Uniqball & Flexline tripod heads, anybody in here using them?

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I'm buying a new ball head and I was going to add a levelling base too.
I have come across the Uniqball and Flexline tripod heads, and it seems like they can do the job of both, save me some weight and it's also one less thing to carry around.

Is there anyone in here using any of the Uniqball heads, please? I'm mainly looking at the Uniqball UBH 35P, the one with the panorama clamp.
If so, what's your experience? Good? Bad?

Thanks.
 
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Whether a Uniqball head is worth it comes down really to your uses.

It works well as a normal bullhead when using the lower ball but when that is used to level the head the upper ball only allows rotation plus movement in one plane.

A super bit of engineering...

(The Flexline is widely touted as a copy of the Uniqball although strongly denied by those selling it)
 
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Whether a Uniqball head is worth it comes down really to your uses.

It works well as a normal bullhead when using the lower ball but when that is used to level the head the upper ball only allows rotation plus movement in one plane.

A super bit of engineering...

(The Flexline is widely touted as a copy of the Uniqball although strongly denied by those selling it)

Many thanks for your reply.

My use will be mainly for landscapes and panoramas.
 
I've had a uniqball head for three years now and get on well with it. I started off with the smaller version but upgraded to the larger version because I had moved to a larger heavier telephoto lens. For the last two years since getting the larger version I've only had the one tripod head for lenses from 24-400mm (I had a gimbal with the smaller uniqball when I first upgraded the 200-400 found it a pain to have two heads). I've found having one head for both landscape and wildlife great for me as I always know I have the right head on the tripod whether I'm doing landscapes or wildlife (perfect for the trips where I'm doing both). Having one head for both wildlife and landscapes is a compromise but I generally find there are less compromises with the uniqball than other options, there isn't many other heads that give the flexibility of large telephoto lenses (200-400 in my case) for wildlife and 24-70/70-200 lenses for landscapes. I have a friend that has the smaller 35 pano version, he seems to get on with it ok and he only does landscapes now. I like the pano clamp so added it to the larger version.

I wrote about the uniqball and my experience with it over the past 3 years earlier this year.

https://spark.adobe.com/page/QoWAd2dU8n0MQ/

I wrote a blog on my first thoughts when I first got the smaller version back in 2014.

http://robcain.zenfolio.com/blog/2014/6/tripod-head-search-the-uniqball

(I'm just changing websites so not all of the previous blog content has been created on the new website).
 
Rob... Great user experience review... You have me thinking of a change now :)
 
Is there anyone in here using any of the Uniqball heads, please?

I have a 35 and 45 uniqball heads. I like them but not sure if I would buy them for general landscape, but they are well made, and do what they say they do.

As they are made up with a ball head within a ball head, they allow you to use the outer ball head like a levelling base. The inner ball head is locked into the level position set by the outer ball, and it then acts more like a pan and tilt head than a ball head. The outer ball head is locked off once you set it up with the built in spirit level, and the tension on the inner ball head is adjusted to counterbalance the weight of the camera and lens. This allows you to move the camera and take photographs without ever locking the inner ball. If you get the tension exactly right, you can compose, and take your hand away from the camera and it doesn't move.

This is great for long lenses and wildlife as you can pan a flying bird knowing the horizon will stay straight, and I also use it for a telescope. It's also great for general purpose landscape and the built in levelling base capability should make it good option for panoramas, and a ball head is easier to carry than heads with handles. I used to carry a three way head, or a normal ball head for photography Plus a video head for the telescope (or video), but now I just carry a single uniqball head which is good (but not great) for all uses.

Issues:

The Arca swiss clamp is very fussy and doesn't work with "every" Arca plate I have. My other arca clamps work with every plate, but the uniqball clamps won't tighten enough to lock them.

Although the outer ball locks without creep, the inner ball moves a lot when you lock it off. And is really difficult to use if you want to lock the head down before taking the shot. If you get the counterbalance correct you probably don't need to lock off the inner ball, but I still don't feel entirely comfortable leaving it unlocked.

