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As the title says, 11pm BBC1, Imagine... Vivian Maier: Who Took Nanny's Pictures?

If it is the same documentary I've seen before it is a fascinating programme about an unusual person, but gifted Photographer. Worth a look. :)

There have been threads about her life and pictures over the last few weeks, but if I just added this 'heads up' onto the end of a previous thread, some people wouldn't see it.
 
They way the prints have been processed and printed are a major part of why the photos look so good.Black and white printed to a very high standard always looks good.
 
Black and white printed to a very high standard always looks good.
'always'? I could show you some stinkers that would still be poor no matter how they were printed.

Good printing can enhance an image, but it won't make a poor/good image into a great one.
 
Thanks for the heads up.. Great documentary this one and one I've wanted to watch again for a while :thumbs:
 
As the title says, 11pm BBC1, Imagine... Vivian Maier: Who Took Nanny's Pictures?

If it is the same documentary I've seen before it is a fascinating programme about an unusual person, but gifted Photographer. Worth a look. :)

There have been threads about her life and pictures over the last few weeks, but if I just added this 'heads up' onto the end of a previous thread, some people wouldn't see it.
I saw this when it was first broadcast but I watched it again last night.
One thing I thought was rather provocative was the sub- title "Who took Nanny's pictures?"
I initially thought they were questioning if she actually took the pictures herself, but there was nothing in the programme to support such an allegation.
I've now come to think it means "who took her pictures after they were auctioned?" but it's rather ambiguous.
It reminded me that the John Maloof documentary "Finding Vivian Maier" is still showing in London, so I'm going to try and drag myself along to a showing.

I'm not yet entirely convinced that she was such a fantastic photographer, but her work gives us a fascinating insight into past times, and as such, is a vital historic record.
 
I really like her work,and think she was a really good photographer her only problem was she has never been able edit her own work,and take out the stuff she didn't like,how many other great photographer work do we get to see everything ?

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'always'? I could show you some stinkers that would still be poor no matter how they were printed.

Good printing can enhance an image, but it won't make a poor/good image into a great one.
I think most of her photos where rubbish if you look at how many were taken and then how many are any good (1%)j.The only reason it gets the airplay is because it's a nice little tale and as I say the best 1% of the photos have been printed by the best possible master printers.

I have seen this done before where black and white prints are printed by an average printer and they look OK. But then they are handed over to a master printer and the same prints look 10x better .Black and white is a lot easier to impress with than colour.That is why most street photography is done in Black and white, otherwise it just looks like a snap.

It's just an orchestrated television program that has been produced to make money for it's producers. I don't think she was that much of a good photographer,more a bit of an eccentric which in life carries no weight but in death has some strange allure(Van Gogh). Still it is worth watching just to see how strange see was.
 
I think most of her photos where rubbish if you look at how many were taken and then how many are any good (1%)j.The only reason it gets the airplay is because it's a nice little tale and as I say the best 1% of the photos have been printed by the best possible master printers.

I have seen this done before where black and white prints are printed by an average printer and they look OK. But then they are handed over to a master printer and the same prints look 10x better .Black and white is a lot easier to impress with than colour.That is why most street photography is done in Black and white, otherwise it just looks like a snap.

It's just an orchestrated television program that has been produced to make money for it's producers. I don't think she was that much of a good photographer,more a bit of an eccentric which in life carries no weight but in death has some strange allure(Van Gogh). Still it is worth watching just to see how strange see was.

Thats a bit like saying,because i got an 36mp camera and good at pp my photographer are going to be better :confused:
 
It's an opinion. :) Not one I agree with, but there you go, if we all thought/liked the same things it would be a very boring World. :D

I don't know what percentage of her images are perceived as being very good, but I wish 1% of my pics were received so well. ;)

I think most peoples best images are hopefully edited/processed to look the best they can be. :thinking: Are yours not? In this case the originator is not the person choosing or editing the images that are shown. The images that are edited and shown are from the perspective of the current owners/curators, and may or may not be a representative of the whole collection, and may not even be what Vivian Maier considered her best. If she even thought of her images in that way. We'll never know.

As for being B&W, I would think the vast majority of her images were taken that way because of the era they were taken in.

I liked a lot of her images, some will not. Que sera sera. :)
 
I think most of her photos where rubbish if you look at how many were taken and then how many are any good (1%)j.The only reason it gets the airplay is because it's a nice little tale and as I say the best 1% of the photos have been printed by the best possible master printers.
If you say 1% of her pictures were good then you've obviously seen a lot more of her 100,000+ images than I have, so I bow to your superior knowledge.
However, from the selection shown in the documentary, I would say that in photographic terms they are variable, both in technical and artistic quality.

I have seen this done before where black and white prints are printed by an average printer and they look OK. But then they are handed over to a master printer and the same prints look 10x better .Black and white is a lot easier to impress with than colour.That is why most street photography is done in Black and white, otherwise it just looks like a snap.
As pointed out above by redhed 17, the images are B&W because that was the norm for the era, [especially in larger format (rollfim) sizes].
It appears that only a relatively limited number of her images were printed at the time of taking, and many of those were in small sizes.
Given her reclusive nature, it's unlikely that Vivian Maier would have been aware of high quality printing, and remember that in the 60's & 70's there was not the proliferation of photo galleries and exhibitions that there is today, so it's unlikely she would have visited many exhibitions to give her any ideas as to what was possible.
Regarding editing, I think she would have regarded the act of taking a shot enough justification in itself. In other words if it was worth taking it was worth printing & viewing.
If she was as impoverished as has been suggested, she simply couldn't afford to have many of her images printed, but the fact she had taken the image was sufficient to satisfy her.
There are even reports of rolls of undeveloped film amongst the collection that was auctioned.
It would appear that Vivian's interest was mainly in taking the photographs, and she seems to be less interested in the results than the act.
The expression "Street Photography" had not been invented when she was taking her photos and I think she was more concerned with documenting everyday life than creating "art."

