Upgrading to full frame

[Brizzol]

EF 70-200L f2,8 is a must really, and though the 5Div is a very good DSLR the 6D is a cheaper option. However I hate the very limit AF points on 6D, and the 6Dii is a very good improvement with perhaps slight les dynamic range.
However what puts a cat in the pigeon house are the Sony A7 range which are really good, and capable cameras.

I used A6600 with sigma 18-50 f2,8, and canon R7 withe the same sigma lens plus some good L telezooms which I also use on the A6600 via sigma MC-11 adapter.

The dynamic range on the 70D is pretty limited when compared to A6600, 6D, A7's, 5Div etc. o my advice is get the f2,8 lens first and the camera body second as the glass you will keep for also forever unlike the camera body !

I will get the lens first and i did read about the dynamic range on the 6dii but only below iso400 apparantly.

 

[Brizzol]

Kevin
your talking about stage lighting is the main things you photograph.Well I took this with my camcorder which has a small sensor same as an MFT camera

Shot this on a visit to South Korea. I bet you can't watch the whole video but I had no issues relighting.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p461U7Jry74&t=1s

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VB3_a143noE

I can't believe I videoed it , not the most exciting thing, But the young lady sat beside me all the time which made up for it. So a Pana G9ii camera for stage work should be no problem with a panasonic F1.4 or F1.7 lens . As I said before and can't emphasis enough the hand held stability is the best you can get. you didnt mention that for stage work you use a tripod- gimbal or just hand held. For myself being 80 years old weight becomes an issues. FF lenses get really heavy to hold for a long time and worse if a large mm one is being used. This is one reason why I went down the MFT route

Others who have posted have their preferences which is fair enough, but also not posted any examples of situations your thinking about. It is very east to say this is better than that in low light but showing is something different.

Thank you for posting those examples and I know what you mean about the weight, if I dont have anything to lean on such as a balcony rail, I will use a monopod which helps a lot.
I think I'm gonna stick with Canon tho as its what i know.

 

[Brizzol]

I would be looking at the dynamic range in addition to better low light performance due to the extremes of stage lighting. A used R6 would be where my focus would be as it will excel at everything you need and then some, such as AF; you'll save money over the longer term from not having to upgrade again any time soon. Worth bearing in mind that as the ISO is ramped up the dynamic range gap between cameras will narrow a little.

WEX do a used one at £1,189 and you can spread the cost, but Park Cameras have one at £899 so a saving of almost £300 and you can spread the payments with them as well.

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I'm gonna look at the R6 as a possible future upgrade as I dont want to blow my budget and not be able to get the lens I need.

 

[Brizzol]

Some really good advice and though I am canon user I would go down the R6 route as future lens up grade ( when funds permit ) will be good future planning. However the G9ii is a very good choice indeed.
So there is another question of staying with an eco system you know and how to use with possible upgrade's to kit in the future i.e. lenses. Over changing systems, and learning new menus and functions of a camera system is some times quite dauting.
Saying that I use Canon R7, 7Dii, and have Sony A6600, and NEX5R and I often put my Canon L glass on the Sony A6600.

I think I am gonna look at the R6 as a future upgrade, and as far as changing systems goes, I dont think I could do it as I have always shot on Canons and its what I know.

 

[gman]

I'm gonna look at the R6 as a possible future upgrade as I dont want to blow my budget and not be able to get the lens I need.

Ah, I forgot about the lens! That's understandable.

Just came across this listing, seems very good value for the 5d Mark IV at £549 with finance options, it will not only give you the low light capability but also a lot more dynamic range across the ISO range. Plus it's a regular DSLR and not mirrorless.

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DXO chart (although always take with a wee pinch of salt)

 

[Phil V]

I will def need the is version due to what I'm shooting, I would like to get the mk2 version but I cant stretch my budget that far and the side by side comparisons i've seen the mk1 more than holds its own.
Thanks for the info on the mirrorless, I think I'm gonna hold off on making that switch until I can stretch to an R6.

