Unanswered threads.

[Boynielaad]

I'm aware Edinburgh Gary started a thread years ago for people to post threads where they didn't get any commentary. However, it's always seemed harsh to me that no-one makes any comment at all and some people aren't keen on asking for comments.

I regularly use the new posts button and look for 'unanswered threads' and try my best to make a comment.

Often, despite trying my best, I simply cannot think of anything useful to say but I do try. Sometimes all a thread needs is a friendly bump and the floodgates open.

So. Come on people. Please have a look at that search and try to give some encouragement to people who've posted images seeking some input.

Cheers

Andy

 

[u8myufo]

Have you tried searching to see how many times this subject has been brought up? It comes and goes in reality, not even Smarties have the answer

 

[Pookeyhead]

You want me to take time out to actively look for threads to respond to, even though I have nothing useful to say in them?

If the OP wants the thread bumped why can't they do it themselves?

 

[London Headshots]

No problems, Andy, let me clear my schedule for the day so I can give proper attention to this most serious of issues.

 

[Boynielaad]

You want me to take time out to actively look for threads to respond to, even though I have nothing useful to say in them?

If the OP wants the thread bumped why can't they do it themselves?

I don't expect you to do anything. And, I guess, from the tone of your reply, you won't.

And that's your prerogative.

I'm glad if your photography's at the standard where you need no further help. Not everyone is in the same boat.

 

[Boynielaad]

No problems, Andy, let me clear my schedule for the day so I can give proper attention to this most serious of issues.

Well I guess I'll just STFU and not try to help anyone in future.

This used to be a useful and helpful forum to visit.

These days I just read sarcastic and, often, nasty replies from people.

I may not bother any more.

 

[Pookeyhead]

I don't expect you to do anything. And, I guess, from the tone of your reply, you won't.

And that's your choice.

I'm glad if your photography's at the standard where you need no further help. Not everyone is in the same boat.

What? What has the standard of my photography got to do with anything? I give tons of crit and feedback, but I can't be everywhere. You're urging people to search out threads with no reply to bump them. Why the hell should we?


For your information, NO ONE has surpassed the need to receive crit. Anyone who thinks they have has their head up their own ass.

 

[gramps]

Well I guess I'll just STFU and not try to help anyone in future.

This used to be a useful and helpful forum to visit.

These days I just read sarcastic and, often, nasty replies from people.

I may not bother any more.

Sadly there is a deal of truth in what you say, TP is promoted as 'the friendliest photography forum on the net' but it isn't - even one of the Mods posted a few days ago that sadly 'the wrong people are leaving the forum' ... what does that tell you?

Nobody is obligated to support/help/comment or anything else on here, it replicates life, but often comments reflect a ruder, more selfish way ... a community supports one another and therein lies the difference.

 

[Pookeyhead]

Well I guess I'll just STFU and not try to help anyone in future.

That's a little childish. No one's suggesting you don't try to help anyone, but imploring people to comment in threads even if they have "nothing useful to say" is not really helping anyone... it will just clutter up crit threads with inane comments. There's enough f that already. People post images for crit which have real problems, and get "love it"... "I like that" posts... that useful for them?

 

[MWHCVT]

Sadly not as many people come here for the photo forums as come for the talk sections and the classifieds sections, and more and more people are put off from posting in the photo sections for either the quality of feedback that is recieved or more often the rection they recieve when they take to time to fully critique photo's...which a real shame as it was the only reason I cam here when I first joined

 

[graphilly]

I don't expect you to do anything. And, I guess, from the tone of your reply, you won't.

And that's your prerogative.

I'm glad if your photography's at the standard where you need no further help. Not everyone is in the same boat.

I wouldn't worry about it. As can be seen from the thread already there is going to be an element of members that aren't going to bother with your suggestion.

There will be some who do though I'm sure.

There's a fair few people on here that just seem to give out a belittling, 'I know it all', negative attitude that negates a lot of their positive comments.

