umbrella/stand set up

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Hi all,

Was gonna hijack th other umbrella thread but didn't want to.

I want to have a go at lighting with shoot through / reflective brollies to give me more flexibility in the way I use light. I have a pair of speedlights and will be buying either 1 or two of everything depending on if I want to spread the cost.

The problem is I have no idea what kit i need to do this, I know I need a stand a brolly and an adapter but which is a bit of a mystery.

I borrowed this link from t'other post http://www.fotosense.co.uk/manfrotto-026-lite-tite-swivel-and-umbrella-adapter.html
 
Thought I ought to add that the best way to mount my triggers to stuff is the tripod thread as while they have coldshoe fitment bits they have no clamping mechanism and tend to fall out.

Good places to source stuff would be nice as I don't want to spend the earth and like the look of the nano stand http://www.fotosense.co.uk/manfrotto-5001b-nano-stand-black.html but don't want to pay for it
 
Ok David. This is my setup if it helps...

1) SB600 on its stand AS-19 that comes with the flash (it has a 1/4" threaded socket on the underside).
2) Manfrotto 026 with its 1/4" male threaded spigot fitted
3) Cheap and chearful Konig KN-LS10 light stand (comes with a standard spigot on top) Note that this stand is only about £10 and only for light use, not day in day out studio use, but does the job for me.

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1) SB600 on a CTR-301 radio trigger (it has a 1/4" threaded socket on the underside).
2) Manfrotto 026 with its 1/4" male threaded spigot fitted
3) Cheap and chearful Konig KN-LS10 light stand

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that stand sounds basicaly spot on, the head is 16 quid atm so not a bad price, unfortunately all their stands are deer as i didn't want to double up on postage but I shall google away :D
 
V8burble said:
Ok David. This is my setup if it helps...

1) SB600 on its stand AS-19 that comes with the flash (it has a 1/4" threaded socket on the underside).
2) Manfrotto 026 with its 1/4" male threaded spigot fitted
3) Cheap and chearful Konig KN-LS10 light stand (comes with a standard spigot on top) Note that this stand is only about £10 and only for light use, not day in day out studio use, but does the job for me.


2) Manfrotto 026 with its 1/4" male threaded spigot fitted
3) Cheap and chearful Konig KN-LS10 light stand
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There he goes with that 026 again :suspect: :lol:

That cheapie Konig stand is actually pretty decent for the money too :thumbs:

It's the one on the left in this pic, the other one is four times the price...

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Yes, sorry FlashInThePan :p
But after the cheap plastic thing I wasted £8 on before it, I can't believe how much better it is :bonk:
 
The light stand is cheaper at 7dayshop, but waiting for stock at the moment.
Please don't buy that plastic £8 flash bracket... it's ****.:bonk:
 
Cheap stuff is pretty much always a false economy, although I reckon the Konig stands, being meant for studio lights, should be able to cope with an SB-600 without too much problem...
 
I have the konig stand and the SB-600 and it does indeed hold it no probs.
 
I use the Konig stand with the monfrotto adaptor to hold my canon 550EX and brolly.


The stand is pretty good for the money and the adaptor is a great piece of kit for £20.

So the recommendations amde here have been spot on.
 
mine use the foot that came with the flashgun then screws into a small ball head to the stand
sigma flashgun with the stand, screws in to small ballhead
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sigma flashgun with the stand, screws in to small ballhead umbrella goes thro bit of cycle inertube
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Is the Konig about 6 feet tall? I have been using my spare tripod at present but want to get it over and above people heads
 
Thanks again V8, very helpful message yesterday. Appreciate it....that is another £11 gone!
 
Bigger is better!

If you require a tighter effect from your large umbrella then you can zoom or snoot the flash so it only hits a smaller region of the umbrella. If you have a smaller umbrella there is no way to increase the size of the light source.
 
Yeah but I'm worried about losing power from an overlarge brolly or is this just not a problem at this sort of size?
 
Yes, as I said previously, it depends what you want from it. Bigger isn't necessarily better... it simply results in a larger light source which will therefore wrap around the subject more and produce less shadows (assuming the light is kept close enough to the subject). If that is what you are wanting then yes it's better. :thumbs:
However, many people get into the thought that, especially in portrait work that it requires only soft wrap around lighting, which really isn't the case. Some of the most striking portraits can be achieved with one light and very much directional. Also you have to consider the environment you are using it/them in. My suggestion would be, don't spend a fortune on the umbrellas, buy the colours and size(s) you believe to be most use for you. Get a couple of good flash technique books and have a good old play.

Following on from FlashInThePan's comment about Zack... if you have not been on his site yet, then you should. His late night ramblings can be quite interesting also :)
 
V8burble said:
Yes, as I said previously, it depends what you want from it. Bigger isn't necessarily better... it simply results in a larger light source which will therefore wrap around the subject more and produce less shadows (assuming the light is kept close enough to the subject). If that is what you are wanting then yes it's better. :thumbs:
However, many people get into the thought that, especially in portrait work that it requires only soft wrap around lighting, which really isn't the case. Some of the most striking portraits can be achieved with one light and very much directional. Also you have to consider the environment you are using it/them in. My suggestion would be, don't spend a fortune on the umbrellas, buy the colours and size(s) you believe to be most use for you. Get a couple of good flash technique books and have a good old play.

Following on from FlashInThePan's comment about Zack... if you have not been on his site yet, then you should. His late night ramblings can be quite interesting also :)
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Do you have any books that you would recommend, there are loads of them out of there, undoubtedly there are also a lot of rubbish ones
 
Joe McNally's books are worth getting, they aren't technique books, but they are very informative. Kirk Tuck's book Minimalist Lighting is also very good and it does go into the nuts and bolts of lighting set-ups for (commercial/location) portrait work.
 
I use the Konig stands with SB-26's and they are all you'll ever need for messing around indoors.

I use the camulet umbrella adapter with a couple of crap plasic mounts from 7dayshop that are horrible.
 
Check ebay ! they sell it all ,light stands 2x for £30 umbrella holders £7-8, umbrella diffusers £10 for 32" remote flash triggers 2x for £28 .I completely kitted myself out via ebay for less than £100 :p Ps i also bought jessops brand flash units varying from £30 to the power adjustable £99 .
 
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