UFO Documentary Tonight

[JohnC6]

On Channel 5 at 8.30pm tonight there's a documentary called 'UFOs The Proof is Out There' .A misleading title considering what the vast majority of people understand to be UFOs. ie. alien spacecraft ,when infact, as pointed out in the two threads on here that I'm aware of they are just that....unidentified flying objects. Infact, some are stationary and most likely Venus or some light phenomenon sometimes involving high-level clouds or secret military innovations .I'm guessing a lot of Airforce footage will be shown and I'm also certain that at the end of the programme we'll be non-the-wiser but they're always fascinating to watch because extraordinary sightings are made by professionals, some in the military and ,if you'll excuse the expression, considering the subject,...down to earth people'

It's about the investigations and the findings that the US authorities..according to the listings write-up..a secret US government dept, have carried out re UFO sightings. They call them UAPs..Unidentified Ariel Phenomena which sounds to me to be more realistic.

 

[Nod]

Alcohol is the gateway drug to paracetamol...

 

[Nod]

 

[Cockney]

No doubt they will also roll out the usual American fruit loops who have had 20 sightings and been abducted a dozen times.

 

[Nod]

Alcohol is the gateway drug to paracetamol...

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Oops! Sorry, John - wrong thread!!!

 

[simon ess]

Oops! Sorry, John - wrong thread!!!

And yet, both somehow apt.

 

[Nod]

The alcohol one more than the unidentified wrapped object!

 

[AndrewFlannigan]

I'm guessing a lot of Airforce footage will be shown and I'm also certain that at the end of the programme we'll be non-the-wiser

A RAF pilot I knew had an interesting story, which he claimed to have got from an American pilot during one of the exchange programmes of the 1960s. According to this, the whole UFO business was misinformation to hide the USAF's early experiments with transonic aircraft.

The claim is that the Roswell incident was about an early accident with an X-Plane which suffered a bad case of the unfortunates and crashed near Roswell. As soon as the base commander realised that civilians had seen some of the debris (or so goes the tale) he told his security and press officers to concoct a story to cover the incident. It seems that the balloon story was the only thing that they could come up with in a hurry, by which time the witnesses had already told all and their descriptions certainly didn't tally with a balloon. At this point, it seems, someone in security came up with the idea of expanding on the Foo Fighter stories to misdirect any watching "agents of a foreign power".

So, if true, the whole UFO thing was pushed along by the US security services who, having kicked the thing off, created a cottage industry dedicated to generating as many daft tales as possible, in order to devalue actual sightings of USAF experimental aircraft.

 

[JohnC6]

A RAF pilot I knew had an interesting story, which he claimed to have got from an American pilot during one of the exchange programmes of the 1960s. According to this, the whole UFO business was misinformation to hide the USAF's early experiments with transonic aircraft.

The claim is that the Roswell incident was about an early accident with an X-Plane which suffered a bad case of the unfortunates and crashed near Roswell. As soon as the base commander realised that civilians had seen some of the debris (or so goes the tale) he told his security and press officers to concoct a story to cover the incident. It seems that the balloon story was the only thing that they could come up with in a hurry, by which time the witnesses had already told all and their descriptions certainly didn't tally with a balloon. At this point, it seems, someone in security came up with the idea of expanding on the Foo Fighter stories to misdirect any watching "agents of a foreign power".

So, if true, the whole UFO thing was pushed along by the US security services who, having kicked the thing off, created a cottage industry dedicated to generating as many daft tales as possible, in order to devalue actual sightings of USAF experimental aircraft.

I can believe it. Infact, it was mentioned in the documentary...misinformation.

If you didn't watch it ,right at the end, the narrater said that of the 144 incidents declared the US Intelligence /Defense people they could only account for one. The only thing that leaves me scratching my head is the speed of some of these 'craft. Tens of thousands of mph. The radar operator on the Nimitz said two men came aboard and took the radar readings/images away. I assume that would include the images taken by the two jets sent up to check out the object. No explanation was given. As I said in my original post, at the end of the documentary we'd be left no nearer to knowing what these sightings actually were than at the start of it.