There's an element of that in a lot of forums.

 

[modchild]

While I take most of my time in the talk sections I do look at the Transport, Wildlife, Macro and occasionally the Bird sections as they are the most interesting to me. Whilst I'm not great at giving crit if I do like a shot I'll say so and why and also if I don't like a particular shot but that's all MY opinion and not everyones.

I do try to help as much as possible in the Talk sections if I can, specially the threads with little or no responses, but I wont if I know I can't help. I've had numerous PM's as follow up to my comments and always try to answer those to the best of my ability.

When I first started on here I didn't know a great deal but I have learned a lot from the answers I've received on here and I always try to give other people the same advice I've received. Although some of it hasn't been good, as has some of the crit I've received on the photos I've posted, I try to learn from mistakes and improve myself and if I can help others to do so I gladly will.

 

[Boynielaad]

That's a little childish. No one's suggesting you don't try to help anyone, but imploring people to comment in threads even if they have "nothing useful to say" is not really helping anyone... it will just clutter up crit threads with inane comments. There's enough f that already. People post images for crit which have real problems, and get "love it"... "I like that" posts... that useful for them?

I wasn't asking for that I was asking people to look for unanswered posts.

There was no desire from me for inane comments - either on unanswered posts or on this thread.

If people don't have time, fine. Rather than post a sarcastic or negative response to my (well-intentioned) suggestion perhaps no reply at all would have saved them even more time.

 

[London Headshots]

Well I guess I'll just STFU and not try to help anyone in future.

This used to be a useful and helpful forum to visit.

These days I just read sarcastic and, often, nasty replies from people.

I may not bother any more.

You take the internet too seriously.

You should probably stop trying to impose your rules on everybody. I don't speak for anyone but myself, but I'll contribute to a thread if I feel like it, not because there's some unbreakable rule that if someone creates a thread, it should be populated with content.

Not all threads are worth replying to, and empty threads probably shouldn't be raising your blood pressure the way they seem to.

 

[London Headshots]

I wasn't asking for that I was asking people to look for unanswered posts.

There was no desire from me for inane comments - either on unanswered posts or on this thread.

If people don't have time, fine. Rather than post a sarcastic or negative response to my (well-intentioned) suggestion perhaps no reply at all would have saved them even more time.

Why should people actively look for unanswered threads? You're essentially asking for people to treat this forum like they have a job here. I come here to relax, not to perform duties.

 

[Marcel]

It's called being part of a community and actively looking to help each other out. There's no need to jump down his throat for him asking others to do it.

If you can spend time arguing on this thread, you can spend time helping someone.
I wish there were more people around on this forum with Andy's attitude. It's the whole ethos that this forum was built on.

 

[Mr Bump]

Well I guess I'll just STFU and not try to help anyone in future.

This used to be a useful and helpful forum to visit.

These days I just read sarcastic and, often, nasty replies from people.

I may not bother any more.

yep only been here a short while myself and getting that thought as well.

 

[London Headshots]

Edit: Nevermind, I only ever end up suspended when I engage in this kind of debate.

 

[MWHCVT]

I argue and help people, though. Ironically, the last argument I got it was as a result of offering to help someone.

I'm sorry, but I don't agree with you. No forum is based on "Hey, is a thread if empty, reply to it regardless of whether you have anything to contribute or not". That's the very definition of spam. I don't want you to think I'm arguing here. You replied to me, so I'm simply replying back. I'm happy to never reply in this thread again if you don't want me to.

There are a lot of extremely sensitive people who post here, and like we've seen here, if they aren't treated with kid gloves, they become agitated and belligerent. But apparently that's the kind of thing you want more of. Sometimes this place has no sense of humour, or the wrong people don't have the right sense of humour. It's like walking a tightrope.

