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What would you consider a wise upgrade?

Would upgrading to a 1D3 be silly? I've never used one before so I don't know if they're a lot more advanced or what. What would I struggle with if I were to upgrade to a 1D3?

Also, what's the difference between a 1Ds and a 1D?

I'm not considering upgrading yet, but I'd like to think about it in about July. I thought the burst speed would be fine on the 450D but I can easily see why people start to want more. :'(
 
I'm a great believer in getting the best you can afford...normally, at least.

The 1D3 is a fine body for sports and wildlife (and maybe aircraft) but you don't really have any suitable glass to go with it. With the lenses in your current arsenal, I would think a 40D or 50D would be more suitable and use the money saved to get some glass ready for the day when you pick up a 1D series.

Bob

Edit...1D is a high frame rate 1.3x crop sensor
1Ds is a FF but slower FPS body
 
Canon Bob said:
I'm a great believer in getting the best you can afford...normally, at least.

The 1D3 is a fine body for sports and wildlife (and maybe aircraft) but you don't really have any suitable glass to go with it. With the lenses in your current arsenal, I would think a 40D or 50D would be more suitable and use the money saved to get some glass ready for the day when you pick up a 1D series.

Bob

Edit...1D is a high frame rate 1.3x crop sensor
1Ds is a FF but slower FPS body
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I'm buying a 24-70mm L within the next few weeks. I imagine I'll have a few L lenses before I upgrade to another body.
 
1Ds also has less of an ISO range than the 1D
 
admirable said:
1Ds also has less of an ISO range than the 1D
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So if money was no object, what camera would be the best in the Canon range for motor sport and general snapping?
 
Kryptix said:
So if money was no object, what camera would be the best in the Canon range for motor sport and general snapping?
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I would say a 40 or a 50D and then spend the spare cash on some really fast primes, 300, 400 Motor sports are quite far away.

The equipment you own is only as good as the operator, learn to use what you have before you spend lots of money on something you might not get the most out of.
 
1D MkIII is a very good all round body but if you need high res quality stuff or landscape detail the 1Ds III is the one, @ 2x the price.
 
Kryptix said:
I'm buying a 24-70mm L within the next few weeks. I imagine I'll have a few L lenses before I upgrade to another body.
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I wasn't criticising the quality of your lenses but simply the focal lengths you have available. I would imagine that the majority of amateurs put 300mm+ on their 1D3's (for its primary usage).

Bob
 
I don't want a 40D/50D as that's only one step up. I'll get it and instantly want to upgrade again. I'd sooner just buy the camera I want the most and learn how to use it without thinking what I'm learning is a waste of time because it'll all be different when I upgrade to <insert-better-camera-here>.

I love my 450D, and I had the choice of getting the 40D (for the same price) or the 50D but I decided to get the 450D, learn as much as I could/can and then upgrade to something better.

Would the 5D series be a good upgrade or isn't that very good for motor sport? I hear everyone saying it's the 'wedding camera' so I'm guessing not.

What's the ultimate motor sport camera? From what people have said above, it's got to be with 1D3 for the FPS?

Also, why shouldn't I just jump into the deep end and buy a 1D3? What will I gain by going for a 50D, then a 5D and then finally the 1D?

What will hold me back if I go straight to a 1D3 with only entry-level SLR experience?
 
1d3 is the ultimate motorsport camera but a 50D is 80% of the way there and you save £2k which could be spent on lenses.

Most motorsport togs never use the full burst speed and only fire off 1 or 2 frames at a time. They buy the 1d3 for its AF and build quality.
 
Canon Bob said:
Nothing.

Bob
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Thanks Bob -- that's the answer I was looking for. I assumed it'd be a lot more advanced and I'd struggle a lot with only 400D/450D experience, which is why I was prepared to go up gradually but if you guys reckon you can learn it all easily enough without going up the ranks then I'd much sooner jump in the deep end.
 
andrewc said:
1d3 is the ultimate motorsport camera but a 50D is 80% of the way there and you save £2k which could be spent on lenses.

Most motorsport togs never use the full burst speed and only fire off 1 or 2 frames at a time. They buy the 1d3 for its AF and build quality.
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Are you saying this because you own a 50D? :p
 
I'm a great believer in the "when you need to upgrade, you will know exactly what you want to upgrade to" philosophy.

Figure out what your 450D doesn't do that you want it to do, then look for a body that meets those needs. Have a think and shoot as much as you can between now and July, by then you should have a good idea whether you need to upgrade or not, if you do need to upgrade you'll be able to tell us what body will be best for you :) Good luck.
 