By the way. We were in discussion in another thread..,I responded to your post but I can't find it so if you came back to me again without a quote/ alert that's why you haven't had a further response. It's like reading a newspaper to the end and you want to go back to an article but can never find it

 

[AndrewFlannigan]

No doubt they will also roll out the usual American fruit loops who have had 20 sightings and been abducted a dozen times.

I believe that most specialists now think this is a form of sleep paralysis ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis )

 

[LongLensPhotography]

I can make a lot of things fly... a short distance. That includes saucers, drones, etc.

 

[MartynK]

I was a police officer in Livingston (West Lothian, Scotland) when the 'Robert Taylor' incident happened in 1979. Mr Taylor was a forestry worker with the local authority, and came home in a dishevelled state with some minor injuries. He claimed that he'd encountered a UFO hovering in the woods, there was a smell of burning, and that smaller objects tried to drag him on board. He collapsed and passed out at this point, and couldn't remember any more.

I wasn't involved in the investigation but I remember that there was a bit of a fuss about it, and I seem to remember that the army got involved at some point but I'm not sure about that. It was a long time ago. I don't think the subsequent investigations ever reached a definitive conclusion, but there was some talk of epilepsy and other medical conditions.

 

[arclight]

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I read that book almost 7 years ago - utterly fascinating.

A reviewer had this to say about it:-

"At times you'll be reading in disbelief, the innovation and ingenuity of the Skunk Works is beyond comprehension. To think that this technology was around many moons ago, veiled in secrecy, makes you wonder what soars above our very heads in the present day."

I am still wondering !

 

[Nod]

Let's not forget that the Vulcan first flew on 30/08/'52, less than 12 years after the Lancaster's 09/01/'41 debut on the wing - things in aviation develop pretty rapidly!

 

[Jelster]

Let's not forget that the Vulcan first flew on 30/08/'52, less than 12 years after the Lancaster's 09/01/'41 debut on the wing - things in aviation develop pretty rapidly!

That's an astonishing fact... The V bombers were very advanced in their day, but when you look inside, all the switchgear etc does look very dated...

 

[woof woof]

I watched.

I don't think it can be really be denied anymore that there are real engineered things flying about and indeed under the water too, the only questions being who are they and what are they up to?

I think as stated in the TV prog some of these things are going to be undisclosed tech and maybe they all are and if so the question of what they're up to becomes more relevant from a legal, responsibility and even moral POV. Also, if these UFO's are earthly secret tech I wonder if this tech could be useful to the rest of us? Cheaper cleaner energy? Cleaner transport / flight? Who knows what goodies could be hidden there? So when do we get some of this? As we go further back in time the likelihood of UFO/USO's being human tech becomes less likely and if some are real engineered things under intelligent control rather than invention or natural phenomena we're back to the possibility that if UFO's being human tech isn't likely they're in some cases possibly someone else from somewhere else.

I have three UFO related stories.

I saw something in the sky many years ago, I was in a group and all of us all saw it. I'll never know what it was but it sparked an interest in me but I don't make the leap from "ey up what's that?" to believing it's aliens. Years ago when I worked in computers and regularly worked on MoD contracts someone told me they'd seen a black triangle being escorted by Harriers over the north sea. So, if that's true I suppose it's most likely that what they saw was earthly tech unless the RAF had arrested some aliens and I think that's unlikely. And lastly, my ex GF had a relative working at some MoD radar installation who said that they often tracked UFO's and when they did someone came along and removed the tapes. I do think there's something to this but who's behind this and what they're up to may never be completely admitted.

 

[woof woof]

I believe that most specialists now think this is a form of sleep paralysis ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis )

When I was little I had night terrors and I remember some of them to this day. What I experienced seemed real to me at the time, I was awake and aware of my surroundings and I could move and talk to people and interact but I also experienced things that were not real. I was in an altered state of consciousness. I've read about nightmares (which often seem to incorporate sleep paralysis) and would recommend "The terror that comes in the night" by David J Hufford but IMO one thing that hasn't been investigated enough is that some places seem to be linked to nightmares and some people with no history of nightmares have experienced them in places where others have experienced them. This could mean that there is some environmental or other cause.

