Use of flash outdoors?

lionofjudah said:
Seeing all the flashes going off in the crowd last night at Olympic stadium when Bolt was introduced made me wonder:
How many people actually captured him perfectly?

From the stands with a flashgun?

None.

From close up when he greets the crowd? Loads.

People with flash at gigs always make me chuckle. When your average flash on a compact is good for about 8 feet. And good is really stretching the point as a light source.
 
It's because people shoot in auto with their compacts, or don't know how to disable flash.

PS: My uber clever flash guide did have the word 'simple' in it :D
 
A very common reason for using flash outside is for 'fill flash'.

If the sun is behind your subject then they will look very dark, whilst the background looks bright as you would want it to. a bit of flash can counter this, as it only really lights up your subject and not the background. I'm sure someone will come and post a before and after example of using fill flash which may explain it better.

better to use a pocketwizard to do it as you can do proper high speed sync flash.

outdoors. 1/250 is not enough and most camera's max high speed sync is 1/250

It is a big issue when shooting wide open during the day.

i dont know if the new canon 600ex flash does what a pocketwizard does without a trigger. doubt it
 
jonneymendoza said:
better to use a pocketwizard to do it as you can do proper high speed sync flash.

outdoors. 1/250 is not enough and most camera's max high speed sync is 1/250

It is a big issue when shooting wide open during the day.

i dont know if the new canon 600ex flash does what a pocketwizard does without a trigger. doubt it

1/250th not enough???????

You might want to look at the Exif in the photo that I posted on page 1.

HSS isn't designed for fill flash. It's for action and movement.
 
DemiLion said:
1/250th not enough???????

You might want to look at the Exif in the photo that I posted on page 1.

HSS isn't designed for fill flash. It's for action and movement.

Shoot wide open at f2.8 in a sunny day and 250 will overexposure
 
jonneymendoza said:
Shoot wide open at f2.8 in a sunny day and 250 will overexposure

The post you highlighted was talking about direct backlighting with the sun. Shoot a wide aperture for that and it's likely to look gash!
 
1/250th not enough???????

You might want to look at the Exif in the photo that I posted on page 1.

HSS isn't designed for fill flash. It's for action and movement.

:eek: It's great for fill-in, less so for action unless it's happening close to the camera. HSS at something like 1/1000sec or higher has feeble range.

The post you highlighted was talking about direct backlighting with the sun. Shoot a wide aperture for that and it's likely to look gash!

:thinking:
 
HoppyUK said:
:eek: It's great for fill-in, less so for action unless it's happening close to the camera. HSS at something like 1/1000sec or higher has feeble range.

:thinking:

I was thinking of a stop or so lower Richard; ie 1/400th or so.

The gash comment was a bit sweeping, but wide open with fill directly into the sun?
 
I was thinking of a stop or so lower Richard; ie 1/400th or so.

The gash comment was a bit sweeping, but wide open with fill directly into the sun?

Why not? But don't want to argue.

It's a bit odd to say HSS isn't designed for fill-in though. That's it's primary use, outdoors when bright light naturally pushes the shutter speed up.
 
1/250th not enough???????

You might want to look at the Exif in the photo that I posted on page 1.

HSS isn't designed for fill flash. It's for action and movement.

Not at all, it's designed for higher shutter speeds than 1/250th and that includes fill flash!
 
Well overpowering the sun is a use of flash outdoors, and so is freezing motion, and so is fill flash. the range of results you can get depend on the available flash power, flash duration, working distance, desired aperture, and range of ND tilters you have in your pocket... and your shutterspeed
 
Have a look for the speedliters handbook by Syl Arena. It will tell you everything you need to know about working with Canon flashes.
 
Hi guys
I was wondering if you ever use a flash outdoors and if so what situations may you use it?

There's a lot of info in this thread, some great, some not so..... anyway, I suppose the use of flash is very personal to what the photographer wants to achieve and what they want to convey. It shouldn't be a case of just using it because you can, more a case of using it because you know how it will help both the image and you as a photographer.

I find myself using it in two forms; the first as some form of accent to natural light (mainly as fill), and the second as a main light source.