With close up work or when you need an more extreme camera position, ie pointing down a lot, you need to iterate your adjustments using both the outer and inner ball head, as both have a limited range of movements, and the position of one ball has a big effect on how you need to move the other ball. And because of the creep with the inner ball head, you need to make your final adjustments with the outer ball, which isn't as easy as using the inner ball, but then you can't really use the inner ball, because it creeps when you lock it off. Note this is only really an issue with closeups and extreme angles of view, and you do get used to it, but its still a bit of an irritation. This creep may now be fixed, but the faqs at uniqball suggested this was a consequence of the design, and something you just had to live with.

Overall, I think its strength is in its versatility: as a ball head it's not as good as my Linhof ball head (but I think the cost of this makes the Uniqball heads look cheap), its not as good as a Gimbal head for long lens wildlife photography, its not as good as a video head for video or telescope use, and its not as good as three way head (especially a geared head) for landscape or closeup photography.

But it does a good job of replacing all these heads, when you have a limited budget and multiple uses, or/and there is a limit to how many tripod heads you can carry and you need a compact head.

For the reasons I bought mine in the first place, I would buy one again, but now also look at the Flexline heads. Until your post I didn't know they existed. And I see that Andy Rouse, who was promoting and selling Uniqball heads seems to now be involved with Flexline, and has a video saying that their is no image creep with the Fexline heads.

My dream landscape head is here
 
Paubass,

I had one of the first UB35P's in the country when they were introduced in spring last year. I really wanted to like it!. But I found that the disadvantages, as outlined by Rob above, outweighed the advantages. For landscapes I questioned how important it was to keep the horizon exactly horizontal. There are times when this is important, at the coast, for example, but in many situations it really doesn't matter. So having said that it became a real pain having to reset the outer ball every time I moved the tripod. I found myself cursing and swearing in some situations, especially on uneven ground. If it were possible to use the outer ball as a simple ball and socket head that would be fine,; you could set the inner ball and use only the outer one. But the trouble is, the outer ball is not damped at all which makes a really crap b&s head. It's either set or loose. In the end, after about 12months trying to get used to it, I decided to sell it, and Rob bought it!

The link below is to my original review

https://wp.me/p2BFlt-rV.

So what did I do without the Uniqball? I searched and searched the internet for a head which would function as a ball-head and a gimbal. (this was before the Flex-line, which I only heard of just now.) I evenually came across the Acra-tech range of heads from the US and bought their smallest model the GP-SS, (small,small) which turned out pretty well. It was extremely lightweight, worked well as a ball-head, and can be used as a gimbal. My biggest gripe was that it would flop over, forwards or sideways, unless it was fully tightened up. After having used it for a couple of months I had the chance to upgrade to a larger model free-of-charge and plumped for the GP, which is definite improvement over the SS. It is still lightweight, and still tends to flop over if not fully and obsessively tightened up. But I'm very happy with it. I don't regret trying the Uniqball, because it's a lovely-looking piece of kit.

For a further discussion on the Uniqball and first impressions of the GPSS, click on the link below

https://wp.me/p2BFlt-vL
 
That's a very good and informatice review Rob, thanks.

Thanks as well Myotis for your post with all the info.

How bas is the image creep? This is something I have not really liked in previous heads I've had.
After some reading and watching a few videos Flexline seem to have addressed that issue.
 
I found it was pretty bad. It was one of the disadvantages of the Uniqball, but I could have got used to it if was the only one.

Funny that Andy Rouse was singing the praises of the Uniqball, and it looks like at the same time he was going in to business with one of its competitors.......
 
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Many thanks Jerry, I'm reading your write ups and I see what you mean.
Ummm, I thought it would be a good idea for panoramic work and it would save me having to have both, a levelling base and a ball head, mounted on my tripod.

If the creep is that bad, I'd be looking at the Flexline instead.
 
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I found it was pretty bad. It was one of the disadvantages of the Uniqball, and I could have got used to it if was the only one.

Funny that Andy Rouse was singing the praises of the Uniqball, and it looks like at the same time he was going in to business with one of its competitors.......

Maybe more complicated than this as Csaba Karai was originally part of the Uniqball team, and it is him who is now listed as the person behind Flexline, so this looks like a a break away from Uniqball that also took Andy Rouse.
 
How bas is the image creep? This is something I have not really liked in previous heads I've had.
After some reading and watching a few videos Flexline seem to have addressed that issue.

Image creep is pretty bad for closeup, but you can switch between the inner and outer ball, and finally lock off on the outer ball, which is pretty good at avoiding creep. But the outer ball isn't that well damped.

