V. SPOOKY AND ABSOLUTELY GENUINE MISSING PERSON SHOT:

I have been watching this for a few days now and I really don't have a logical explination.
As a part time ghost hunter ( I neither believe nor dis-believe) I am inclinded to say its a " trick of the light" though.
The problem you have is absolutely proving she was in that shot in the first place.
Now I know in your mind that she undoubtedly was, but its everyone else on here that you have to convince. ( rightly or wrongly)
What would be cool was if you had 2 indentical shots one with M-I-L
and the other sans M-I-L
I guess this will go down in the annuls of your family history as one of lifes great un-explained mysteries :thumbs:
 
Although you seem adiment that you havent hoaxed this, and you may of not hoaxed it, but we don't know do we.... at this stage.

But don't go mental at me, i personally believe there is a paranormal explination to this just as humans do not know as much as we actually think we do.
 
Cobra said:
I have been watching this for a few days now and I really don't have a logical explination.
As a part time ghost hunter ( I neither believe nor dis-believe) I am inclinded to say its a " trick of the light" though.
The problem you have is absolutely proving she was in that shot in the first place.
Now I know in your mind that she undoubtedly was, but its everyone else on here that you have to convince. ( rightly or wrongly)
What would be cool was if you had 2 indentical shots one with M-I-L
and the other sans M-I-L
I guess this will go down in the annuls of your family history as one of lifes great un-explained mysteries :thumbs:
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Many thanks for an intelligent comment Cobra, it's sad that so many of the remarks posted are pointless, self indulgent clap-trap.
 
What you want us to say Ivor?...We all know the answer but were not going to tell you?

I think its quite clear that a few of us here don't really know the cause...but are making suggestions. But getting grotty isn't really going to encourage people to help.

People are making suggestions with light hearted banter thrown in for good measure.

The time I've been here I've never found it offensive and therefore there is no need to start getting snooty because someone makes a suggestion that you don't necessarily agree with.
 
make a poll, see who thinks its real and who thinks its fake :)
 
Seems like a glitch in the Matrix. They were probably updating their display drivers at the time.
 
davidbridges said:
make a poll, see who thinks its real and who thinks its fake :)
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Not sure it's worth a poll on that question DB

Many are not saying Ivor's shown us a fake, just that we're not giving it any preternatural meaning that's all

I don't think he's 'faked' it, but nor (given the explanation) can I explain it either - I'm just sure there's a sound explanation we don't know, that's all

:shake:

DD
 
DiddyDave said:
Not sure it's worth a poll on that question DB

Many are not saying Ivor's shown us a fake, just that we're not giving it any preternatural meaning that's all

I don't think he's 'faked' it, but nor (given the explanation) can I explain it either - I'm just sure there's a sound explanation we don't know, that's all

:shake:

DD
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[S1] Hells teeth! I agree with DD! [/S1]
 
''Just don't make a habit of it ''
[DD Quote]
Funny because the room where the picture was taken used to be part of a monastery...
:nuts:
 
davidbridges said:
Although you seem adiment that you havent hoaxed this, and you may of not hoaxed it, but we don't know do we.... at this stage.

But don't go mental at me, i personally believe there is a paranormal explination to this just as humans do not know as much as we actually think we do.
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Cheers David, I entirely agree with both of your points :thumbs:
 
'This 15th century Tudor manor house, which was once a school for girls, is said to be haunted by a former matron and nanny, who was found hanging in her bedroom, which is now situated over the bar. She is renowned for pacing the corridors, checking that the girls are behaving.'

I've checked and : The photograph in question was taken immediately below where that bedroom used to be....
 
So M-I-L is a reincarnationof the matron?:thinking:


Logical explanation.
 
My background is in professional photography, and among my 'scientific' interests parnormal investigation rates quite highly, I have examined over the years numerous instances of 'paranormal' photographs and usually found them to be lacking in anything paranormal and or inexplicable. Anyway I would like to look at the negative as the images you have posted are of very limmited use, but I think that would be impractical for several reasons.

I would be intersted in a copy of the negative, done by a professional lab, or a high resolution scan of the negative (whole) and of the area of interest. if you are in a postition to have a high reslution scan of the neg, then this needs to be around 10-20 mb files please.

I'll pm my details to you if you are interested.

regards
 
llonen said:
My background is in professional photography, and among my 'scientific' interests parnormal investigation rates quite highly, I have examined over the years numerous instances of 'paranormal' photographs and usually found them to be lacking in anything paranormal and or inexplicable. Anyway I would like to look at the negative as the images you have posted are of very limmited use, but I think that would be impractical for several reasons.

I would be intersted in a copy of the negative, done by a professional lab, or a high resolution scan of the negative (whole) and of the area of interest. if you are in a postition to have a high reslution scan of the neg, then this needs to be around 10-20 mb files please.

