Upgrade to LR4

I tried it in the beta and it worked.
 
vizzair said:
one thing I have noticed when importing the catalog from lr3 to 4, the GPS support for LR3 was via plugin , but the metadata used in LR3 is marked as "GPS shadow" or "shadow GPS" can't remember which, but anyway the data isn't imported with the catalog:'(, so all my tediously marked GPS photos are now no longer marked.:(

Also as I cant afford the silly price for a nikon GPS unit [spent it on LR4;)], I was using a tracker app on my phone to record where I was. The LR3 plugin then looked at timestamps and marked your pictures with the gps coords: Now has anyone tried to do the same with LR4? , ie record a track, export the data and correllate the data in LR4.
I only tried importing last night, no time to create new pictures and data until weekend.
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the plugin ( I am assuming this one) has been updated to work with LR4 including the translating of shadow to native GPS data. See his blog for info.
 
graphilly said:
My next upgrade will be something like that, but I've never had a problem on XP with LR3 or CS5, and there's nothing I've seen in the newer versions to make me want to jump just yet.
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I was struggling with multiple layers really slowing down my 4gb(3gb) xp machine. I only had to get upto 5 or 6 and it really slowed with Lightroom open as well ( I generally use Lightroom them click edit in photoshop).
 
vizzair said:
one thing I have noticed when importing the catalog from lr3 to 4, the GPS support for LR3 was via plugin , but the metadata used in LR3 is marked as "GPS shadow" or "shadow GPS" can't remember which, but anyway the data isn't imported with the catalog:'(, so all my tediously marked GPS photos are now no longer marked.:(

Also as I cant afford the silly price for a nikon GPS unit [spent it on LR4;)], I was using a tracker app on my phone to record where I was. The LR3 plugin then looked at timestamps and marked your pictures with the gps coords: Now has anyone tried to do the same with LR4? , ie record a track, export the data and correllate the data in LR4.
I only tried importing last night, no time to create new pictures and data until weekend.
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From what I read, if you haven't got a gps unit I.e. on the dslr, then you can pick the location manually on the map.
Then apparently it logs in the metadata which is then available as a sch by location. Now that's neat.
 
What are peoples views on the upgarde from 3 to 4.

Is it worth it.
 
Byker28i said:
I was struggling with multiple layers really slowing down my 4gb(3gb) xp machine. I only had to get upto 5 or 6 and it really slowed with Lightroom open as well ( I generally use Lightroom them click edit in photoshop).
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That's kind of what I do as well, I'll easily have 5/6 layers in my files. Obviously there are other factors effecting things between our machines.
 
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boliston said:
I would have thought that RAW support would be decided by the version of camera raw that you are running rather than the version of Lightroom.
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Lightroom is a stand alone program, it doesn't rely on having camera raw or photoshop to work, it's using a slightly updated version of the camera raw engine itself, that will come out in CS6 shortly.
 
Bullysrus said:
What are peoples views on the upgarde from 3 to 4.

Is it worth it.
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I only had the briefest of time to play with it when I bought it on Tuesday before going away for a couple of days but I would definitely say it was worth the £60 to upgrade from LR3. The map alone was worth it for me personally. It feels a lot quicker for me too, less lag when switching between modules.
 
Just had a live chat with Adobe Sales on upgrading to LR4.

I have Win 7 on my desktop which is the master for all my images, but I also have a Win XP laptop which I use when travelling with a second copy of LR so I can review the images I have taken, etc.

Unfortunately as soon as you register a LR4 upgrade, the LR3 licence becomes deactivated, so to get a dual LR3/4 setup I would need to buy a full copy of LR4.

She did say she would send my 'feedback' on this to her supervisor to make them aware of the issue (and the lost sale, as I doubt I'll upgrade LR until I upgrade the laptop, which is unlikely as I also use it for work, and have software which will only run on native XP).
 
Faldrax said:
Just had a live chat with Adobe Sales on upgrading to LR4.

I have Win 7 on my desktop which is the master for all my images, but I also have a Win XP laptop which I use when travelling with a second copy of LR so I can review the images I have taken, etc.

Unfortunately as soon as you register a LR4 upgrade, the LR3 licence becomes deactivated, so to get a dual LR3/4 setup I would need to buy a full copy of LR4.

She did say she would send my 'feedback' on this to her supervisor to make them aware of the issue (and the lost sale, as I doubt I'll upgrade LR until I upgrade the laptop, which is unlikely as I also use it for work, and have software which will only run on native XP).
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This may have just answered my question but I'll ask it anyway. If I upgrade to LR4 does my copy of LR3 become obsolete? The reason I ask is that I was toying with the idea of upgrading and then giving my old (3months) copy of LR3 to my dad. Will this work? I thought you could install on 2 pc's as long as they are not used simultaneously.
 