For these reasons we should always be careful about believing witness statements completely and even possibly group witnesses as if one human could be affected by the environment or some external factor in some way so as to initiate a UFO experience then maybe others could at the same time and location too but this explanation becomes much less credible when technology seems to confirm visual sightings.

Sleep paralysis and other in your head and body things could perhaps explain some alien abduction cases and sightings but clearly not all and all it takes is for one UFO to be a real alien thing or even secret human earth tech and we have a whole new set of interesting questions to ask and things to learn.

PS.
I think we're at the point now when even a sceptic should begin to accept that there probably is sometimes something real and advanced beyond current widely known tech in the skies and under the water which is real and under intelligent control. They don't have to be aliens, that's just one possibility. I don't think we should be frightened to believe that at least some of these things are real things under intelligent control.

 

[AndrewFlannigan]

I think we're at the point now when even a sceptic should begin to accept that there probably is sometimes something real and advanced beyond current widely known tech in the skies

In every case, where there is a simple explanation and a more complicated competing explanation, I find it best to adopt the simpler explanation, until it is disproven.

 

[simon ess]

So, if true, the whole UFO thing was pushed along by the US security services who, having kicked the thing off, created a cottage industry dedicated to generating as many daft tales as possible, in order to devalue actual sightings of USAF experimental aircraft.

I have long believed this to be the case.

From the first flight to mach 3.2 at 85,000 ft in 63 years. That's astonishing. How much testing must there have been?

I recently saw an interview with Elon Musk in which he was asked if he knew anything about the "Tictac" UFO sightings.

Imagine a 3 year old toddler with chocolate around their mouth.

"Have you been eating chocolate"?

"No".

That's exactly the tone of voice Musk used when he said, "no".

 

[woof woof]

In every case, where there is a simple explanation and a more complicated competing explanation, I find it best to adopt the simpler explanation, until it is disproven.

Even if the simple explanation is so improbable or even so ridiculous that advanced human tech or even aliens is very probably more likely?

That's the problem with some simple explanations, they're very possibly ridiculous.

There was a famous "UFO" case involving sightings from aircraft out over the sea off Australia which was easily explained by the moon reflecting off cabbages in a field. That and other mind bogglers do stretch the simple explanation being the most likely a just a bit. People can deny all they want but as per the TV prog I think we're at the point now when technology such as radar, IR and even camera footage make pelicans and cabbages and sleep paralysis unlikely explanations to all but the deluded. Just as some who report aliens are mistaken or deluded.

 

[AndrewFlannigan]

Even if the simple explanation is so improbable or even so ridiculous that advanced human tech or even aliens is very probably more likely?

I think I'll go back to ignoring you for a while. Reading your rants is just too irritating. :banghead:

 

[woof woof]

I think I'll go back to ignoring you for a while. Reading your rants is just too irritating. :banghead:

I'll be very happy to not interact with you as you are very often not someone I'd willingly spend any time with.

It's not helpful to care either way. What you should do is follow the evidence not simply believe in aliens or equally you shouldn't believe any ridiculous argument put forward as a reasonable explanation.

Hopefully the time you used to spend irritating me can now be spent looking for shutter shock with your Panasonic kit.

Win Win

 

[Jelster]

Although having never witnessed anything myself, to just suggest that there is definitely no other intelligent life in our galaxy (or even beyond) really is quite simply, arrogant. Of all the stars in the milky way, ours cannot be the only one capable of supporting intelligent life.

What I do wonder though, is if these aliens do exist, how long did it take them to discover the tech to allow them to travel such distances?

 

[woof woof]

One thing I think about is knowing what humans are capable of I hope we can behave well if we do get out amongst the stars and meet others.

 

[simon ess]

how long did it take them to discover the tech to allow them to travel such distances?

If I may offer an alternative way of thinking of it...

It took early humans 50,000 years to get from East Africa to Australia. Travellers from other star systems don't need tech that more advanced than ours. They just need to have left their home planet a long time ago.