However, all this is conjecture, and now she has passed no one is ever going to know her true motives, which is what makes her such an interesting enigma.

Plus, I think we all like to see photographs of a bygone era, which is one reason I believe we should keep up the tradition of documentary photography alive, since the commonplace today will be the history of tomorrow, even if it has no artistic merit.

It's just an orchestrated television program that has been produced to make money for it's producers. I don't think she was that much of a good photographer,more a bit of an eccentric which in life carries no weight but in death has some strange allure(Van Gogh). Still it is worth watching just to see how strange see was.
I'm not sure about making money for it's producers.
As a BBC program, it has already been financed by you and I as licence payers.
It may earn the corporation some return if they licence it to another network elsewhere, otherwise there is no financial incentive in making such a documentary.

As to whether she was "strange" then that is down to the interpretation of the individual viewer.
I have always felt self-conscious when pointing a camera at another person, but despite her apparently secretive and reclusive nature, Vivian Maier does not appear to have any embarrassment in doing so.
Which one of us is the more "strange"?
 
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Maybe, like a lot of photographers, she didn't think her pictures were any good? nowadays they just clutter up our hard-drives.
 
Maybe, like a lot of photographers, she didn't think her pictures were any good? nowadays they just clutter up our hard-drives.

From the sound of it, she just liked to take pictures. A lot of her pics were not developed. Whether she couldn't afford it, or used what money she had for more film to take pics I don't know.

I think if she were alive I doubt anyone would have seen her pics because it was something she did for herself. And that seemed enough for her.
 
Prompted by this discussion, and the fact it was also on my "To Do" list, today I went to see the John Maloof film "Finding Vivian Maier" and it's changed my view of her somewhat.
"Finding Vivian Maier" is a much more in depth look at her than the Alan Yentob "Imagine" programme, which seems thrown together by comparison, although there are several people that appear in both films.
In the movie they talk to a lot of people who actually knew her, from people to whom she was nanny to people who actually employed her, and these people gave quite an insight into her character.
She was a bit of an enigma even in the 70's and 80's. One person who asked her how she liked to be addressed said she replied "Just call me Vivian" whereas another said "Oh we could never call her Vivian, she was always "Miss Maier." A bit like Shakespeare, she spelled her name several different ways, and even told some people her name was "Smith." When one person asked her what her job was she said "I'm a sort of spy..."
In terms of personality, one person she worked for said "We knew she was crazy when we hired her, but she just got a bit too crazy, so we had to ask her to leave."

John Maloof bought a batch of her negatives at auction, and has subsequently bought more from other people, in addition to thousands of other, non-photographic items that were also being stored for her, and were not mentioned in the "Imagine" film.
At one point he says he has "about 100,000 negatives, plus about 2,000 rolls of undeveloped film" although it's not suggested what percentage this is of the total.
He said they are working through and developing the film in batches, but they are taking great care to get the chemical mix correct.
As well as her 2 1/4" square Rollieflex images there is a lot of 35mm stock, some of it colour slides, and also movies and cassette tapes of her talking and even interviewing people like a news reporter.
Maloof does not give the impression he's trying to make a lot of money from the project, but says they must inevitably sell prints in order to raise money for the future, and pay for the processing and printing.
He says he just wants to get Vivian recognised as a great photographer.

Although she was born in New York, her mother was French and she visited her home village several times. There was a photographer in the village where she had some of her negatives printed.
She liked the results and wrote the photographer a letter saying she would like him to print more of her photos, saying "I have a lot and I think they are pretty good pictures" so it would appear that she not only wanted her work to be seen, she was also aware that it was good.
From what was shown of her images in the film, I think that her negatives appear to be technically excellent, well exposed tonally and correctly focussed and framed.

I was much more impressed by "Finding Vivian Maier" than I was the BBC "Imagine" TV programme.
Hopefully the film will find it's way onto TV at some point and be available to a wider audience, or else be released as a DVD.

If you have any interest in Vivian Maier I would urge you to try and see this film, it's a much more 'In Depth' analysis than the BBC documentary, and goes a lot further into revealing more about her character, although nearly everyone they spoke to agreed that she was a bit "strange."
I'm not sure how much longer it will be showing in London.
It's only at a small screen and there were only a handful of people there today, so based on demand, I would think it won't be around much longer.
 
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The DVD has a pre-order date with Amazon of 10th November so definately one I'll be looking to pre-order :thumbs:
 
I've seen both. To be fair though, Maloof refused to be in the BBC film and refused to provide image releases for the images he bought.

Botney does get on my wick though.
 
I've seen both. To be fair though, Maloof refused to be in the BBC film and refused to provide image releases for the images he bought.

Not unreasonable, and they did say why in the Imagine programme, although they said "declined" which sounds more polite.
 
Saw the BBC documentary a little while ago. Saw the film the other night in Norwich. I really enjoyed it. As someone has already said, the film goes into a lot more depth that the BBC programme.

I do like her work. It certainly has a uniqueness to it (in my eyes anyway)

Has anyone seen Ted Forbes views on Vivian Maier? Sorry if this has already been mentioned but here it is:

 
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