My understanding is that it is 2 machines for the same user. You're probably best reading the EULA yourself though, rather than relying on opinion from the Internet.

If you bought the full LR4, you would be free to do whatever you want with your LR3.
 
ChrisJ_SLH said:
I only had the briefest of time to play with it when I bought it on Tuesday before going away for a couple of days but I would definitely say it was worth the £60 to upgrade from LR3. The map alone was worth it for me personally. It feels a lot quicker for me too, less lag when switching between modules.
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Thanks, ill take a look then
 
Phil1974 said:
This may have just answered my question but I'll ask it anyway. If I upgrade to LR4 does my copy of LR3 become obsolete? The reason I ask is that I was toying with the idea of upgrading and then giving my old (3months) copy of LR3 to my dad. Will this work? I thought you could install on 2 pc's as long as they are not used simultaneously.
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If you Upgrade you are 'trading in' your LR3 licence for a LR4 licence - the LR3 licence is no longer valid.

You can have 2 copies installed (It's what I do with both LR & PSE) - the problem is that the licence is specific to the version, so when you upgrade it marks the old LR3 licence code as unavailable - even on a separate installation. So you can have 2 copies of LR3 (using the original licence) OR 2 copies of LR4 (using the upgrade licence), but NOT 1 LR3 and 1 LR4 (because why would you want to still use the old version...:annoyed:)
 
Thanks Lewis & Jonathan. That's pretty much what I thought but worth asking. :)
 
When I had to put the serial for LR4 in the registration box, it automatically picked up the LR3 licence number and put it in the appropriate box for registering LR4.
 
well i installed it last night and mixed feelings. Some of it is very laggy, the effects from sliding some sliders takes a noticeable amount of time to show up on the image which never happened in LR3, ive got a total brute of a machine as well so wasnt expecting that.

The photobook option is nice, just need to point it to a UK book creation site and it would be lovely.

Overall i cant honestly tell much difference in how the renamed sliders affect things differently to LR3 but i like the new book and map modules :)
 
I've said this in a couple of places.....

I get the whole 23% VAT vs 20% VAT thing. But srsly, Adobe want a smack round the head with a baseball bat for making box product cost less than download.

At a time when every other company is offering "environmental" incentives to take people soft copies, Adobe are financially incentivising people to get boxes they don't want shipped to them. And they have been for ages.

I understand 23% is greater than 20% but

1. There is no law that says their servers have to be located in ROI. They could move them to Luxembourg for example and argue they get the eBook special VAT deal (their economy is slightly bigger than Luxembourg's so I suspect the Amazon rule would apply).

2. There is also no law requiring them to charge just as much for a download (which effectively costs them a small amount of electricity) as for burning the code to a plastic disk, wrapping it in a dead tree and shipping it all over the world to people who by and large don't want bits of plastic wrapped in dead trees.

If they were doing this in the US then there would be a revolt.

BTW - Quidco. 8% cashback.
 
I'm highly impressed.
  • The new develop tools seem to make it much easier to get an image with different bits exposed correctly.
  • It seems just as fast, if not faster, than LR3 on my system.
  • The Map module is fantastic!
 
I've run the new LR 4 for a couple of days now. The installation went fine and when I ran it, it offered to upgrade my LR3 catalog (which I'd backed up just in case!). It did this flawlessly.

When opening an image previously adjusted in LR3 that image will keep the LR3 develop settings under the 2010 or 2011 process that LR3 used. As a consequence, the develop controls in LR4 will actually only reflect those used in LR3, the new LR4 ones won't be visible until you update the image to the 2012 process. When you do this, the image preview may change very slightly since the adjustments in LR4 work in a different way to the old LR3 and there is sometimes no direct equivelant.

I found LR4 to be just as responsive as LR3. However, I have a top end machine. If someone was just getting by on an older machine with LR3, they may indeed notice a slight delay in some aspects of LR4. This merely reflects the advanced algorithms being processor and memory hungry. Software leaps forward and hardware catches up in a game of leapfrog I'm afraid. More advanced versions of software put a strain on older kit.

I really like the develop options in LR4. The replacement for Fill, the shadows slider works great in conjunction with the recovery replacement, Highlights.

The revamped Clarity is visibly better and less obviously sharpens detail for a better look.

It will take us a while to get used to the new develop engine but it is a definite step forward and is capable of great results.

BUT

I am having problems with my system which is dual monitor. LR4 seems to get confused and hangs if I leave it to edit in CS5 for example. It permanently disapears from the primary screen and I have to stop its process in Task Manager to get going again. Hard to tell if it's an LR bug or something peculiar to my system at this stage. Drivers and so on are the latest and a reinstall made no difference.
 
