Vaping and driving

nilagin said:
Disabled drivers should have their cars modified to enable them to drive safely.
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Maybe they should, but what does the law dictate?

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You're still avoiding the fact the original statement under discussion was that taking one hand off the steering wheel should be against the law, no exclusions or caveats were listed...
 
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Dave1 said:
Maybe they should, but what does the law dictate?

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You're still avoiding the fact the original statement under discussion was that taking one hand off the steering wheel should be against the law, no exclusions or caveats were listed...
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I have since answered you on this,or do you choose what you want to see.:woot::eek::dummy:
 
My thoughts exactly.:D
 
jockwav said:
I have since answered you on this,or do you choose what you want to see.:woot::eek::dummy:
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You haven't actually (unless you are now changing your original statement?), but irrespective, it was actually a comment to the person I quoted (that's how forum posting works)...
 
Dave1 said:
Maybe they should, but what does the law dictate?

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You're still avoiding the fact the original statement under discussion was that taking one hand off the steering wheel should be against the law, no exclusions or caveats were listed...
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i think we all knew what he meant, but the pedants knee jerked a little.

maybe it's time to change the nicotine patch.. ;)
 
neil_g said:
i think we all knew what he meant, but the pedants knee jerked a little.

maybe it's time to change the nicotine patch.. ;)
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Never smoked, Neil, but sometimes it's fun to help a "debate" run when someone makes a silly comment ;).

I couldn't care less if a person is allowed to vape or smoke while they drive tbh :p
 
Back in my car ownership days, I used to have this habit of resting my left hand on the gear knob with the right hand still holding to the wheel whenever I am travelling along those long sweeping A-type roads, this way I can be as relaxed as I can rather than being all tensed up. However, I had to train myself to break out of that habit not because I should always have both hands on the wheel, but apparently putting some weight on the gear lever can cause more wear and wear to the gearing system. Not sure how true that is, but it certainly did the trick in my case!
 
My driving instructor back in the day told me it wore the thrust bearings, whatever they are.
 
Dave1 said:
You haven't actually (unless you are now changing your original statement?), but irrespective, it was actually a comment to the person I quoted (that's how forum posting works)...
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WHATEVER
 
jockwav said:
WHATEVER
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jockwav said:
I don,t think it should be allowed,taking one hand off the steering wheel, should not be allowed.
What is the difference eating with one hand on the wheel or vaping,it is time the law changed.:police:
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So how the hell do you change gear?
I'm sorry, but you just don't need both hands on the steering wheel at all times.

I very often drive with just one hand, knowing that I have a second hand available in a split second.
I've not had an accident in 25 years.
 
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Ok i think this has been done now.
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Dave1 said:
Maybe they should, but what does the law dictate?

PS

You're still avoiding the fact the original statement under discussion was that taking one hand off the steering wheel should be against the law, no exclusions or caveats were listed...
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It wasn't my statement, but it was blindingly obvious what was meant.
 
Ian D J said:
Back in my car ownership days, I used to have this habit of resting my left hand on the gear knob with the right hand still holding to the wheel whenever I am travelling along those long sweeping A-type roads, this way I can be as relaxed as I can rather than being all tensed up. However, I had to train myself to break out of that habit not because I should always have both hands on the wheel, but apparently putting some weight on the gear lever can cause more wear and wear to the gearing system. Not sure how true that is, but it certainly did the trick in my case!
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john.margetts said:
My driving instructor back in the day told me it wore the thrust bearings, whatever they are.
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Unless you're wearing some sort of medieval gauntlet, resting your hand on a gear knob is negligible weight and won't have any effect on a gearbox thrust bearing.
 
ecoleman said:
So how the hell do you change gear?
I'm sorry, but you just don't need both hands on the steering wheel at all times.

I very often drive with just one hand, knowing that I have a second hand available in a split second.
I've not had an accident in 25 years.
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Just 30 in the previous two. ;)
 
nilagin said:
I think if someone only has one arm, it's fairly obvious the car would need modifications.
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Trying not to stir old jock up any further, but the serious answer is there is no legal requirement to have adaptions if you only have one arm.
 
Same as driving whilst drinking from a can of Stella (other alcoholic beverages are available) isn't an offence. :-)
 
Dave1 said:
Trying not to stir old jock up any further, but the serious answer is there is no legal requirement to have adaptions if you only have one arm.
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A lot of necessary features of a car to enable safe driving for the driver and other road users, couldn't be used if the car wasn't modified. No one mentioned the legality of whether a car has to be modified, but as it would prove very difficult and unsafe to drive as such, the motorist will have his licence taken away fairly quickly.
 
nilagin said:
A lot of necessary features of a car to enable safe driving for the driver and other road users, couldn't be used if the car wasn't modified. No one mentioned the legality of whether a car has to be modified, but as it would prove very difficult and unsafe to drive as such, the motorist will have his licence taken away fairly quickly.
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A one armed person would be able to drive an auto fairly well (and I've seen such people drive one perfectly well with one arm), the only common adaption is the steering ball (but it isn't mandatory) and they wouldn't have their their licence taken away simply for driving a standard car with one arm.