 

[Jelster]

If I may offer an alternative way of thinking of it...

It took early humans 50,000 years to get from East Africa to Australia. Travellers from other star systems don't need tech that more advanced than ours. They just need to have left their home planet a long time ago.

What, like 2,000 years in space to get here? If aliens have visited earth, then they would have probably been traveling above the speed of light. Not sure Elon Musk has got that sorted just yet...

 

[JohnC6]

Thinking back on that programme one contributor said that some craft came over a nuclear missile complex he was working at and shone a red beam or beams down and across the bunkers that housed them which neutralised them all. If the commander there wanted to fire them he'd have been unable to. So..that seems to me to be something that the US would want to develop so it could knock out an aggressor's missile system but they couldn't test it on North Korea for instance so they tested it on their own facilities .

Much of this was covered in the programme but still an interesting read re sightings over nuclear facilities

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I've just found an article on it and was unaware the phenomena has been reported from Russia and the UK. too.

2010...https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ex-air-force-personnel-ufos-deactivated-nukes/

From the article:

Star & Stripes quoted former Air Force Capt. Robert Salas, who was at Malmstrom Air Force Base in Montana in 1967 when 10 ICMs he was overseeing suddenly became inoperative - at the same time base security informed him of a mysterious red glowing object in the sky.

Robert Jamison, a retired USAF nuclear missile targeting officer, told of several occasions having to go out and "re-start" missiles that had been deactivated, after UFOs were sighted nearby.

I wonder what people thought they were looking at when the US B2 bomber or the Lockheed F-117 (Nighthawk) was being tested ?

We know the distances that would have to be travelled to get here from various galaxies .The nearest star to us is Proxima Centauri and it takes light travelling at 186,000 miles per second 4 years 4 months to reach us. That kind of puts things in perspective so you have to wonder after such a long journey , assuming there's super-intelligent life on one of its two planets, why they don't land. They're always seen zipping across the skies and at night,too and 'all lit up'. Another aspect is that surely any life form couldn't make such a long journey. The laws of nature have everything die and decay in a relatively very short time...a blink of the eye in 'time' Aliens getting out of these craft ? What about our gravity/atmosphere which we've evolved to live within. The sightings and aliens getting out of craft pose more questions than possible answers. So..no aliens in the craft. One theory is that AI controls them. When TV documentaries on astronomy show a picture of Earth within the galaxy..usually a near shot then further and further away until we become like a grain of sand it doesn't lend itself to the prospect of being discovered by an intelligent form of life many light years away. So, I'll turn in for the night confident that I won't be getting up in the morning to see on the news or hear on Radio4 that Earth has been visited by extraterrestrials .

 

[simon ess]

What, like 2,000 years in space to get here? If aliens have visited earth, then they would have probably been traveling above the speed of light. Not sure Elon Musk has got that sorted just yet...

Without getting too deep into it, the idea is planet hopping at around 20% of the speed of light.

 

[AndrewFlannigan]

So, I'll turn in for the night confident that I won't be getting up in the morning to see on the news or hear on Radio4 that Earth has been visited by extraterrestrials .

A fiction book I read so long ago that I can recall neither the title nor the author, contained an interesting speculation on interstellar communication.

It suggested that civilisations would never meet face to face, because in general the physical travel time would be thousands of years. Instead, a form of what we now call the internet would be supported by Tachyons, which, if they exist, cannot travel as slowly as light,

So just think on this: there could be a conversation currently raging on the imaging forum discussing the advantages and disadvantages of using the new 64,000 Terabyte holograms instead of the old fashioned 32,000 standard!

 

[JohnC6]

Without getting too deep into it, the idea is planet hopping at around 20% of the speed of light.