I decided I didn’t need the expense of the IS upgrade because most of what I shot (people and cars) required a high enough shutter speed with a tele lens that I could do without IS.
And on the few occasions I pushed my luck w shutter speeds, I’d likely be on a monopod cos there’s a limit to how long I’ll comfortably handhold 3 pounds of lens.

 

[Brizzol]

Ah, I forgot about the lens! That's understandable.

Just came across this listing, seems very good value for the 5d Mark IV at £549 with finance options, it will not only give you the low light capability but also a lot more dynamic range across the ISO range. Plus it's a regular DSLR and not mirrorless.

Second hand cameras, camera part exchange, digital cameras UK, used cameras, photographic shops, England

The London Camera Exchange supplies second hand cameras, new cameras, digital cameras and other camera equipment and provides a camera part exchange in photographic shops all over England, UK.

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DXO chart (although always take with a wee pinch of salt)

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Now that has turned my head! I had disregarded the mk4 due to the price, but that is a really good price, even if it is pretty worn!

 

[AndrewFlannigan]

... even if it is pretty worn!

Here's a thing: over the years, I've bought some pretty battered bits of kit and they've all worked pretty well.

The only time cameras, lenses or other items have failed on me, they've been new or "mint" second hand.

Nope, I don't understand it either...

 

[gman]

Now that has turned my head! I had disregarded the mk4 due to the price, but that is a really good price, even if it is pretty worn!

Aye, it certainly seems like a good deal, personally I'd snap it up! The last similar deal for that camera was the other day and it had something like a 250,000 shutter count, so well past its lifespan and a potential £300+ bill. At least this one has a lowish shutter count.

 

[Brizzol]

Aye, it certainly seems like a good deal, personally I'd snap it up! The last similar deal for that camera was the other day and it had something like a 250,000 shutter count, so well past its lifespan and a potential £300+ bill. At least this one has a lowish shutter count.

To me, that shutter count seems quite low? While the condition of the camera would suggest a count much higher? I've never bought used gear before so how reliable is the shutter count?

 

[Brentor]

Assuming it is possible to read the shutter count on a 5D mk4, which I think it is, I very much doubt that LCE will give the wrong quote. They also give a 6 month warranty so the risk to you is low. Decisions, decisions.

 

[Brizzol]

Assuming it is possible to read the shutter count on a 5D mk4, which I think it is, I very much doubt that LCE will give the wrong quote. They also give a 6 month warranty so the risk to you is low. Decisions, decisions.

I think you are right on that.
This is probably not the right way of looking at it but given the choice of a 5d mk4 with lots of wear and tear, but a higher spec than a 6d mk2 for a similar price but cosmetically better condition, is more down to me as a person who really looks after their gear. A professional photographer would probably advise me to get over that and go for the higher spec camera.
Talk about overthinking things!

 

[Brentor]

I think you are right on that.
This is probably not the right way of looking at it but given the choice of a 5d mk4 with lots of wear and tear, but a higher spec than a 6d mk2 for a similar price but cosmetically better condition, is more down to me as a person who really looks after their gear. A professional photographer would probably advise me to get over that and go for the higher spec camera.
Talk about overthinking things!

I’m like you on cosmetic condition. I would not buy that camera. Others would and no doubt get a bargain.

 

[Tysonator]

I have purchased used gear mainly from here and it has all been very good condition. I believe non pro's usual look after their gear much better as it is their pride and joy.
Though I would consider for example buying a cheap used 1DXiv with high shutter count, and pay for a full service. The initial purchase price has to be cheap enough to warrant the investment in a service.
Many years ago a canon Tech / rep who use to visit camera shops like Jessops told me to buy a non working speedlite for example 430mkii. Send it off to canon service which back then was a one fixed price ( not sure if that is the case now), and canon service would replace what it need to get it work. So again one needs to buy the initial worn kit cheap enough to warrant the repair / service cost

 

[gman]

I think you are right on that.
This is probably not the right way of looking at it but given the choice of a 5d mk4 with lots of wear and tear, but a higher spec than a 6d mk2 for a similar price but cosmetically better condition, is more down to me as a person who really looks after their gear. A professional photographer would probably advise me to get over that and go for the higher spec camera.
Talk about overthinking things!