Talk about about possibly the most ironic post I've read on TP in ages, for a start talk about a deliberate misinterpretation of what Marcel wrote down, no one has asked you to comment on treads for the sake of it but is it that hard to take a look at threads that have received nil feedback and offer a little bit, if it genuinely is that you don't think the photo is any good then tell them why and what you'd have done differently it's really not rocket science now it.

 

[simo]

It's called being part of a community and actively looking to help each other out. There's no need to jump down his throat for him asking others to do it.

If you can spend time arguing on this thread, you can spend time helping someone.
I wish there were more people around on this forum with Andy's attitude. It's the whole ethos that this forum was built on.

I,m new here and feel sad that people would rather leave. On the other hand if I was upset over what someone thought about my contributions after a couple of days I hope I would get over it and move on accepting that this is the way of life in general, would you not have the same flow of conversation at a club or with other photographers?
This site is the best in the world as far as I can find and I guess we will all come and go at some point. Anyway I hope to follow my own self imposed rule of sharing at least 2 or 3 comments every night or two on threads,it takes 2 minutes tops?, they don't need to be long winded or in depth.
To be fair I have no expert knowledge like lots of you do but new and excited posters can do with some encouragement/advice no matter how small, this is a hobby for most people and we look up to those of you skilled enough to do it professionally. Please share what advice you can we all have hard enough lives without upsetting each other or overreacting to honest opinions that are well meant.

 

[London Headshots]

Talk about about possibly the most ironic post I've read on TP in ages, for a start talk about a deliberate misinterpretation of what Marcel wrote down, no one has asked you to comment on treads for the sake of it but is it that hard to take a look at threads that have received nil feedback and offer a little bit, if it genuinely is that you don't think the photo is any good then tell them why and what you'd have done differently it's really not rocket science now it.

Thanks for letting me know how to leave feedback. I'll do it more in future now that I know what I'm doing. Have a good friday

 

[Gr8Shot]

It's called being part of a community and actively looking to help each other out. There's no need to jump down his throat for him asking others to do it.

If you can spend time arguing on this thread, you can spend time helping someone.
I wish there were more people around on this forum with Andy's attitude. It's the whole ethos that this forum was built on.

Talk about about possibly the most ironic post I've read on TP in ages, for a start talk about a deliberate misinterpretation of what Marcel wrote down, no one has asked you to comment on treads for the sake of it but is it that hard to take a look at threads that have received nil feedback and offer a little bit, if it genuinely is that you don't think the photo is any good then tell them why and what you'd have done differently it's really not rocket science now it.

on both replies. Its amazing how many users time is too precious and sensitive to waste on keen amateurs,.
But have an inordinate amount of time to talk s**** about how do you know if your a pro, or how dare you photograph a landscape that is so last year blah blah blah.
Seems to me some are just trying to keep others down. If you haven't got a £2000 lens its gonna be a crap photo for some.
Glad not everyone is the same.......

 

[Mr Bump]

on both replies. Its amazing how many users time is too precious and sensitive to waste on keen amateurs,.
But have an inordinate amount of time to talk s**** about how do you know if your a pro, or how dare you photograph a landscape that is so last year blah blah blah.
Seems to me some are just trying to keep others down. If you haven't got a £2000 lens its gonna be a crap photo for some.
Glad not everyone is the same.......

so completely 1+++

 

[simo]

A lot of us who do this as a hobby do just want honest "feedback" nothing else............from someone with knowledge and experience whose opinion we can value. I work in schools....feeling "safe" to make mistakes is important when learning and I would hope this is a place where I can feel safe to make an idiot of myself or perhaps some days do something right? You experienced guys and girls are teachers of the future for many of us.

 

[Gr8Shot]

In a lot of other forums, in the thread list view, you can see how many views you've had besides comments.
I suspect that was removed as it would show loads look but its too much effort to comment.

I can however understand commenting can be difficult if you are not aware of the skill level and experience. Maybe ain your profile we could add that to be shown under user name.