I can't begin to imagine how that would work. Have to say that once ideas are put put forward, as I posted above, it results in more questions. As you've answered it in the context of Jelster's post which relates to aliens and not microbes/bacteria, when you say planet-hopping do you mean they stop-off on various planets ? Travelling at 20% the speed of light ? That's still 37,200 mps. Just taking our solar system the furthest 'planet' away from us is Pluto and that's 4.67 billion miles from us. As you're probably aware it's now classed as a dwarf planet so that leaves Jupiter which, at its closest, is 365 million miles away at its farthest 601 million miles. The nearest.at times,is Venus but due to orbits Mercury is really the nearest most of the time and distances for them are Venus at 38 million miles and Mercury 48 million miles. To the best of my knowledge none of the planets in our solar system ,apart from Earth, has conditions for any substantial form of life due to extremes. Either too hot..Venus gets to 465C... too cold ..Uranus gets down to -224C ,Neptune not quite as cold at -214C and with winds of more than 700mph. Anyway, planet-hopping within the solar system is a non-starter so it seems to me a reasonable assumption that the planets of other stars have similar hostile environments. No planet has been discovered yet that has any form of life on it. I'm sure there must be but so far we don't know.

Re the actual planet-hopping can you imagine the calculations required to do that across the Milky Way as planets move and at very fast speeds ?

Naturally, we can only imnagine what so-called aliens look like and it's always a variation of us. ET ? Putting that aside here are some mind-blowing facts.

There are 125 billion galaxies in the observable Universe...courtesy of Hubble. It's going to be fascinating to learn what the JW telescope discovers. The Milky Way is 100,000 light -years across. It has 50 satellite galaxies, the largest being the Large Megellanic Cloud and that's 14,000 light-years in diameter, btw..it's 158,200 light-years away from Earth.The Small Magellanic Cloud is 199,000 light-years away.

Better not start on the nearest galaxy Andromeda. That's approximately 2.5 million light years away.

In no way do I claim to know all this stufff off the top of my head but I'm aware of enough to know what data to look at. They say that a lawyer doesn't know all there is to know about law for each case but does know in what area to do the research which is often case law.

You've started your reply to Jelster with.."Without getting too deep into it"... etc.. There's a thread dedicated to all this .'The Space and Astronomy' thread in the Out of Focus/General Discussion section..well, you posted in it yourself on Christmas Day re the live footage of the launch of the JW Telescope and there's a good level of interest in it not to mention all the contributions in this one so, with that in mind, could you expand on this planet-hopping theory ? If you get 'too deep' into it I'm sure someone will ask for a simplified explanation.My guess is that it would really be appreciated as you indicate that you have some depth of knowledge that most of us don't have.

 

[simon ess]

The only reason I said "without getting too deep into it," and it very much gas nothing to do with "some depth of knowledge", is because it is, as you already know, immensely difficult, immensely complex and open to a vast array of contradiction and disbelief.

I'm not a fan of reading or writing lengthy posts so I'm happy to leave it there thanks.

It's not difficult for people to do their own research and come to their own conclusions.

 

[JohnC6]

A fiction book I read so long ago that I can recall neither the title nor the author, contained an interesting speculation on interstellar communication.

It suggested that civilisations would never meet face to face, because in general the physical travel time would be thousands of years. Instead, a form of what we now call the internet would be supported by Tachyons, which, if they exist, cannot travel as slowly as light,

So just think on this: there could be a conversation currently raging on the imaging forum discussing the advantages and disadvantages of using the new 64,000 Terabyte holograms instead of the old fashioned 32,000 standard!

Now that's interesting Tachyons. I had to Google that. Not yet in existence ,I see. Anti-mass particles that travel faster than light. After reading informatiion on them and associated information involving what Einstein theorised on I had to stop and take a couple of paracetamol

On a more serious note,though. I did read this and what struck me was what I've put in italics. Known laws of physics.

A tachyon or tachyonic particle is a hypothetical particle that always travels faster than light. Most physicists believe that faster-than-light particles cannot exist because they are not consistent with the known laws of physics.

Whenever I heard that claim I thought, yes, it's true..the known laws of physics but I've wondered about and belivied that there are laws of physics deep out in space in other galaxies that we aren't aware of. So..I've just Googled it to see if there's been any progress on that front.

An article in ScienceDaily dated 2010.