So, it's workable, but I think I would now try a Flexline head, as they seemed to have improved a bit on some of the original Uniqball design features. My Linhof ball head has a slight creep, but Linhof insist it should have none and that I should send it in for a service (Its probably 30+ years old now, so maybe it deserves a service). I did use the top of range Arca Swiss ball head at one time, and it also crept a little in closeup.

So, I've found all ball heads creep, which is why I would rather have a geared head.

I use an acra-tech levelling base with video heads, and I think, but haven't put much thought into it, that if I didn't want the versatility of these double ball heads. I would probably look at a levelling base and one of the Manfrotto geared heads (as I cannot afford the arca geared head I linked to earlier).

I have briefly played with this one and its seems to work well. You can totally unlock the movement on any one axis with the big knob, for quick positioning, and then turn the smaller knob for precise positioning. But I haven't researched the market, or studied reviews, so I'm not actually recommending this head, and historically I have not been a fan of Manfrotto.

If I went back to doing a lot of close up work, or the amount of landscape detail photography that used to do I would be swapping my uniqball, for something different. For as I said in my last post, much as I like the heads, they are very much a compromise, and I think the people who most benefit from this compromise are wildlife photographers.
 
Many thanks Jerry, I'm reading your write ups and I see what you mean.
Ummm, I thought it would be a good idea for panoramic work and it would save me having to have both, a levelling base and a ball head, mounted on my tripod.

If the creep is that bad, I'd be looking at the Flexline instead.
If the head has a panoramic clamp you don't need a leveling base...

I use both models of UniqBall heads and have from the beginning... I don't think I would call it image creep (as in droop). It's image shift; when you tighten the inner ball it shifts vertically, and it can be quite significant. But I find it easy to account for.

But my preference for landscape work is a geared head. In a similar price range would be SunwayFoto GH-Pro (D4 copy), or maybe manfrotto 405/410jr. If using a more general type of head you can just get an accessory panning clamp for the top...
 
or maybe manfrotto 405/410jr.

This was the head I suggested in my earlier post (the 410), but have only briefly played with it. Have you actually used this, and if so is the gearing fine enough to allow precision positioning.
 
This was the head I suggested in my earlier post (the 410), but have only briefly played with it. Have you actually used this, and if so is the gearing fine enough to allow precision positioning.
Mine is yes, as with most things there is a bit of tolerance and some 410 heads have a minute amount of play in the gearing, only really noticeable if grabbing the camera and trying to move it.

I use it for macro, landscape and architectural.
 
Mine is yes, as with most things there is a bit of tolerance and some 410 heads have a minute amount of play in the gearing, only really noticeable if grabbing the camera and trying to move it.

Thanks, that's useful to know, I will have a proper look at one. Although I like my Uniqball heads, they have their limitations.
 
Maybe more complicated than this as Csaba Karai was originally part of the Uniqball team, and it is him who is now listed as the person behind Flexline, so this looks like a a break away from Uniqball that also took Andy Rouse.

Whatever........but I will never believe a word that Andy Rouse says again......
 
Whatever........but I will never believe a word that Andy Rouse says again......
Not sure I follow why you should disbelieve him just because he has moved from supporting the original uniqball, to this newer product, which judging by the design changes only, would seem to be better than the original.

Wouldn't you have more grounds for concern if he continued to support uniqball, now that a potentially better alternative is available?
 
Thanks everyone for all your help.

I'm really having second thoughts about these type of heads now.
Many good photographers I know just use a leveling base and and ball head on top, then shoot panoramas in portrait mode.
In paper I thought the 35P would work fine, level you horizon, set your frame and you are done. Plus it has the pano clamp to swap orientation to portrait without the need of anything else.
 
Not sure I follow why you should disbelieve him just because he has moved from supporting the original uniqball, to this newer product, which judging by the design changes only, would seem to be better than the original.

Wouldn't you have more grounds for concern if he continued to support uniqball, now that a potentially better alternative is available?


It's the promoting AND selling which bug me..........
 
It's the promoting AND selling which bug me..........
Doesn't that just make him the same as anyone else who sells something, which they won't sell unless they promote it. He used to sell Uniqball (which is where I bought mine), and now he sells Flexline.

