Walking a cat on a lead through the woods....

PsiFox said:
Sorry,bad explanation. The vet would be quite able to do so as the dog will obey me, however after the initial operation, before I had him fully trained the vet made a note on his file that he must be muzzled for future injections/ procedures. I blame the vets as 4 staff held the dog down whilst a fifth injected him. On my suggestion they now have a squeeze crate for large animals, resulting in less stress.

He is not used to a muzzle as I don't and never have owned one, so he is unwilling to let the vet put it on.

I can and have fitted it but it distresses him so the vet allows me to inject the dog instead.

I could acclimate him to wearing a muzzle but see no need to.
Simple really and keeps the dog unstressed.
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So what you are saying is the dog wouldn't behave himself at the vet but, with a bit of training, the problem could be solved?

Much the same as the OP's dog, presumably?

Too many on here of late quick to vilify people when, with deeper discussion, their own scenarios aren't actually that different :shake:
 
Simmotino said:
So what you are saying is the dog wouldn't behave himself at the vet but, with a bit of training, the problem could be solved?

Much the same as the OP's dog, presumably?

Too many on here of late quick to vilify people when, with deeper discussion, their own scenarios aren't actually that different :shake:
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The big difference is that he's developed a method of controlling the dog under the known circumstances that cause distress to the dog so as to prevent harm occurring. That requires three steps:
  1. Knowing and understanding the dog
  2. Understanding the control needed
  3. Implementing that control
These steps prevent harm, which is the whole point of the deeper discussion.
 
cat owner should carry a big stick to clout dog over the nose with if it comes over in a threatening manner.

We have a common area which I go for walks with our 7month old in her buggy and I hate it when you get a dog bounding over with the owner 30yards away calling it back and it paying no attention. A short sharp tap on the nose usually discourages them if they get too close, if they don't respond then a heavier 'tap' is usually administered and they tend to go scurrying back, the owners don't half get stroppy though.
 
If your dog was attacked by other dog, you would be singing a different tune.
 
I've seen cats walked on leads and even a ferret, but I can top that with the following image taken on a day out at Weston-super-Mare last year:

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A family walking their pet Guinea Pig on a lead with harness down the seafront...

No matter how well trained a dog is it would be hard to stop it running up to that and giving a firm hard shake.

I also agree that as much as you can train dogs to respond to your commands, there are natural instincts that are hard to entirely remove and some dogs are more responsive than others. In many cases a dog chasing a cat is more about the game than any real attempt to catch it - it's just instinct for them to run after anything that runs away from them.

Walking a cat through woods full of dog owners is a bad idea imho. Especially as in most situations dogs will be off their leads and a short distance from their owners.
 
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At the risk of being slated by know it all Dr Dolittles, I can say that my dog was worried by a bigger dog as a puppy and very rarely goes up to other dogs in the park. When he does it's generally only other cavaliers, so to suggest that dogs are unaffected by past experience is absurd. My other dog was a frequent flier at the vets due to corneal ulcer and joint problems and was fine with every single vet in the practice but one. This particular vet is one of the most unsympathetic vets I've ever come across and wasn't especially gentle with either of my dogs (I specifically make sure I don't book my dog in with that vet). The first operation to resolve the older dog's corneal ulcer was performed by this vet and ever since then he was incredibly uncooperative in the vet (but only with this vet). Now this was a dog that had been poked and prodded by many vets before and since without incident but he remembered this vet and did not trust him.

So I'm with the OP on this one, the cat owner should reconsider taking the cat to the park. Certainly at my local park there are hardly any dogs on a lead and there isn't any trouble, but it's unreasonable to expect to be able to take a cat there and have no problems.

Maybe in an ideal world we'd all have the dogs trained perfectly, but what's wrong with having a dog that's trained to walk to heel, come when he's called (most of the time) and just enjoy the dog without making it your bitch? As long as you're responsible (which I feel most dog owners are) where's the harm? I don't see why dog owners should be accused of being irresponsible (by holier than thou dog owners) when the cat on a string woman is being downright stupid!

Flame away.
 
neil_g said:
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Totally different ballgame if they are raised in the same home as I'm sure you know...but the fact remains if you can't control or account for your dog at all times, do not let it off the lead.
 