A quick addition on the Lightroom topic. I've noticed on all forums a number of complaints that LR4 won't run on XP whether 32bit or 64bit. Adobe have quite bluntly said that they have no intention of investing time and money on an operating system that is obsolete and no longer supported. I'm always amazed that so many people still run XP and whilst a very few may need to for hardware compatability, the majority are just being obstinate I think! Sorry.
 
brianw said:
A quick addition on the Lightroom topic. I've noticed on all forums a number of complaints that LR4 won't run on XP whether 32bit or 64bit. Adobe have quite bluntly said that they have no intention of investing time and money on an operating system that is obsolete and no longer supported. I'm always amazed that so many people still run XP and whilst a very few may need to for hardware compatability, the majority are just being obstinate I think! Sorry.
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I use XP for work - I develop control software for specialised machines that have been in production over 10 years - a few of the development tools will only run on native XP, so until we can develop a set that run on Win 7 we are stuck (and the customer prefers us to spend our time adding new features so they can make more sales, rather than making life easier for ourselves).

That said, for all the general office work I also do (document writing, email, etc) XP is fine - the machine is fast enough. Booting could be quicker, but doesn't slow me down as I can be setting the coffee machine going with the first brew of the day while it does so.

My laptop is also XP - it's a few years old, but does what I need as a machine for when I'm not at my desk. It is also what I use to download images when on holiday (they are then backed up onto a portable HD as a second copy). I use LR to view the RAW files, and perhaps do some quick edits and export a few jpegs to post online.

I have no reason to upgrade the laptop - it works fine, and is quite fast enough for my needs. This is not being 'obstinate', it is being realistic.

If I had a spare £1k to get a replacement (laptops with 17" 1920x1080 displays are not cheap) I would rather spend it on a decent lens!
 
brianw said:
A quick addition on the Lightroom topic. I've noticed on all forums a number of complaints that LR4 won't run on XP whether 32bit or 64bit. Adobe have quite bluntly said that they have no intention of investing time and money on an operating system that is obsolete and no longer supported. I'm always amazed that so many people still run XP and whilst a very few may need to for hardware compatability, the majority are just being obstinate I think! Sorry.
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If you think that's bad....
A significant percentage of our customers still use IE6 !!!!
And it's not like there are any fans of IE6 out there; it's awful...

As for XP...
Last Summer my work XP laptop had a driver problem resulting in it being baselined.
And rather than reinstall with XP, we decided to go for Windows 7 64bit. A bit of an experiment as I was the first of the development team to try it and see if our tools still worked (we write secure web applications).
For what I do, it's a quantum leap forward. Startup is faster and compilation time are so much faster I never bothered installing the RAM Drive. Same hardware and still only 4Gb of RAM.
It is a much more pleasant experience to use all day every day; the old hands used DOS prompts as shortcuts, but we don't need to do that any more. It's great!
The whole team will be using Windows 7 within the next few weeks.

Back on topic...
My boxed LR4 arrived this morning - YAY!
From what I'm reading here and elsewhere, it should help me quite a lot.
 
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Faldrax said:
I use XP for work - I develop control software for specialised machines that have been in production over 10 years - a few of the development tools will only run on native XP, so until we can develop a set that run on Win 7 we are stuck (and the customer prefers us to spend our time adding new features so they can make more sales, rather than making life easier for ourselves).
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We have several old applications that run on XP (and even dos in windows 95).
Have a look at Windows virtual PC and Windows XP mode under Windows 7. You can run XP applications under a virtual PC on Windows 7, but even launch them from an ico/start menu item without the user realising they are running on a virtual machine.

I bought LR4 boxed copy also. Nice to have something tangible in my hands.
 
I bought the Student version of Lightroom 3 in 2010 and have been able to upgrade to L4 for just £59 even though I am no longer a student.....installed it this morning and now going to have a play and watch Julianne Kost new video tutorials on the differences.....the software came from Germany??
Dave
 
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nikonuser said:
I bought the Student version of Lightroom 3 in 2010 and have been able to upgrade to L4 for just £59 even though I am no longer a student.....installed it this morning and now going to have a play and watch Julianne Kost new video tutorials on the differences.....the software came from Germany??
Dave
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Good to know! :) may have to upgrade then if I can do that, as I did the same.
 
When pre-viewing a photo the 'loading circle' can take a good couple of seconds to complete. Ive not got the latest PC but was wondering if anyone else suffered from this?
 
Well, i have finally upgraded my iMac to LR4 now I am home and I have to say it feels faster and I love the new map module too... plus I think I shall have to have a serious play with the book module too.

So far, definitely worth the money.
 
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