Agree totally.
Having moved to a 50D not long ago this is good advice. Unless you need video. It handles really nicely and certainly a lot better than the 60D in this respect in my opintion. And you still get the vignetting correction built in.
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Agree totally.
Having moved to a 50D not long ago this is good advice. Unless you need video. It handles really nicely and certainly a lot better than the 60D in this respect in my opintion. And you still get the vignetting correction built in.
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I'm going to be a party pooper here so I apologize in advance.
But I have to say, you admit you're confused as to what kit you need, and feel that we'll say your pics aren't up to scratch 'sorry I can't remember the exact words you used'.
Sorry but with all respect you don't have the knowledge needed to shoot weddings in any capacity other than as an uncle bob, or aunty whoever.
Whilst I respect you're asking questions to better your knowledge do you not think that as a wedding photographer you should know every aspect of your equipment as if it was an extension of your own arm?
But I have to say, you admit you're confused as to what kit you need, and feel that we'll say your pics aren't up to scratch 'sorry I can't remember the exact words you used'.
Sorry but with all respect you don't have the knowledge needed to shoot weddings in any capacity other than as an uncle bob, or aunty whoever.
Whilst I respect you're asking questions to better your knowledge do you not think that as a wedding photographer you should know every aspect of your equipment as if it was an extension of your own arm?
FWIW, I used my 7D and 24-70 at a wedding last weekend, admittedly only as a guest and enthusiastic amateur but found it absolutely fine for 95% of shots. Occasionally I needed something wider so used the 10-22 but didn't find the 24mm too restrictive.
If you're going with the 7D then I'd suggest two possible lens routes. If you're planning on going full frame in the not-too-distant future then go with the 24-70. If you're likely to stick with the 7D for a while then maybe get the 17-55 which is cheaper and wider, partnered with an 85mm f/1.8 to cover the slightly longer shots? Just a thought
If you're going with the 7D then I'd suggest two possible lens routes. If you're planning on going full frame in the not-too-distant future then go with the 24-70. If you're likely to stick with the 7D for a while then maybe get the 17-55 which is cheaper and wider, partnered with an 85mm f/1.8 to cover the slightly longer shots? Just a thought
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Vicki in an earlier post you said 24-70 f2.8L IS, the 24-70 doesnt have IS, or if it does someones stolen it off mine
A silly point I know but if you want IS you'll have to go for a different lens or maybe wait until teh next version comes out (supposedly some say it has IS, some say it doesnt - who knows??)
One thing I have noticed since getting L glass for my cameras, they are a lot less forgiving than non L glass, if you're off focus a small amount then you'll really notice it. Maybe it would be an idea to hire the kit you are thinking about and try it out first or borrow some from a friend.
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A silly point I know but if you want IS you'll have to go for a different lens or maybe wait until teh next version comes out (supposedly some say it has IS, some say it doesnt - who knows??)
One thing I have noticed since getting L glass for my cameras, they are a lot less forgiving than non L glass, if you're off focus a small amount then you'll really notice it. Maybe it would be an idea to hire the kit you are thinking about and try it out first or borrow some from a friend.
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Hi Vicki, you want minimum of two bodies, which are the same, that way you can switch seamlessly between them. If you're using a crop on one and FF on the other and you get a body fail, you can switch lenses with out issue.
Ideally you want 3 bodies, one of which will be your back up. I shoot weddings with a 17-55 f2.8 is and 70-200 f2.8L is usm I have an ultrawide in the bag which gets used a lot, plus the 85mm f1.2.
Also don't fall into the trap of using one or two big cf cards I use 8gb and carry 12 of them shooting in raw, that way if the card goes bandit I've not lost everything
Ideally you want 3 bodies, one of which will be your back up. I shoot weddings with a 17-55 f2.8 is and 70-200 f2.8L is usm I have an ultrawide in the bag which gets used a lot, plus the 85mm f1.2.
Also don't fall into the trap of using one or two big cf cards I use 8gb and carry 12 of them shooting in raw, that way if the card goes bandit I've not lost everything
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Ive just upgraded to the 7d from a 400d (hasnt arrived just yet though!) but was torn between that and the 60d. I opted for the 7d as I wanted to use it primarily for sports. However, (and someone correct me if Im wrong) the 7d and the 60d have the same sensor and theres very little difference in image quality and how they handle noise at higher iso levels. The 60d also has the tilty shifty screen thing which would be good for video that the 7d doesnt have (so a possibility at weddings) and is also about £300- £400 cheaper than the 7d.
I think if I were in your position that would be my route for the time being
I think if I were in your position that would be my route for the time being
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I can think of other reasons to upgrade, but to use image quality/noise as a reason to upgrade from a 450d to a 40d is a bit strange. Handling, build quality and ruggedness yes, but image quality?