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I train dogs, and whilst I agree a dog should be trained and you can teach them to prefer you to a cat, I wonder if the owner of the cat has managed to train it not to react to the dog...:thinking:
 
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fabs said:
Do dogs have any idea of the concept of revenge? I think it's highly unlikely.

If a dog has been scratched by a cat, the dog is more likely to fear them in future. They would only attack if they felt threatened, which the wouldn't in they OP's scenario.
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No I dot think they do revenge either, but fear could manifest as a defensive attack Id suggest.
 
One of my pet hates, people who can't control their dogs off lead or on :bang::bang:
Having been owned by a very large GSD that wouldn't tolerate strange dogs running up to him and would attack I could right a book on the subject.
As for the bloody pack mentality, it don't work we are a different species and doghs don't look on us as alphas !!!!|
My boy was never on a lead but would do a down at any distance despite distractions, I had to get him that way, not easy but if I wanted to keep him it had to be done, by kindness and consistancy, used to get him to lie down and grab the offending dog :eek:
Put him on a lead and he turned into teeth on 4 paws, a bloody nightmare, off lead he looked to me for direction.
Oh and many years ago I used to walk my ferrets with dogs, they loved it, when tired hitched a ride on the dogs backs :lol:
 
Ive seen and know of many different animals being walked on leads, rabbits, cats, rats, ferrets, skunks, iguana's. If you are willing to train the animal to take to the harness/collar and lead then there is no reason why you cant walk it just like a dog. It sounds like some posters think only dogs and their owners should be allowed to walk in parks/woods etc. If its public land then anyone is welcome to walk their pet on it, regardless of what that pet is.

OP, you say your dog will go deaf and chase rabbits and squirrels (as well as cats). So why would you let your dog off lead in a wooded area where you frequently see these animals??
 
and another reason why you need to have control of your dog.

Pets Poisoned

I have always trained my dogs to give up anything on command for this very reason !!!
They have also been trained not to pick up and eat anything whilst out
 
If I read any more 'cesar milan' inspired pack dominance B'S I'm going to:bang::bat:

Think it best to ignore this and just ask people who are interested to Google Ian Dunbar and turid rugaas. And for a laugh watch 'the dog kicker'' on YouTube for the truth about CM and his 'whispering'.:shake:
 
Cesar milan is a twit - I hate the fact that my parents look up to him.
 
It wouldn't surprise me!!
 
Pack leaders, Alpha males, cats on leads, what ever next. :cuckoo:

Like to see what a cat does when it see's a mouse on a lead.

This cat walking person needs to be warned to let his/her cat out on its own and give it a fighting chance because not matter who's right or wrong in this silly argument that cat is getting very dead very soon.
 
Vantage said:
Pack leaders, Alpha males, cats on leads, what ever next. :cuckoo:

Like to see what a cat does when it see's a mouse on a lead.

This cat walking person needs to be warned to let his/her cat out on its own and give it a fighting chance because not matter who's right or wrong in this silly argument that cat is getting very dead very soon.
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So should we change the law and only allow Dogs and their Owners the use of parks and woods.

Maybe also barr Children on riegns, just to be on the safe side.
 
It's not the cat owners responsibility. Dog owners are legally responsible for their animals. If it won't listen to you, do not let it off the lead!

Simple solution is to talk to the cat owner and find out when they walk their cat and stop going out with your dog at those times. If it has cat issues then it is something you need to be working on anyway.
 
Vantage said:
Pack leaders, Alpha males, cats on leads, what ever next. :cuckoo:

Like to see what a cat does when it see's a mouse on a lead.

This cat walking person needs to be warned to let his/her cat out on its own and give it a fighting chance because not matter who's right or wrong in this silly argument that cat is getting very dead very soon.
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If its anything like our cats then nothing once they've chased it for a bit then got bored.. :lol:
 
Doesn't matter, mate. The cat will get it and there's nothing you or I can do about it because of the situation its been put in. On a lead. :bang:

'meant for The Greek'
 
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The Greek said:
So should we change the law and only allow Dogs and their Owners the use of parks and woods.

Maybe also barr Children on riegns, just to be on the safe side.
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No we should not change the law but like the OP stated he knows of loads of other dogs that go round there not on leads also.

