W10 update to W11 sooner than anticipated?

JonathanRyan said:
Here you go. You can choose not to upgrade for only £30.

www.theregister.com

Windows 10 gets a year's reprieve – for a $30 fee

: MIcrosoft extends its Extended Security Updates club to consumers, at last
www.theregister.com www.theregister.com
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Sounds like a "watch this space" come the middle of 2025. Unless(?) W11 uptake 'takes off!

PS I heard on the news this morning that Intel is suffering as they are so far behind the curve re: AI and other market shifts :thinking:
 
I think there may be so many Win10 machines that will not qualify for the upgrade, that it will be an environmental and PR nightmare if so many perfectly working machines are thrown into landfill, only because of Microsoft's seemingly arbitrary Win11 spec needs. Or if they go ahead with this, there may be a major security problem with unsupported Win10 machines for those that carry on using them.

Or more likely, they will delay the deadline, and/or lower the need for the TMP aspect.

That they are offering a paid way for people to carry receiving security updates means that they could carry on doing that for everyone, but have chosen not to.

If there is enough people affected, and protesting about it, the Government may step in, and they don't want that.

Of course if they made Win11 amazing, people would have been rushing to upgrade, as it is they are forcing people to change, and that never goes well.
 
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ChrisR said:
For one year only... unless of course we complain sufficiently for them to extend it!
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I'd assume it's an annual fee. If enough people buy it they will probably continue for future years.

redhed17 said:
I think there may be so many Win10 machines that will not qualify for the upgrade, that it will be an environmental and PR nightmare if so many perfectly working machines are thrown into landfill, only because of Microsoft's seemingly arbitrary Win11 spec needs.
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Dunno - most companies churn their laptops every 3 years already. Win 11 compliant machine shave been available (and pretty much standard) for a while. Home users generally care less about the "dangers" of unsupported machines.

I work with a volunteer group that recycles electrical devices. One person brought me 4 laptops this morning. Talking to a group that's been established longer than ours, laptops are pretty common devices to be handed in. Ours don't g to landfill but people seem to change them more often than you think
 
I've found my Dell laptop can't be forced to upgrade to 11 even with registry mod and using the rufus trick.
It would probably do it if I did complete wipe and install but that will take several days to get back to how it is so won't be happening in a rush.
The problem is you might get around or sideline the TPM rule etc but some processors aren't supported either.
As mentioned up thread it's pretty annoying to have a quite high spec machine about 5 years old they would have you dump to landfill due to qute arbitrary restrictions.
And when Windows 10 came out they said it would be the last version of Windows which would just keep being upgraded for the foreseeable future.
If it's running Windows 10 without tpm 2.0 how is it risky on W11 without TPM2.0
 
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4wd said:
I've found my Dell laptop can't be forced to upgrade to 11 even with registry mod and using the rufus trick.
It would probably do it if I did complete wipe and install but that will take several days to get back to how it is so won't be happening in a rush.
The problem is you might get around or sideline the TPM rule etc but some processors aren't supported either.
As mentioned up thread it's pretty annoying to have a quite high spec machine about 5 years old they would have you dump to landfill due to qute arbitrary restrictions.
And when Windows 10 came out they said it would be the last version of Windows which would just keep being upgraded for the foreseeable future.
If it's running Windows 10 without tpm 2.0 how is it risky on W11 without TPM2.0
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No Microsoft never said that, it was a single comment at an event by one individual.

Cyber security threats are higher than they've ever been and the best way to protect a system is to have any many links as possible at improved security levels. 5 years is old in PC terms, always has been, and other operating systems are available if you don't want to use Windows, nobody is tied to that OS and Linux is pretty user friendly these days.


It's like turning phone lines digital or remove elad from car fuels - periodically things change to move forward and it causes some short term disruption for some groups.
 
LancsMak said:
If people don't want Windows 11 then Linux is a viable alternative for many things these days, but there is a learning/adjustment curve. At the end of the day W10 is nearly 10 years old. I certainly wouldn't go circumventing things on a W11 install to save a few quid.

For those fancying Linux, Mint is a good version ("distro") to have a play with.
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It's not a 'few quid' though. I'll need a new laptop - and I'll want one that has decent storage for all my photos. So, might be quite a lot of few quids!
 
I've had a read through this thread and to my knowledge I've not had a warning that W10 on my 4 year old PC is soon going to become obsolete. I get periodic "suggestions"/requests to upgrade to W11, but that's it.

So is this a scare story or a scam? Could someone explain it to me please?
 
jerry12953 said:
I've had a read through this thread and to my knowledge I've not had a warning that W10 on my 4 year old PC is soon going to become obsolete. I get periodic "suggestions"/requests to upgrade to W11, but that's it.

So is this a scare story or a scam? Could someone explain it to me please?
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Sadly not a scam.

When Microsoft released Win11 in Oct 2021, one of the requirements was for the device to have a TPM 2.0 (Trusted Platform Module) chip on the motherboard. There have been with discussions over whether they were legitimately intended to improve the security of Windows, or as a ploy to force customers to newer devices, whilst at the same time forcing the adoption of Win11, something that has been slow to be embraced by PC users.

According to this article;

The overall share of Windows 10 users now sits at 60.95 percent, which is down 1.8 percentage points from the last survey, while the overall share of Windows 11 users has increased by 2.13 percentage points to 35.55 percent.
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Also, Microsoft only officially supports Win11 on devices using an eighth-generation Intel Core CPU or newer (with some minor exceptions), a second-generation AMD Ryzen CPU and some ARM CPU's.

Add those things together, the 'need' for the TPM chip, and the inability to upgrade with an older CPU, and there will probably be a huge number of that 60.95% Win10 users unable to upgrade to Win11. Some reports have seen internal Microsoft data which says that Win11 is on 400million machines, so that means there could be about 800million Win10 machines still being used, the majority of which will become insecure in a years time, if Microsoft continue with their plans, and unless users are unwilling to pay for continued support. And I think that support has only been said for 3 years so far, and some reports say that cost may increase each year.

That is a whole lot of computers, conservatively many 100's of millions, that could potentially suddenly become e-waste. :eek::(

Hope that clarifies things. :)

And if I have made any mistakes, please point them out. ;)
 
redhed17 said:
Sadly not a scam.

When Microsoft released Win11 in Oct 2021, one of the requirements was for the device to have a TPM 2.0 (Trusted Platform Module) chip on the motherboard. There have been with discussions over whether they were legitimately intended to improve the security of Windows, or as a ploy to force customers to newer devices, whilst at the same time forcing the adoption of Win11, something that has been slow to be embraced by PC users.

According to this article;



Also, Microsoft only officially supports Win11 on devices using an eighth-generation Intel Core CPU or newer (with some minor exceptions), a second-generation AMD Ryzen CPU and some ARM CPU's.

Add those things together, the 'need' for the TPM chip, and the inability to upgrade with an older CPU, and there will probably be a huge number of that 60.95% Win10 users unable to upgrade to Win11. Some reports have seen internal Microsoft data which says that Win11 is on 400million machines, so that means there could be about 800million Win10 machines still being used, the majority of which will become insecure in a years time, if Microsoft continue with their plans, and unless users are unwilling to pay for continued support. And I think that support has only been said for 3 years so far, and some reports say that cost may increase each year.

That is a whole lot of computers, conservatively many 100's of millions, that could potentially suddenly become e-waste. :eek::(

Hope that clarifies things. :)

And if I have made any mistakes, please point them out. ;)
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Thanks!
 
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