Something like
Published pro
Wedding tog
Part time pro
Experienced keen amateur
just starting out
Haven't a clue.

 

[ZoneV]

...I can however understand commenting can be difficult if you are not aware of the skill level and experience. Maybe ain your profile we could add that to be shown under user name.

Something like
Published pro
Wedding tog
Part time pro
Experienced keen amateur
just starting out
Haven't a clue.

This is a good idea. It would help those offering advice to pitch their response appropriately, and it would give those seeking advice an idea of the experience of those offering it (sometimes I'm weary of commenting on crit threads because I don't feel qualified to do so but I'd be more inclined to if the recipient was aware of my relatively low-level of experience without me having to add it as a caveat each time).

 

[simo]

This is a good idea. It would help those offering advice to pitch their response appropriately, and it would give those seeking advice an idea of the experience of those offering it (sometimes I'm weary of commenting on crit threads because I don't feel qualified to do so but I'd be more inclined to if the recipient was aware of my relatively low-level of experience without me having to add it as a caveat each time).

But most of the time all that is needed is Like because/Not like because......as a minimum.

You can tell by the no of posts what the Op might be needing in the way of feedback or go into more detail if they pose a question. Hell I crap myself just posting an image and many I guess wont even get that far.

 

[gramps]

Nobody should worry about posting pics up here - in the main, the only ones who are offensive are those who rarely if ever post their own up for inspection.

 

[MWHCVT]

In a lot of other forums, in the thread list view, you can see how many views you've had besides comments.
I suspect that was removed as it would show loads look but its too much effort to comment.

I can however understand commenting can be difficult if you are not aware of the skill level and experience. Maybe ain your profile we could add that to be shown under user name.

Something like
Published pro
Wedding tog
Part time pro
Experienced keen amateur
just starting out
Haven't a clue.

This thing is for me, as a part of the processes of critique you shouldn't really be concerned about a) am I qualified to give critique and conversely b) is that personal qualified to give me critique...that shouldn't be coming into IMO, we all I think do have people who's critique you maybe look forward to receiving as it's hard not to know who's work you admire in your chosen field

 

[simo]

Nobody should worry about posting pics up here - in the main, the only ones who are offensive are those who rarely if ever post their own up for inspection.

Yes would be nice to see some images showing best practice..........explained and demonstrated.

I do know we have a general photo feedback thread perhaps I should pay more attention there and learn from that as I have not really looked since joining. Regards.

 

[Gr8Shot]

This thing is for me, as a part of the processes of critique you shouldn't really be concerned about a) am I qualified to give critique and conversely b) is that personal qualified to give me critique...that shouldn't be coming into IMO, we all I think do have people who's critique you maybe look forward to receiving as it's hard not to know who's work you admire in your chosen field

I never meant it that way, I meant if someone is down as absolute beginner then there's gonna be obvious problems to guide them through the basics, without tearing their shot to bits *** its garbage.
At the same time if someone is claiming to be a studio pro, they may be open to more stringent critisism if the shot is poor.
The level of experience next to the name, can be a choice, so its up to the member to choose their level and even if they want it shown.
That way they can receive the correct amount of helpful advise. If they pitch themselves wrong or fail to put it in their profile and post up photos then they can expect criticism possibly a little too harsh at times.

 

[JohnN]

I think that sounds like a good idea.

I also think what the op says is right about that reply sparking more helpful replies and no-one wants to bump their own thread.

All that said I'm just as guilty as then next person for walking on by.

 

[Pookeyhead]

I never meant it that way, I meant if someone is down as absolute beginner then there's gonna be obvious problems to guide them through the basics, without tearing their shot to bits *** its garbage.

In all honesty, I've never seen anyone tear anyone's shot to bits and say it's garbage. Aren't you exaggerating a little?

 

[Gr8Shot]

In all honesty, I've never seen anyone tear anyone's shot to bits and say it's garbage. Aren't you exaggerating a little?

