but let's have a go! [have posted at AP as well]
When I was a teenager I won a runners-up prize in an AP competition with a photograph of a kayaker from the 1981 World Championships held in Bala, Wales. The competition was sponsored by Lowenbrau and the winner got a tour of the brewery, I got a tankard! I have a feeling the theme was sport and I'm pretty sure it was in the summer of '81.
Anyway, my copy is long gone (the slide fortunately not, the tankard dropped!). Don't suppose anyone with a library knows which edition it was and if there's anywhere I can get a copy?
 
Have you contacted AP themselves?
 
"By copy"? Will a scan do? Can get it through the library...
 
Well, a photocopy would be a copyright issue but an e-mail to the editor of AP would probably get the OP permission to make one for himself - the worst Mr D could do is say "No"!
 
Nod said:
Well, a photocopy would be a copyright issue
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Oh please..... isn't that taking it a bit far? It's a 30 year old magazine the guy wants for a personal keepsake. Just photocopy it.
 
It's still a copyright issue - probably easily overcome with a quick e-mail out of common courtesy (or do you lack that?)
 
I just have no moral issue with photocopying a 30 year old magazine as a personal keepsake because I had an image published in it. No.. I probably wouldn't e-mail anyone.. I'd just do it. I seriously doubt it would even cross my mind to e-mail anyone. I'm not publishing it, or displaying it... I'd just want it for personal sentimental reasons.
 
Pookeyhead said:
I just have no moral issue with photocopying a 30 year old magazine as a personal keepsake because I had an image published in it. No.. I probably wouldn't e-mail anyone.. I'd just do it. I seriously doubt it would even cross my mind to e-mail anyone. I'm not publishing it, or displaying it... I'd just want it for personal sentimental reasons.
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Have to say Id agree and not consider it immoral by any stretch.
 
It's a tearsheet, pure and simple. There are no moral issues and it's standard industry practice to prove publication. Doubly so since the guy has already approached AP to enquire about the availability of archives.


dwl22 - in your position I'd contact both the RPS and British Library to ask if they have any copies.
 
Blimey, I didn't expect a thread asking for an old copy of a magazine to be this good :D

As far as I can see theres no moral issue if its just a tear sheet... and if the publication can't sell you a copy of it anyway its not like they are losing money from selling an old back issue?
 
Thread cleaned.
One member has earned an extended holiday because they can't remain civilised. Any more personal insults and more people will find themselves staring at a login screen.
 
According to danish law, I'm entitled to make copies for personal, non-profitable use.
Passing them on to you for free, is still within the law.

Scans or photocopies makes no difference, btw.


So please, don't you think, I'm involved in anything illegal here! :D
 
Jan K. said:
According to danish law, I'm entitled to make copies for personal, non-profitable use.
Passing them on to you for free, is still within the law.

Scans or photocopies makes no difference, btw.

So please, don't you think, I'm involved in anything illegal here! :D
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Jan,

Without raking up the whole debate again, as a general point, it doesn't matter what Danish law says. AP is published in the UK and therefore subject to ( and protected by) our laws.
 
DemiLion said:
AP is published in the UK and therefore subject to our laws.
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Yes, and they are same as here... EU, you know... :D

1. Photocopying under "fair dealing" for private study or research

"Fair dealing" for private study or research is one of the exceptions in the UK's Copyright, Designs and Patents Act which allow copying of copyright protected material without the permission of the copyright owner. The concept is not defined in the legislation, but the underlying idea is that the copying should benefit the individual or society without harming the interests of the copyright owner.

SOAS students and staff and external users of the Library may photocopy extracts from literary, dramatic, musical or artistic works under this exception (for definitions of these terms, see What is copyright - and why it matters). For “fair dealing” to apply, all of the following conditions must be met:
◾No more than a single photocopy should be produced, for the personal use of the person doing the copying. Multiple copying (e.g. by teachers for students) is not permitted under “fair dealing” for private study or research (but may be permitted under SOAS's CLA licence: see below).
◾The purpose of the copying must be non-commercial private study or research. "Non-commercial" is not defined, but is believed to rule out any copying for direct or indirect commercial advantage: e.g. copying on behalf of a private sector employer. Many writers also believe that it excludes background research for books or articles for which a fee will be paid to the author.
◾The source of the copy must be acknowledged. This probably means recording at least the name of the author and the title on the photocopy if this is not already included.
◾The proportion of the work that is photocopied must not be “unfair” in terms of its impact on the copyright owner. There are no defined limits, but the amount that may be copied is usually accepted to be:
- One complete chapter or extracts of up to 5% of a book.
- One article from an issue of a journal or a periodical (e.g. a newspaper).
- Up to 10 pages of a poem, short story, or other short literary work, taken from a volume of short stories or poems.
- Up to 10% (maximum 20 pages) of a short book, report or pamphlet.
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Sources:
http://www.soas.ac.uk/infocomp/copyright/library/photocopying/
http://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/copyright/p27_work_of_others
 
I wonder if the fact that the item that may be copied is a reproduction of the OP's own photo makes any difference ? Fair enough AP would own the copyright to their content but do they own the copyright to the competition entries that were printed in it ? Was ownership signed away along with entry to the competition or was it more likely that a right to use the photo was granted by entering the comp ?

Regardless, well done Jan for offering wholly legal assistance. I wouldn't be surprised if the OP has been scared off though due to some of the responses to their simple question.
 
More to the point - aside from all the other issues being discussed here - can anyone actually help the OP find what they're looking for rather than spending a fortnight discussing anything but....
 
cymruchris said:
More to the point - aside from all the other issues being discussed here - can anyone actually help the OP find what they're looking for rather than spending a fortnight discussing anything but....
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:clap::clap::clap:
 
Larger libraries may have it archived. Big city libraries with a huge reference section I'm talking about, not your local one.
 
The only place guaranteed to have a copy of the magazine he's after is the British Newspaper Library at Colindale Avenue in north London. All publishers and distributors in the UK have a legal obligation to send one copy of each of their publications to the British Library within one month of publication.

Although seeing as he doesn't recall exactly which issue he needs, he'll likely have to sit and trawl through a few years worth to find the article or image he's looking for (if he can be bothered, that is). Even if he finds it, they won't let him take it away but they might let him photocopy it
 
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Stuart M said:
All publishers and distributors in the UK have a legal obligation to send one copy of each of their publications to the British Library within one month of publication.
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Good call, I forgot about that!!
 
Bah - that's who I meant rather than the British Library ( which does exactly the same for ISBN books)! :)
 
How exciting! I go away to watch football for a few days and it goes mad! Thanks for the advice - the main problem here is I have no idea the issue it was printed in so a trip to library is about the only way I guess. Unless someone has everyon AP in the 1980s and fancies idling....
 
By coincidence, in next week's AP is a letter from a chap with a huge hoard of old copies of AP and from the sound of it, he's trying to get rid of them. I doubt he'd go through them to find a particular article (but it might be worth asking!) but he might be happy to see if he has a specific issue (again, got to be worth asking.) The other option would be for the OP to take the whole collection on - the letter writer's in Tyne and Wear and collection would probably be the only sensible option for the whole shebang.

Data protection would probably prevent the magazine from simply handing over the gentleman's address/contact details but an e-mail enquiry could possibly be sent to him via the magazine. His name is Mark Patten and the magazine's e-mail address is amateurphotographer@ipcmedia.com . Pretty sure they'll have contact details - his is their letter of the week and so they'll have his address to send him the prize.

Good luck!
 
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