The fill stuff is usually with soft boxes to work with harsh light from the sun, although now and then I do use one or tow bare flashes if I'm after harder light. However, I'm a sucker for diffused might so most of my flash work is done with either a 40cm soft box or a 28" Apollo.

The majority of the latter is either 'portrait-style' suffer with the ambient dialled right down, or close-quarters stuff where I'm shooting with macro kit and I want the light I'm adding to the shot to be the dominant light source. I do a lot of open shade shooting and use portable soft boxes (again, the 40cm box).

RE: overpowering the sun - there are the folk who utilise natural light really well, adding flash in small doses to utilise a lot of what the sun has to offer....I see a lot of folk shooting into the (sun)light and then filling in the shadows with soft flash, which is a nice dreamy look that seems to work really well. I'm of the other 'camp' where it's all about subduing the ambient light to underexpose it by a stop or so (increasing saturation in blue skies, bring out cloud detail) and then using flash to give the subject a kick with some flash. I rarely shooting with mega-shallow DoF so 1/250th at ISO 100 is enough to seriously affect the ambient, but I do use ND filters for gaining shallow DoF when I need it.

Although there's still a place for on-camera flash, especially where HSS/AutoFP is still required through TTL exposure, I found that as soon as I started taking flashes away from the camera I was getting more creative. It's daunting when multiple flashes are mentioned in the same breath as kickers, fill, rim lights (etc) and I found that a simple cross lighting set-up worked and is probably still one of my favourite ways of lighting because it's so simple. And I'm sometimes too lazy to crack out loads of lights ;)

I do find that instead of using flashes on stands - I use a handheld 40cm softbox - and aside from the fact that I'm generally getting light from the (camera) left, portable flash in your hand allows you to quickly make changes. It's a personal thing and I'm sure there will be exponents of static flash who'll state their case, but for close-quarters portraiture I just prefer the light in close because creates nice fall-off and really make the subject react to me as I'm pointing the lens at them.

This was one where there's enough balance between the ambient so the flash isn't dominating. It's just adding enough fill into the face that detail isn't lost in shadow. The cloud detail was nice on that day too, so giving it a bit of mood.


Peter by Pat MacInnes, on Flickr

This is probably one of my have shots using my big 28" soft box - you can see from the EXIF that I'm nearing maximum sync speed to add some depth to the sky but thankfully, f/6.3 has been enough to give me a nice DoF to work with that helps focus on the guy's face yet throw the falling pellets out of focus nicely.


Pellets by Pat MacInnes, on Flickr
 
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And I take it this in done with on camera flash with the subject within range of flash?
Would you ever use off camera outdoors?



YES !!! you will have fun with it ... then spend a small fortune on the gear to do more ...... sigh ... ohhhh and then have to justify it to the t'other half as the "box that takes pictures" needs help ...
 
FoG said:
YES !!! you will have fun with it ... then spend a small fortune on the gear to do more ...... sigh ... ohhhh and then have to justify it to the t'other half as the "box that takes pictures" needs help ...

Maybe we should have a thread on excuses given to other half to justify our purchases :-)
 
lionofjudah said:
Maybe we should have a thread on excuses given to other half to justify our purchases :-)

Got any good ones for persuading my other half to get a 5d3.?
 
There is a free webinar being broadcast tonight at 18:00 BST which will cover blending flash and ambient light for outdoor portraits. It will probably be recorded and made available to watch at your convenience within a day or two....

http://www.sekonic.com/Classroom/We...nt-Light-for-Beautiful-Outdoor-Portraits.aspx

I've no idea how good it will be - expect a sales pitch about colour management and extensive use of a light meter - but if you have no idea about this stuff maybe it will shed some light on the topic. :D

If you want to avoid the sales pitch then hunt around Adorama TV on YouTube and check out the multiple instructive videos featuring Mark Wallace. He covers loads of photographic areas and techniques, including use of flash outdoors.
 
Also enables you to underexpose the background whilst retaining correctly exposed subjects. This allows the you to isolate the subject and if you so wish even give a completely black studio style to an outdoor shot.

Is this not achievable without flash? i.e. by just exposing for the subject.
 
ziggy© said:
Is this not achievable without flash? i.e. by just exposing for the subject.

Not really (unless you're in exceptional circumstances) because you are talking about differential light sources and strengths.
 
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