I was trying to capture all negative responses. but yes i have seen some people be a little harsh to others on here.
The classic is when asking for tips on Wedding photography and some members jump down their throats.
Some members twine that they dont want to leave negative feedback for fear of reprisal.
The ranking allows you to tear shreds off someone if they say they ar a pro wedding photographer and they post something like this:

but if someone was just at a friends wedding and posted this you could gently point out the obvious error.

 

[ernesto]

Why would you need to tear shreds off them just because they are a pro? The error above is the same whoever made it and it just needs to be pointed out as an issue in the photo doesn't it?

 

[Gr8Shot]

Why would you need to tear shreds off them just because they are a pro? The error above is the same whoever made it and it just needs to be pointed out as an issue in the photo doesn't it?

Again i'm a northerner and i'm a lazy typer so i'm trying to capture all responses from "ohh thats bad" to "and you charge for that peice of rubbish" etc etc
let me put it this way, if that was my wedding and someone i paid; produced that image and was proud of it....
I would tear shreds off them.
If a friend did it for free i'd edit it and be happy with it.

Do you get me????

 

[MWHCVT]

I was trying to capture all negative responses. but yes i have seen some people be a little harsh to others on here.
The classic is when asking for tips on Wedding photography and some members jump down their throats.
Some members twine that they dont want to leave negative feedback for fear of reprisal.
The ranking allows you to tear shreds off someone if they say they ar a pro wedding photographer and they post something like this:

but if someone was just at a friends wedding and posted this you could gently point out the obvious error.

Sorry but your really not getting the ethos of TP it's never about tearing something to pieces, now that photo is if I remember a local wedding to me that made national press due to the failings of said photography actually if I remember at the time most the photos would have easily been corrected with good editing but that's besides the point....that point being TP should be about constructive critique that being if something truly is awful by all means say that but make sure you say why and what you'd do differently while at no point being rude/nasty/condescending

 

[Deleted member 34016]

Nobody should worry about posting pics up here - in the main, the only ones who are offensive are those who rarely if ever post their own up for inspection.

well said- its an internet forum for gooness sake :shrug:

I personally try to comment on most threads -that are of interest to ME - I tend to leave alone the threads to which I have no technical knowledge to impart, we cannot be an expert in every discipline now, can we?

I think people should (if so inspired) answer threads - critique images and offer advice as and when, however: Not all of us have the time to engage

So all in all a good idea from Andy, in reallity not an easy thing to acheive

Les

 

[ernesto]

Again i'm a northerner and i'm a lazy typer so i'm trying to capture all responses from "ohh thats bad" to "and you charge for that peice of rubbish" etc etc
let me put it this way, if that was my wedding and someone i paid; produced that image and was proud of it....
I would tear shreds off them.
If a friend did it for free i'd edit it and be happy with it.

Do you get me????

I am really not sure what being a northerner has to do with it, are you using that as an excuse for something?

And no, I don't get you. This discussion is about the picture being presented for critique on this forum, not presented to a customer or presented to you.

 

[Gr8Shot]

I am really not sure what being a northerner has to do with it, are you using that as an excuse for something?

And no, I don't get you. This discussion is about the picture being presented for critique on this forum, not presented to a customer or presented to you.

I am trying to put it into perspective. if you bothered to read all the thread you would get that.
I am trying to give an example of how some members of differing abilites and experience need diferrent levels of critique.
You cant expect world class shots from someone who has just bought a camera so you would aim your pointers an appropriate level.
At the same time, if somone professing to be world class produces something that is poor then it maybe open to more detailed critiscm.

this all goes back to what i posted earlier in creating a extra profile option to indicate what you beleive your own experience is. thus when other members aim to offer advice they have an idea of the experience of the member which in turn can focus the level of advice needed.

The subsequent posts were to try to give examples of this, maybe poorly but that was the intention