I'll pm my details to you if you are interested.

regards
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Seems legit, nothing to loose if you simply pass a copy?

Gary.
 
Hi Ivor!

Found this thread yesterday and been thinking about it.

I'm going to assume it's not a hoax as you've said so and maintained so. So... what's happened?

My guess is she's simply not been recorded on film. Look at the exposure diff between the bride in white near to light source and MiL way over where light falling off. Also she in shadow of that hat (black), other bodies and something tha FiL seems to be waving around (menu, order of service, the Guardian?) Exposure latitude probably too wide for your film.

Or rather... for how the neg was printed! You don't say (or I didn't read) who or how the print was made or if the posted pic is a scan from the neg. What film were you using because there is a possibility that it has recorded some detail. I suggest you re-scan the neg but this time scan for the shadow detail not average or highlights If there is detail on the neg you may be able to recover her, combine the two images and have the lady back sufficiently to prove she was with you when the hotel safe got burgled!
 
barsbyart said:
Hi Ivor!

Found this thread yesterday and been thinking about it.

I'm going to assume it's not a hoax as you've said so and maintained so. So... what's happened?

My guess is she's simply not been recorded on film. Look at the exposure diff between the bride in white near to light source and MiL way over where light falling off. Also she in shadow of that hat (black), other bodies and something tha FiL seems to be waving around (menu, order of service, the Guardian?) Exposure latitude probably too wide for your film.

Or rather... for how the neg was printed! You don't say (or I didn't read) who or how the print was made or if the posted pic is a scan from the neg. What film were you using because there is a possibility that it has recorded some detail. I suggest you re-scan the neg but this time scan for the shadow detail not average or highlights If there is detail on the neg you may be able to recover her, combine the two images and have the lady back sufficiently to prove she was with you when the hotel safe got burgled!
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Hi, I am going to try and get a high quality scan of the neg but this may take a few days. However I can't agree that there wasn't enough light on the subject as the flash light was sufficient to show the pad and pen, which was on the table in the next room.
Not only that, the MIL was wearing light blue [see my earlier post].
Cheers, Many thanks for your comments :|
 
Being sensible for a change I'll put this idea into the pot..

I can see the man next to MIL is talking straight ahead towards the shadow.... I'm thinking this shadow is actually a man ... possibly a black skinned man in a dark suite..... The line of the arch you see under the hat is NOT the wall, its the MIL's outfit, (same colour) cut off by the hypothetical mans black suite and its just a coincedence that the line of her outfit matched the line from the wall.....he may also be leaning forwards, or reaching forwards with a black sleeve in someway and in doing so has covered more of MIL so we cannot make her out.
 
Thank you for being sensible...:lol:
Problem with your analysis is that you can clearly see into the next room
 
Yes fair comment, as I say I am going to get a pro scan off the neg which will take a few days.[ie. Monday I hope]
Another point is that the area we are looking at [beneath the hat] was very tight for space. There simply wasn't room for anyone to stoop down, or be hidden behind anything or anybody.
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*Something else I may be able to do is to go back to the premises and shoot the scene, 'empty', as it is now, so to speak. However that's easier said than done.....
Watch this space :gag:
 
Its clear what happened. The lady ducked down a split second before you pressed the button. The hat, being so big, remained in the same place, suspened on a cusion of air until the shutter closed then it fell back onto her head. She was not wearing a hat-pin.


Also, whats the place being haunted got to do with it? The problem is there is somone who should be in the frame but isnt, not the other way round. Unless a ghost stood in front of her, rendering her transparent.
 
CMcB said:
Its clear what happened. The lady ducked down a split second before you pressed the button. The hat, being so big, remained in the same place, suspened on a cusion of air until the shutter closed then it fell back onto her head. She was not wearing a hat-pin.


Also, whats the place being haunted got to do with it? The problem is there is somone who should be in the frame but isnt, not the other way round. Unless a ghost stood in front of her, rendering her transparent.
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I like the ghost story better.
 
ivortripod said:
as the flash light was sufficient to show the pad and pen, which was on the table in the next room.
Not only that, the MIL was wearing light blue [see my earlier post].
Cheers, Many thanks for your comments :|
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Are you sure it was your flash illuminating the pad and pen?

Doesn't matter what colour she was wearing if insufficient light falling on her.
(You can try this for yourself at home; photograph some coloured card at correct exp then again with 2 or 3 stops more light on it and then with 2 or 3 stops less - see what colour you get).

Don''t forget to ask 'em to scan for the shadow detail even if it means losing the highlights.
 
A nice bit of Photoshop there, if you look at the white specs in the black area a few are the same.
 
Without seeing the neg my best guess is that the guy is simply holding the hat for her and she wasn't there at all. A full size scan might help shed some light on the matter...
 
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