A few wear and tear marks wouldn't bother me when the price is so good, so long as all the important stuff is unmarked and working as it should. I suppose it could be important when it comes to resale, but I'm not sure how much that would be relevant here? Up to you of course, I'd be snapping that up at such a low shutter count.

 

[Brizzol]

Hi everyone, I thought I would give an update on my situation.
i actually went to London camera exchange to look at the 5d mk4 in person, and decided it wasnt for me as it looked a lot worse in person than on the photos, condition wise.
But actually holding a 5d mk4 was good as I was really impressed with the build quality of it, unfortunately the shop didnt have a lens that I could try it out with.
But I decided after that I wanted that model over the 6d, so a couple more weeks of hunting online and as of yesterday I am now a proud owner of a 5d mk4 in really nice condition with a shutter count od 23000.
I have also added to that the Canon 70-200mm f2.8 L IS mk2 and a 24-105 f4 L IS mk1.
I absolutely love it, not gone out with it properly yet but a few photos in my garden and I'm so impressed with it, absolutely worlds apart from my old set up!
Thanks for all your advice on the subject, its much appreciated.

 

[gman]

Hi everyone, I thought I would give an update on my situation.
i actually went to London camera exchange to look at the 5d mk4 in person, and decided it wasnt for me as it looked a lot worse in person than on the photos, condition wise.
But actually holding a 5d mk4 was good as I was really impressed with the build quality of it, unfortunately the shop didnt have a lens that I could try it out with.
But I decided after that I wanted that model over the 6d, so a couple more weeks of hunting online and as of yesterday I am now a proud owner of a 5d mk4 in really nice condition with a shutter count od 23000.
I have also added to that the Canon 70-200mm f2.8 L IS mk2 and a 24-105 f4 L IS mk1.
I absolutely love it, not gone out with it properly yet but a few photos in my garden and I'm so impressed with it, absolutely worlds apart from my old set up!
Thanks for all your advice on the subject, its much appreciated.

Congratulations, I hope you love the new camera!

 

[ancient_mariner]

Hi everyone, I thought I would give an update on my situation.
i actually went to London camera exchange to look at the 5d mk4 in person, and decided it wasnt for me as it looked a lot worse in person than on the photos, condition wise.
But actually holding a 5d mk4 was good as I was really impressed with the build quality of it, unfortunately the shop didnt have a lens that I could try it out with.
But I decided after that I wanted that model over the 6d, so a couple more weeks of hunting online and as of yesterday I am now a proud owner of a 5d mk4 in really nice condition with a shutter count od 23000.
I have also added to that the Canon 70-200mm f2.8 L IS mk2 and a 24-105 f4 L IS mk1.
I absolutely love it, not gone out with it properly yet but a few photos in my garden and I'm so impressed with it, absolutely worlds apart from my old set up!
Thanks for all your advice on the subject, its much appreciated.

Thanks for coming back to let us know - hope you enjoy the new outfit.

 

[Tysonator]

Hi everyone, I thought I would give an update on my situation.
i actually went to London camera exchange to look at the 5d mk4 in person, and decided it wasnt for me as it looked a lot worse in person than on the photos, condition wise.
But actually holding a 5d mk4 was good as I was really impressed with the build quality of it, unfortunately the shop didnt have a lens that I could try it out with.
But I decided after that I wanted that model over the 6d, so a couple more weeks of hunting online and as of yesterday I am now a proud owner of a 5d mk4 in really nice condition with a shutter count od 23000.
I have also added to that the Canon 70-200mm f2.8 L IS mk2 and a 24-105 f4 L IS mk1.
I absolutely love it, not gone out with it properly yet but a few photos in my garden and I'm so impressed with it, absolutely worlds apart from my old set up!
Thanks for all your advice on the subject, its much appreciated.

The 5Div is a solid DSLR, and still used by a lot of pro's you should have some great fun with your new set.
Hands on new gear is always the best way to appraise hardware.
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