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driving down Ber St in Norwich this morning, saw some old guy collapse (really banged his head on the way down) and start to fit...

Stopped immediately, another guy stopped as well - and called 999 (that's an experience in itself) .... "Do yuo have a defributalor nearby" was one question and "Ber St is a long street (it's not really - 500-600 yds) where are you?" - "By the guy on the ground with all the bystanders.... oh wait, i can see the paramedics, I'll stand in the middle of the road and attract their attention"...

then the great bit....

Get told off by a "parking attendant" for stopping on a double yellow line. He got more than he bargained for. "But it is a bus route."

"I don't give a flying *@!# if it's a runway."
 
neil_g said:
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some people really are blinkered to things going on around them..
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Ah, the milk of human kindness, and these people will be the ones bleating about not getting treated with respect by the general public "when they're only doing their job"
:cuckoo:
 
First of all, well done for stopping and helping. Many get scared and move along.

Lets hope the jobs worth parking attendant doesn't need your help in the future :P
 
gazedd said:
First of all, well done for stopping and helping. Many get scared and move along.

Lets hope the jobs worth parking attendant doesn't need your help in the future :P
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Lets hope the wee neds get hold of the local defibrilator and zap his ass with it :lol:
 
I'd get his name and make an official complaint. That's the wrong attitude completely. He'd probably ticket an ambulance...
 
gazedd said:
First of all, well done for stopping and helping. Many get scared and move along.
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It's unbelievable how often this happens. I was in one of the local supermarkets here once and standing in the queue at the checkout I saw an old man was slowly getting weaker in the legs and was about to collapse. I barged through the queues and pushed past people and helped him sit down, and waited with him until a member of staff could help him walk outside. When I turned around, the entire supermarket had stopped and were gawping at me like I'd just unzipped my trousers and proceeded to pee all over the floor. Not one person out of the 100+ in sight of the incident had said a word or offered to help! :shake: :thinking:
 
gazedd said:
First of all, well done for stopping and helping. Many get scared and move along.

Lets hope the jobs worth parking attendant doesn't need your help in the future :P
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Definitely second this, good on you
 
15 years ago, I was at the hospital. I had a broken ankle and was on crutches and was there for an outpatients appointment. It was raining and the floor inside was wet. My crutches slipped and over I went, not one person came over to help! Couldn't see if there were any nurses or doctors about, plenty of other people about though.

When I spoke to the surgeon he said it was because people are frigtened of being sued. Speaks volume about the society we live in!
 
When I spoke to the surgeon he said it was because people are frigtened of being sued. Speaks volume about the society we live in
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Too true - one of the most annoying things is on my last police 1st aid course, we were warned about applying plasters to members of the public as we were liable to get sued if an infection followed! Hate to even think of how I'd be viewed if I just stood by gawping instead of trying to help.

Well done to those who help.
 
When I did my first aid course last year we were advised only to offer help and provide materials. So if I come across someone who is seriously hurt I can reach them bandages and they have to apply them to themselves, I think it's a disgrace that this has happened we definitely live in a claim society.
 
Whoever taught you that martyboy should not be teaching first aid. Maybe they are more scared of there teaching abilities than anything else.

There has never been a case in the UK where a first aider has been successfully sued.
Even in the "sue em" capitol of the world tthere are very few instances of first aiders getting sued.

With the police it is a little different as they are often seen as a target for being sued and I really don't see it being a coppers role to apply a plaster a dressing on a serious wound yes, but not a plaster. In fact most County Ambulances don't even carry any plasters.
 
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I remember a few years ago in town, I was walking towards Jessops of all places and saw a guy in a wheelchair further down the road attempting to get up the kerb. He got part way, but then as expected, went ass over tit backwards.

Not only did no one rush help him, but some bloke who was waking past behind him actually started having a go at this disabled bloke writhing helplessly on the floor because his wheelchair had hit his ankle as it fell to the ground.
If I was 3 foot taller that bloke would have been writhing helplessly on the ground.
Its a sickening society we live in today.
 
Munch - I think the instructor was using it more as an expression, but if we have to think twice before helping the public with the most basic of first aid then the world really has gone mad.

Luckilly everyone on the course just laughed and agreed to take the risk!
 
People don't help in any situation

Some years ago a blind girl was waiting to cross a busy road, the dog wouldn't cross because of the traffic, she was on the other side of the road as I went in the bank

I came out 5 minutes later and she was still stood there, it was lunchtime, 50 people must have walked past her, I crossed the busy road and helped her across or she'd have been standing there until the traffic died down
 
Well done on stopping and helping Lynton.

As for the traffic warden he needs a slap and demoting to a Tesco trolley pusher!
 
well done Lynton :)

(and the thought of the traffic warden being zapped on the ar5e by the defibrillator made me laff ;) :lol: )
 
Lynton said:
Get told off by a "parking attendant" for stopping on a double yellow line. He got more than he bargained for. "But it is a bus route."

"I don't give a flying *@!# if it's a runway."
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Well done for helping, to many don't these days,

Years ago I worked retail security in a city centre shopping centre, was called to an incident on the main street, an elderly lady had collapsed at a bus stop (we supplied first aid cover), while treating her and awaiting the paramedics arriving, a bus pulled up at the stop and opened his doors, asked the driver to move futher down the street, got reply, this is my bus stop, I am going to pick up my passengers, to ge on the bus they would have to step over tne lady, just as I was starting to not so politely tell him yet again to move wa joined by local police (was passing so came to assist) he heard me getting annoyed with the driver, and steped in, he told the driver to move on, and to utter disbalife he again refused (even thoug it was now a polic officer insisting), and have to say loved the police officers reply, which was fine, I'll move it for you once I have arrested you, a rathe pale looking driver soon moved the bus :)
 
Mrs S has insisted I tell you all the bit I kept quiet until now as well.......... as was so annoyed earlier.... but might have blown it out of all proportion.....