We are obviously seeing this from a totally different perspective, as I don't see how anything has changed (other than the make of ballhead).
 
Doesn't that just make him the same as anyone else who sells something, which they won't sell unless they promote it. He used to sell Uniqball (which is where I bought mine), and now he sells Flexline.

We are obviously seeing this from a totally different perspective, as I don't see how anything has changed (other than the make of ballhead).

I think it's time to draw a line under this.......
 
Doesn't that just make him the same as anyone else who sells something, which they won't sell unless they promote it. He used to sell Uniqball (which is where I bought mine), and now he sells Flexline.

We are obviously seeing this from a totally different perspective, as I don't see how anything has changed (other than the make of ballhead).

If you accept that as a starting position, then all is well, but hand in hand with that must be an acceptance that his position is fundamentally compromised by commercial self interest. Most people though see Andy Rouse as a world class wildlife photographer who knows his stuff and only uses the best equipment - as he flits from Canon to Nikon and back to Canon again, or from Uniqball to Flexline, with gushing reviews on every occasion. It's called running with the fox and hunting with the hounds, but that only works up to the point when the hounds get a proper sniff.

That's when it backfires. I rather like the look of the Flexline, but we've heard it all before and won't know for sure until we get some properly independent reviews.

Edit: look closely at the demo video of that Zero Recoil System nonsense (otherwise known as a friction adjuster) where he spins the camera around. It doesn't always stay exactly in position as a gimbal would, and also note that he rather sneakily nips up the friction control just before he does the actual spin.
http://www.andyrouse.co.uk/index.php?p=1000063
 
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Its all balls to me and looks a bit like using a sledgehammer to crack a nut
 
If you accept that as a starting position, then all is well, but hand in hand with that must be an acceptance that his position is fundamentally compromised by commercial self interest. Most people though see Andy Rouse as a world class wildlife photographer who knows his stuff and only uses the best equipment - as he flits from Canon to Nikon and back to Canon again, or from Uniqball to Flexline, with gushing reviews on every occasion. It's called running with the fox and hunting with the hounds, but that only works up to the point when the hounds get a proper sniff.

That's when it backfires. I rather like the look of the Flexline, but we've heard it all before and won't know for sure until we get some properly independent reviews.

But wasn't his position "fundamentally compromised" when he was "gushing" about Uniqball, while also selling it.

When I watched his reviews back in 2014, when I bought my heads from him, I knew he was also the person selling them, and treated his comments appropriately, just as I will do with his comments on the Flexline heads. So for me, nothing has fundamentally changed just because he used to sell Uniqball, and now he is selling Flexline.
 
This was the head I suggested in my earlier post (the 410), but have only briefly played with it. Have you actually used this, and if so is the gearing fine enough to allow precision positioning.
The 410jr is less fine than the 405, and both are less fine/refined than the GH-Pro... I've used/owned all of them.
 
Thanks everyone for all your help.

I'm really having second thoughts about these type of heads now.
Many good photographers I know just use a leveling base and and ball head on top, then shoot panoramas in portrait mode.
In paper I thought the 35P would work fine, level you horizon, set your frame and you are done. Plus it has the pano clamp to swap orientation to portrait without the need of anything else.
The 35P would work quite well... but if you just add an accessory panning clamp to whatever you have already, it will work just as well for what you want quite cheaply. Personally, I'm not fond of panning clamps for general use as they don't lock down very firmly due to the small interfaces/mechanisms/knobs. A better option (IMO) is an accessory panning clamp (pretty cheap) or an "inverted head" design like the Arca Swiss P-0, and Acratech GP... but the same can be accomplished by inverting any standard ballhead and attaching a clamp to the bottom for cheap.

There isn't a single choice to be made that isn't some sort of compromise, regardless of the price... my personal choice for what you specifically mentioned is the GH-Pro geared head, but I wouldn't consider it a great "universal head." The UniqBall I do consider a great universal head, but it's a "jack of all, master of none" type of thing. I don't see anything different about the Flexline unless you go to their top model which is pretty pricey.
 
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The 410jr is less fine than the 405, and both are less fine/refined than the GH-Pro... I've used/owned all of them.

Thanks, I've also just looked at the SunwayPhoto head and that looks pretty good. I hadn't heard of this head before, so very useful to know about.
 