Col_M said:
I'm a great believer in the "when you need to upgrade, you will know exactly what you want to upgrade to" philosophy.

Figure out what your 450D doesn't do that you want it to do, then look for a body that meets those needs. Have a think and shoot as much as you can between now and July, by then you should have a good idea whether you need to upgrade or not, if you do need to upgrade you'll be able to tell us what body will be best for you :) Good luck.
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Well, I already find I want more FPS, more pixels and better image quality.

Doesn't that sound like the 1D3 would be perfect for me?
 
Kryptix said:
Are you saying this because you own a 50D? :p
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No, I'm saying that because I can't afford a 1d3... Oh to be young and foolish again :p. However mortgage comes first.

Hopefully if I get a lot of stuff published this year I could think about upgrading the 40D and consigning the 50D to backup status. Don't fall into the trap that top tier gear is all that is needed.
 
Kryptix said:
Well, I already find I want more FPS, more pixels and better image quality.

Doesn't that sound like the 1D3 would be perfect for me?
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Sorry to say the 1d3 has less pixels than you 450D.
 
Kryptix said:
Well, I already find I want more FPS, more pixels and better image quality.

Doesn't that sound like the 1D3 would be perfect for me?
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A 1D3 is 10.1Mp against the 12.2 of the 450D.

Bob
 
Kryptix said:
Well, I already find I want more FPS, more pixels and better image quality.

Doesn't that sound like the 1D3 would be perfect for me?
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Plus you'll want a certain amount of "reach" for motorsport, and the 1.6x crop cameras will give you more of that than the 1.3x crop of the 1D3.

For example if you had a 300mm f/2.8 (£3500+, hand-holdable at 2.5kg) on a 450D or 40D or 50D, then to get the same framing on a 1D3 you'd need a 400mm f/2.8 (£6500+, not hand-holdable at 5.4kg).
 
StewartR said:
Plus you'll want a certain amount of "reach" for motorsport, and the 1.6x crop cameras will give you more of that than the 1.3x crop of the 1D3.

For example if you had a 300mm f/2.8 (£3500+, hand-holdable at 2.5kg) on a 450D or 40D or 50D, then to get the same framing on a 1D3 you'd need a 400mm f/2.8 (£6500+, not hand-holdable at 5.4kg).
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That's helpful. What would you suggest then?
 
kiteninja said:
I think he's saying get a 40D or a 50D.

TBH nothing anyone has said in this thread has made an impact so buy what you like tbh.
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tbh So we're all in agreement tbh that the 40D is tbh the best camera you tbh can buy for motor sport photography then tbh? :eek:
 
jump to nikon?

seriosly *** i will go from my 450D to a 50D, when i'm ready to upgrade, 50D better high ISO performance and twice as fast FPS, and build quality everything i would need without spending £1000's

i started shooting motor sport and find the 450D lacks in the fps but its doable and the extra 3 frames from the 40/50D would be all i need imo
 
The other thing to consider is second hand "pro" bodies. A 1D Mk II can be had for about £800 now and is still a great action camera. Is it as good as a MkIII? No. Is it £2000 worse? Only you can decide...
 
argh this thread has got me thinking now, as im saving for some glass (100-400 L) or should i take a 50D body and sell my 450D??? and leave the glass for a bit

only thing is my current lens 55-250 is a great lens but is a little soft at the long end argh i dunno now

lens or body?
 
Kryptix said:
tbh So we're all in agreement tbh that the 40D is tbh the best camera you tbh can buy for motor sport photography then tbh? :eek:
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Nice to see that you're considering the post for the merit that it has [/sarcasm]

Seriously, Kiteninja made an excellent point earlier, which was seconded by Canon Bob. I'd agree too (though I have a 40D :)).

You did ask what would be a wise upgrade and whilst you did mention the 1D3 you didn't confine the responses to it.

It does seem that what you are really asking is "can you convince me not to get a 1D3?". If that is the case, then no, why would anyone wish to do that? Go for it, I certainly would if I had that amount of cash to burn.