I haven't seen any reviews giving the 40d any image quality or high ISO advantage over the 450d, as an example DP Review says:
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Thanks for the replies everyone.
I was wrong when I described the 24-70 f2.8 as having IS, I know it doesn't!
In answer to Mark Anthony. I understand your point but I dispute I'm not more than an Uncle Bob! I do know my camera and equipment and have been teaching myself for the last year and my knowledge has vastly improved and continues to do so. However, I also agree with your point and after my wedding in October I'm going to be taking a break and getting my kit and knowledge at the highest level and will then get back to it when the time's right.
The 2 couples I have covered weddings for and the last newspaper I worked for (I'm a reporter by trade) had no concerns over my pics and were extremely happy with them.
My next wedding is in October and for now I've decided to buy the 16-35 f2.8 and the 24-70 f2.8. I'll be using a flash as well (possibly during the ceremony) depending on the light. At my last wedding I didn't use the flash.
I don't particularly want to use a flash but after some test shoots with my 50 f1.8 I've realised that even with the L glass the shutter speed might let me down if shooting in Aperture mode (which again I did last time).
This time I'll be shooting in manual so I have more control and also using the flash.
When I have the cash I'll be upgrading the body, probably to the 5D MKII.
Thanks for your help everyone and have a lovely Friday!
Vicki
I was wrong when I described the 24-70 f2.8 as having IS, I know it doesn't!
In answer to Mark Anthony. I understand your point but I dispute I'm not more than an Uncle Bob! I do know my camera and equipment and have been teaching myself for the last year and my knowledge has vastly improved and continues to do so. However, I also agree with your point and after my wedding in October I'm going to be taking a break and getting my kit and knowledge at the highest level and will then get back to it when the time's right.
The 2 couples I have covered weddings for and the last newspaper I worked for (I'm a reporter by trade) had no concerns over my pics and were extremely happy with them.
My next wedding is in October and for now I've decided to buy the 16-35 f2.8 and the 24-70 f2.8. I'll be using a flash as well (possibly during the ceremony) depending on the light. At my last wedding I didn't use the flash.
I don't particularly want to use a flash but after some test shoots with my 50 f1.8 I've realised that even with the L glass the shutter speed might let me down if shooting in Aperture mode (which again I did last time).
This time I'll be shooting in manual so I have more control and also using the flash.
When I have the cash I'll be upgrading the body, probably to the 5D MKII.
Thanks for your help everyone and have a lovely Friday!
Vicki
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I'm no expert but might the original 5D not be a good investment? you can pick them up used for £600 these days and it would give you a FF body. Then when the Mark 3 is finally released you could pickup a used Mark 2 body alot cheaper than today.
Sorry to jump into this thread only reading the initial post and a couple of other replies, why dont you consider (if not already mentioned) getting a Canon 5D MarkI? Opposed to the MarkII especially if budget is lower.
Maybe?
- Canon 5D MarkI
- Canon 28-70mm F2.8L (previous version to the 24-70)
- Canon 70-200mm F2.8L non-IS
This would give you a fantastic set-up, indeed the same setup I had for a lot of weddings.
Plus definately need a back-up!!
And get a camera as a backup that is similar in settings and controls to the primary body so you are not confused and can just pick it up and go.
Maybe?
- Canon 5D MarkI
- Canon 28-70mm F2.8L (previous version to the 24-70)
- Canon 70-200mm F2.8L non-IS
This would give you a fantastic set-up, indeed the same setup I had for a lot of weddings.
Plus definately need a back-up!!
And get a camera as a backup that is similar in settings and controls to the primary body so you are not confused and can just pick it up and go.
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+1
+2 the 7d AF is ridiculously unnessecarily complex, the AF on a 1d is simple and just does the job, the 7d is too much imo, you have to surrender too much control to the camera
+3, although for high iso work i'd still consider the 5d classic over a crop cam, 5d mk2 is only marginally better than the 5d (like half a stop difference), where as I think there was considerably improvements to the crop cameras- although i'm a recent canon convert so i've never shot the 50d
+1
although my biggest failing is that I don't have the bottle to dive in and get started on something as demanding as wedding work, i'm technically able, and I have the gear- but I think i'll just stick to my studio work for now...
so credit to you
i'd also like to point out that 2.8 might not be fast enough for you, especially at the long end. IS isn't going to help you combat subject motion
i'd be much happier with:
5d with 24-70
5d with 135mm f2, 85mm 1.8 and 35mm 1.4
or maybe the 100mm f2, 50mm 1.4
basically what i'm saying is that you're going to need some low light capability at the tele range, and the short tele
I can't see myself shooting 2.8 at 200mm, i'd have to be shooting f2, or i'd want to get in closer with an 85/50 (50 might be too close)
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