But its a natural thing to do to chase play eat or what ever that dog wanbt to do with a cat rabbit squirrel or what ever, what he is saying is the next time the cat might not be so lucky.
Imagine someone that does not know the cat is out there and their dog runs over and mauls the cat to death because its on a lead whats the woman going to try and do, save the cat, which could end intears also.

Not everyone in the world that owns a dog has got it to do what ever they say, I owned a border collie, brainy dogs to say the least, it would do anything you asked it to, but no boubt if it ever could chase a cat it would.

Could also look at it another way, is this woman a glory seeker and wants her 15 minutes of fame by walking a cat in a very dog orientated area??? seems strange thing to do if you ask me.

spike
 
SpikeK6 said:
No we should not change the law but like the OP stated he knows of loads of other dogs that go round there not on leads also.

But its a natural thing to do to chase play eat or what ever that dog wanbt to do with a cat rabbit squirrel or what ever, what he is saying is the next time the cat might not be so lucky.
Imagine someone that does not know the cat is out there and their dog runs over and mauls the cat to death because its on a lead whats the woman going to try and do, save the cat, which could end intears also.

Not everyone in the world that owns a dog has got it to do what ever they say, I owned a border collie, brainy dogs to say the least, it would do anything you asked it to, but no boubt if it ever could chase a cat it would.

Could also look at it another way, is this woman a glory seeker and wants her 15 minutes of fame by walking a cat in a very dog orientated area??? seems strange thing to do if you ask me.

spike
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If a dog would happily maul a cat, where is the line? What's to say it would t maul a small dog? Then what?
 
SpikeK6 said:
No we should not change the law but like the OP stated he knows of loads of other dogs that go round there not on leads also.

But its a natural thing to do to chase play eat or what ever that dog wanbt to do with a cat rabbit squirrel or what ever, what he is saying is the next time the cat might not be so lucky.
Imagine someone that does not know the cat is out there and their dog runs over and mauls the cat to death because its on a lead whats the woman going to try and do, save the cat, which could end intears also.

Not everyone in the world that owns a dog has got it to do what ever they say, I owned a border collie, brainy dogs to say the least, it would do anything you asked it to, but no boubt if it ever could chase a cat it would.

Could also look at it another way, is this woman a glory seeker and wants her 15 minutes of fame by walking a cat in a very dog orientated area??? seems strange thing to do if you ask me.

spike
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Fair Point and well made! Understand what the OP is saying now.
 
neil_g said:
If a dog would happily maul a cat, where is the line? What's to say it would t maul a small dog? Then what?
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The small dog wouldn't be so self important to provoke it like a cats would :lol:
 
Sounds like the arguments for ghettoism though. Don't walk your cat in a strong dog area.

Cat would run straight up the owner for safety or the nearest tree out of the way at the first hint of dog. Dog wouldn't catch it.
 
As a matter of interest how big is the cat in question ?

Many years ago I went out with a girl who had a cat which was half skog cat and half maine coone , and the blinking thing was massive (we can leave all the big pussy jokes at the door, thankyou :lol: )

If we'd let it out on its own it would have started a big cat scare so it used to get walked on a lead , and any dog that messed with it would have come off very much the worse, lead or not
 
big soft moose said:
As a matter of interest how big is the cat in question ?

Many years ago I went out with a girl who had a cat which was half skog cat and half maine coone , and the blinking thing was massive (we can leave all the big pussy jokes at the door, thankyou :lol: )

If we'd let it out on its own it would have started a big cat scare so it used to get walked on a lead , and any dog that messed with it would have come off very much the worse, lead or not
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Dad used to have a Maine coone but it was deaf as a post. He used to get scratched to hell by accidentally scaring it :lol:
 
Have I missed the answer........but do we actually know why the woman was walking her cat on a lead?

I can't say I'm interested in supporting either argument as I have a dog and have had cats. Only the dog has ever been walked on a lead.

Curious though:shrug:

Oh - and for the PC/equal opportunity/anti dog/anti cat etc contingent I don't object to cats on leads or stroppy dogs..........I would, however, take delight in repaying the poster who suggested hitting the dog on the head with a stick with a swift kick up the a**e:bat:
 
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