However, for the photography that you mention, the 40D or better the 50D are excellent cameras. If you are going to "want to upgrade" after getting them then get a 1D3, or think long and hard about why you have this need for an upgrade.
 
grumpybadger said:
Lens - everytime. A much longer term investment and actually much more impact on the image quality.
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ino what your saying GB, my thinking is the 50D is good for me the next few years at least i aint looking at any other body as the 50D is everything that i am lacking now and i cant forsee me needing a 1D body in the next 5+years if im honest possibly longer so,

a wait of a few months longer for a top quality lens and get the 50D now, or wait a few months get the lens and then wait even longer for a body i will have for years and know that it has what i lack in my current body????

by this post it sounds like i have already made my mind up for a body first lens a few months after :lol: just indesivness*(*spelling?) on my part worrying that i need to make the right choice
 
What I am saying is that good quality glass is likely to have more of an impact on your images that the body it is attached to. The only flipside to that is the high speed focusing that is likely to be better on a 50D. I have no personal experience of the 50D but I have observed a couple of things:

1. Camera bodies are all pretty good.
2. The difference between 40D and 50D is likely to be fairly small
3. Cameras depreciate dreadfully these days - top quality glass is more stable
4. This means you can get some top cameras for relatively little money if you are happy to not have the latest

In the end it is your choice but I don't see how you can say a 50D will last you 5 years. 5 years ago, I was shooting with a 10D, the first DSLR good enough to make me move from film.

I certainly never plan to buy a brand new camera body again. I worked out that I lost £3200 in depreciation on 4 camera bodies or a total of 50% of the cost. Now, the two cameras I have were both bought second hand and are worth over 70% of what I paid for them.
 
grumpybadger said:
I certainly never plan to buy a brand new camera body again. I worked out that I lost £3200 in depreciation on 4 camera bodies or a total of 50% of the cost. Now, the two cameras I have were both bought second hand and are worth over 70% of what I paid for them.
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And with this in mind, and for the OP here is how I got my 40D
 
In the summer of last year, I bought a 40D with a 17-85mm IS lens for £640, refurbed from Canon with a 1yr warranty.
 
it's alive said:
Nice to see that you're considering the post for the merit that it has [/sarcasm]

Seriously, Kiteninja made an excellent point earlier, which was seconded by Canon Bob. I'd agree too (though I have a 40D :)).

You did ask what would be a wise upgrade and whilst you did mention the 1D3 you didn't confine the responses to it.

It does seem that what you are really asking is "can you convince me not to get a 1D3?". If that is the case, then no, why would anyone wish to do that? Go for it, I certainly would if I had that amount of cash to burn.

However, for the photography that you mention, the 40D or better the 50D are excellent cameras. If you are going to "want to upgrade" after getting them then get a 1D3, or think long and hard about why you have this need for an upgrade.
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Thanks for backing me up.

For sport and general the 40D so far for me has not made me think for a second to move over to a 1D or similar body. 6fps is fine it goes click, click, click till the CF is full :D.
Anyway as everyone has said so far glass is the way to go upgrade that 70-200f4 :) get some 300-400 L glass :).

Plus am building up a nice collection of glass :).

Oh and paid £490 in the end for my 40D from jessops, with pricematch & cashback with a half price batter too :) was just before xmas.
 
GB, i can see your PoV, as it stands now i have nearly half of the money saved for a new lens, where as its going to take me a while from now to have all the funds needed to buy it, where as if i sell my 450D and use that money with what i have saved already, i can benifit sooner with the better ISO, faster FPS better build quality, that i find i am lacking with my current body.

either way i will get a new lens and body, my choice is wait a few months till i have the money for the lens then wait even longer to upgrade body which means longer with out the specs i find i lack now

or

upgrade body now and benifit from what i have already pointed out, while i save for the lens

lens when i have saved enough = 3/4 months away

body after lens = 7/8 months away

body now

lens = 6/7 months away

not sure which is the right direction to go in as i can see positives from both directions :s

sorry if i have mis understood your post in any way
 
I wasn`t going to post this as I thought it would be a waist of time as there are already several posts that divulge the same information................but while the mouse was hovering over the post button my finger had some kind of involuntary spasm and hit the mouse.......so i`m taking it as a sign :lol: :lol: :D.



High quality glass (such as a 300 2.8....second hand if you could afford it with a new 40d) will benefit your photographs far more than the body it is on. IQ, Bokeh your ability to get the shot in the first place (how many times in low light have we cursed not having a fast enough lens) all these things come from the lens.
If you are looking at Motorsport I would say that a 40D and a 300 2.8 would be a perfect combination.
 
What about my 450D and a 300mm f/2.8? How much difference will the 40D make?

I really, really don't want to 'upgrade' to a 40D for some reason.
 
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