Edit: look closely at the demo video of that Zero Recoil System nonsense (otherwise known as a friction adjuster) where he spins the camera around. It doesn't always stay exactly in position as a gimbal would, and also note that he rather sneakily nips up the friction control just before he does the actual spin.
I can set the friction on my UniqBall heads to work as well as that. The Flexline Extreme seems interesting in that it's spring counterbalanced like better fluid heads are, but with no settings/adjustments it's probably more just another gimmick/marketing feature. And for 810€???
 
Thanks, I've also just looked at the SunwayPhoto head and that looks pretty good. I hadn't heard of this head before, so very useful to know about.
It's a D4 wannabe... quite nice for the price, but not a D4. And the lack of gearing on the third axis is problematic for me for a lot of work (macro/product/etc). But for landscape/architecture I think it's great.
 
It's a D4 wannabe... quite nice for the price, but not a D4. And the lack of gearing on the third axis is problematic for me for a lot of work (macro/product/etc). But for landscape/architecture I think it's great.
In one of my earlier posts in this thread, I cited the D4 as my dream landscape/close up head, hence my interest in the sunwayfoto. From now reading your review on tripod heads, it seems that comments on weight vs function exactly match my own concerns. I'm happy enough with the heads I have, but would still really like to add a geared one to my toolbox.
 
In one of my earlier posts in this thread, I cited the D4 as my dream landscape/close up head, hence my interest in the sunwayfoto. From now reading your review on tripod heads, it seems that comments on weight vs function exactly match my own concerns. I'm happy enough with the heads I have, but would still really like to add a geared one to my toolbox.

Arca-Swiss D4 is probably the closest approach to the ultimate all-rounder that I've tried, though it is getting a little heavy and very expensive. I'd like to try the more affordable SunwayFoto GH Pro, though I'm assured that it's not actually anything to do with SunwayFoto now after they withdrew it following legal threats from Arca-Swiss (or more likely because mainstream dealers refused to stock it as they'd be held liable too). The GH Pro you can buy on-line is not branded SunwayFoto and is produced independently by an ex-employee who legged it with the drawings, or so the story goes.

I now use two heads - Arca-Swiss P0 for out and about (perfect for flat-panning panoramas BTW), and geared Manfrotto 405 for studio. If I really needed something smaller/lighter and geared for outdoors, for architecture perhaps, I'd probably stump up for that Arca-Swiss D4, or even an Arca-Swiss Cube if feeling flush :)
 
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Arca-Swiss D4 is probably the closest approach to the ultimate all-rounder that I've tried, though it is getting a little heavy and very expensive. I'd like to try the more affordable SunwayFoto GH Pro, though I'm assured that it's not actually anything to do with SunwayFoto now after they withdrew it following legal threats from Arca-Swiss

Thanks, until this thread I'd never heard of the Sunwayfoto, but had the Arca or Linhof geared heads as maybe one day buys. I was also obviously not aware of the Sunwayfoto story, though I see their own web site still has the head (albeit on backorder) available, but with it redesigned for 2017. I wonder if they have tried to get round the legal issues with a redesign.

I will certainly keep my eye on this now.
 
I don't think I could use a Cube or Linhof 3d... that's getting bit anal, even for me...;)

My need for an A-S Cube is probably more GAS related :D

Thanks, until this thread I'd never heard of the Sunwayfoto, but had the Arca or Linhof geared heads as maybe one day buys. I was also obviously not aware of the Sunwayfoto story, though I see their own web site still has the head (albeit on backorder) available, but with it redesigned for 2017. I wonder if they have tried to get round the legal issues with a redesign.

I will certainly keep my eye on this now.

I can't see the GH Pro on the SunwayFoto.com site, but it's on com.au. Who knows, Far Eastern manufacturers are not known for respecting patents but bricks & mortar retailers in the US and EU are more cautious ;)

Another one to look at is the KPS T5 geared ball head. I've never seen one, let alone used one. Steven sk66 may know more. It's important to try these things before spending a lot of money, particularly geared heads where the action and functions can be down to personal preference. At the Photography Show at the NEC in March perhaps. If you buy mail-order, they may not accept for refund if the head is marked in any way, and it's hard to avoid that, but it can be done if you're careful and put a sheet of copy paper under the head, and line the jaws of the clamp with the same.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebesLPubsEM
 
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