If they dropped below the required standard of driving they would be prosecuted under the same legislation as a 2 armed driver who drove badly, i.e. Driving while not in proper control (a person using a vape machine in a manner to affect his/her driving could already be prosecuted under the same section).
 
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Dave1 said:
A one armed person would be able to drive an auto fairly well (and I've seen such people drive one perfectly well with one arm), the only common adaption is the steering ball (but it isn't mandatory) and they wouldn't have their their licence taken away simply for driving a standard car with one arm.

If they dropped below the required standard of driving they would be prosecuted under the same legislation as a 2 armed driver who drove badly, i.e. Driving while not in proper control (a person using a vape machine in a manner to affect his/her driving could already be prosecuted under the same section).
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Cars have the indicator stalk on one side of the steering wheel and the wipers/screen washer on the opposite side, it would be very difficult and dangerous trying to operate those with just one arm and trying to steer. It won't be long before they have or cause an accident due to such stupidity.
 
nilagin said:
Cars have the indicator stalk on one side of the steering wheel and the wipers/screen washer on the opposite side, it would be very difficult and dangerous trying to operate those with just one arm and trying to steer. It won't be long before they have or cause an accident due to such stupidity.
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And yet somehow people manage...

If it was as likely to end as badly as you think parliament would have legislated against it by now.
 
Dave1 said:
And yet somehow people manage...

If it was as likely to end as badly as you think parliament would have legislated against it by now.
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Perhaps they don't figure anyone would be such a t*** and try.
 
nilagin said:
Cars have the indicator stalk on one side of the steering wheel and the wipers/screen washer on the opposite side, it would be very difficult and dangerous trying to operate those with just one arm and trying to steer. It won't be long before they have or cause an accident due to such stupidity.
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They drive BMWs. No need for indicators or dipped beam...
 
anything that takes your hands and atention or eyes from the driving is stupid.
smoking is stupid anyway, vaping is close to stupid
 
jockwav said:
I don,t think it should be allowed,taking one hand off the steering wheel, should not be allowed.
What is the difference eating with one hand on the wheel or vaping,it is time the law changed.:police:
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Well we better all drive automatics with auto headlights no radios etc. Nor have a drink for two hours ;)

There is nothing wrong with those situations unfortunately like with many things in live a minority of people aren't sensible with it. Don't think banning all that is a sensible approach.
 
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Nod said:
They drive BMWs. No need for indicators or dipped beam...
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Or the Ford focus or Galaxy mums on the school run. Coming out of the side roads with full throttle and heads turned to the children in the back.
 
A few years back I got a call from my local garage owner asking if I could to some MOT runs for him to the MOT place 5 miles up the road.
One of the cars I bought back was a lovely old split screen Morris !000, no ABS, no power steering and NO indicators
0 to 30 eventually if you were brave enough and half a mile to stop (ok so I'm exaggerating a bit) and double de-clutching
Luckily although not a legal requirement I was taught hand signals when learning to drive, this did entail having only one had on the
wheel for quite a while, which didn't worry me that much.
Drivers today have life so easy with all the mod cons, one wonders how you would all cope if things went wrong and you suddenly had to drive a car on your own
judgement without all the add ons. and far more people smoked back then
 
I wonder when it happened that we got so lazy and for many people the reaction is to just ban everything they don't agree with. As dave mentioned earlier the lawsame are already there to deal with a situation is you are not in control of a vehicle.

I just don't get these extreme reactions people have.
 
dejongj said:
I wonder when it happened that we got so lazy and for many people the reaction is to just ban everything they don't agree with. As dave mentioned earlier the laws are already there to deal with a situation is you are not in control of a vehicle.

I just don't get these extreme reactions people have.
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Along with the blame society, if there isn't a law saying you shouldn't do it, then it's not your fault if you do something stupid just because it's legal.
People moan about a NANNY state but seem unable to take responsibility for their own actions.
I had the same response regarding using lights in poor visibility, there is no law to say you have to but common sense says it's safer, but till the
law changes why should they.?
Common sense seems to be a thing of the past, hence why we have so many laws these days for things they shouldn't be needed for
 
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dejongj said:
Which nicely demonstrates the point - I think it is much safer to just use them all the time. Like when the sun shines, and have the sun behind you. Lights aren't just there to see, but also to be seen. Just a little appreciation of the situation and common sense is all that is required.
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That's very much an "each to their own" decision.
I use them in inclement weather, but find it utterly pointless (and annoying) when cars are zipping around on a bright sunny day. :-)
 
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