Mr P. Attendant at one point told me he was within his right to ticket me..... (which technically he was - and I accept that I was breaking the highway code - though also firmly believe that discretion and common sense needs to be applied in some instances........ is a car parked, if engine running, door open, hazzards on, parking at a wonky angle to say the least) )

I responded with "go ahead".. which clearly confused him... "but, I will photograph you doing it... (kit in the boot) , and I will ensure you are recognisable and the ambulance and paramedics are clearly visible as well.... and I will email it to every national paper today, with a bit of narrative, and copy in the Chief Exec of Norwich City Council.

The choice is entirely yours."

At this point some others including the bloke walking past who helped, suggested in no uncertain terms, he may like to shall we say "do one?"
 
I thought the risk with first aid was actually with stopping treatment if you were trained? Eg if someone collapses and you're doing CPR you have to carry on until the ambulance gets there or make sure someone takes over if you get tired.

When I was at school they stopped handing out aspirin for headaches so it's been around for a while.
 
Well done for stopping, too many people think 'someone else will help' and won't get involved.

As for the traffic warden... what did he expect you to do? Not stop and help? Drive round for 5 mins looking for somewhere to park? Doh!
 
there was a story in the paper last year about some guy that was on his motorbike and was involved in some really bad accident and he needed to be taken away on one of those spinal boards. Only to find out from a friend who was asked to retrieve his bike that a parking attendant had stuck a fine to it. The bike was a wreak and clealy had been involved in an accident due to the smashed debris and bits all around, but those greedy bar stewards still see it as a way to make their extra £2.50 cut
 
I think I remember a story a while ago in the press, a traffic warden went to slap a ticket on a black Range Rover that was pulled over on the side of the road. As he approached, 3 rather large men got out of the car and surrounded him.

Turned out it was one of the Royals cars and they we waiting for whoever it was to come out of the shop before whisking them away.

Maybe we should carry a troop of RP officers with us!
 
i would have punched the parking attendant in the face. I'm sure ambulances can carry two these days.
 
Lyton

and I accept that I was breaking the highway code - though also firmly believe that discretion and common sense needs to be applied in some instances
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Therein lays the problem, they are not allowed to use discretion, there is no provision in the rules they work under for it. There never has been, even when it was Police employed Traffic Wardens.

Had he issued you with a ticket, and while I accept it's a pain, simply writing to the council would have put pay to it. Should they have discretion? Different matter and I agree they should, but that simply leads to the complaints of "I got a ticket and he didn't."

As for people not helping? I was called to a bus Airside at Heathrow once, male collapsed. I got there long before the LAS, which wasn't unusal, and yep, the guy had collapsed, was obviously in a bad way, and one person was breathing into him. Personally, I thought he was dead, but no one else on a packed bus showed any interest, just stood or sat examinining their shoes.
Anyway, I helped the guy out who was doing the kiss of life, but he'd been on the deck for about 10 minutes, and he hadn't done any chest compressions, so it was fairly obvious the chap was meeting his maker. At least this one chap tried though!
 
Bernie174 said:
Lyton



Therein lays the problem, they are not allowed to use discretion, there is no provision in the rules they work under for it. There never has been, even when it was Police employed Traffic Wardens.

Had he issued you with a ticket, and while I accept it's a pain, simply writing to the council would have put pay to it. Should they have discretion? Different matter and I agree they should, but that simply leads to the complaints of "I got a ticket and he didn't."

As for people not helping? I was called to a bus Airside at Heathrow once, male collapsed. I got there long before the LAS, which wasn't unusal, and yep, the guy had collapsed, was obviously in a bad way, and one person was breathing into him. Personally, I thought he was dead, but no one else on a packed bus showed any interest, just stood or sat examinining their shoes.
Anyway, I helped the guy out who was doing the kiss of life, but he'd been on the deck for about 10 minutes, and he hadn't done any chest compressions, so it was fairly obvious the chap was meeting his maker. At least this one chap tried though!
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and you know what makes that situation worse? There was probably more than one person looking at their watch thinking "come on, we are going to be late for our flight."
 
Possibly, but it was an arriving flight, but granted a few may have been in danger of missing connecting flights.
Anyway they did get somewhere, off the bus, after I told them if they weren't going to help get off! Although it was a bit more anglo saxon than that.
I would hope after the Vinny Jones no more kissing advert, people would be more inclined to do something now. But the groundless fear of being sued probably deters more.
 
I have just done my refresher first aid course and i asked about the Vinny jones advert and they say only people trained can give Kiss of life, do not know why seemed a bit silly to me if you savce the guys life.
Statistics show though that people who need kiss of life and cpr are very lucky if they survive.
Also got told no matter what happens if you have a first aid cert then you will not be able to be sued for giving help.

Good on you Lynton, there are so many people not willing to do anything these days except gawp.

spike
 
if the victim isnt breathing but the heart is still beating theres a reasonable chance of revival from mouth to mouth

if the heart has stopped then the chances of revival from manual CPR are negligible (holywood and soap operas not withstanding) , 99.9% of the time all the cpr acheives is keeping the blood moving and keeping the brain alive until the paramedics get there with the defibrulator
 
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