A team of astrophysicists based in Australia and England has uncovered evidence that the laws of physics are different in different parts of the universe.

" The implications for our current understanding of science are profound. If the laws of physics turn out to be merely 'local by-laws', it might be that whilst our observable part of the universe favours the existence of life and human beings, other far more distant regions may exist where different laws preclude the formation of life, at least as we know it.I f our results are correct, clearly we shall need new physical theories to satisfactorily describe them."

The researchers' conclusions are based on new measurements taken with the Very Large Telescope (VLT) in Chile, along with their previous measurements from the world's largest optical telescopes at the Keck Observatory in Hawaii.

Dr Michael Murphy from Swinburne University (Melbourne) said "The discovery will force scientists to rethink their understanding of Nature's laws. "The fine structure constant, and other fundamental constants, are absolutely central to our current theory of physics. If they really do vary, we'll need a better, deeper theory. .While a 'varying constant' would shake our understanding of the world around us extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. What we're finding is extraordinary, no doubt about that. It's one of the biggest questions of modern science -- are the laws of physics the same everywhere in the universe and throughout its entire history? We're determined to answer this burning question one way or the other."

Maybe developing the equivalent of Facetime and Zoom (I assume that's what you meant) could be a real possibility. Or, will it remain for ever science-fiction ? You've added a 'tumbleweed' emoji but you never know. Look how much we've progressed since the first telescope was pointed at the skies.

In 1842 the French philosopher Auguste Comte wrote of the stars: “We can never learn their internal constitution, nor, in regard to some of them, how heat is absorbed by their atmosphere.” In a similar vein, he said of the planets: “We can never know anything of their chemical or mineralogical structure; and, much less, that of organized beings living on their surface.”

Here are,as the heading states, 10 impossibles conquered by science https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13556-10-impossibilities-conquered-by-science/

 

[Jelster]

I think what @JohnC6 is trying to point out, that to planet hop, you would even more hospitable planets for each leg of the journey. That means we must consider that there are even more planets that are able to support life.

 

[Nod]

Probably narrow minded to assume that all life needs the same conditions as life on Earth does.

 

[Jelster]

Probably narrow minded to assume that all life needs the same conditions as life on Earth does.

I don't think it's narrow minded, "it's life Jim, but not as we know it"

We have no idea what life could be like elsewhere. Just think, if they were "water" based, they would need to take in Oxygen through gills or similar, but they may not need oxygen at all/

 

[JohnC6]

I think what @JohnC6 is trying to point out, that to planet hop, you would even more hospitable planets for each leg of the journey. That means we must consider that there are even more planets that are able to support life.

Exactly that,Steve but I readily acknowledge that I have a propensity to expand, sometimes exponentially..lol... as a discussion progresses on a particular issue. Brevity was never my forte ..as evidenced above by my reply to Andrew F..lol.

It's been a good discussion and I find it disappointing that simon (?) thinks it better for people to do their own research and come to their own conclusions without any input from others on any given subject and, crucially, seemingly, not share them. It appears that's what he's saying. I'd never have entertained the idea that AndreF has just put forward re Tachyons.

 

[andya700]

Probably narrow minded to assume that all life needs the same conditions as life on Earth does.

Exactly, I think some people are automatically thinking that extraterrestrial life would bear some resemblence to humans and would also have only slightly more advanced technology.

 

[woof woof]

Probably narrow minded to assume that all life needs the same conditions as life on Earth does.

Life exists in some pretty hostile places on earth and this could mean that life is much more common than we'd expect it to be if it could only exist in the more life friendly parts of the world that we inhabit.

There's also the theory that life is seeded on planets by meteorites.

If reports of aliens visiting the earth in craft are true I wonder why they'd do the things people report? It's as if they're not too professional. Perhaps space travel for them is so easy any twit can do it. If the stories of recovered craft and bodies are true why wouldn't they try and get them back? Just look at what the armed forces do to recover bodies so it seem odd that alien craft may crash and aliens be killed and there's no attempt to recover the bodes or craft.

It's all ifs and buts.

On balance I think "UFO's" as structured controlled craft do exist as the tech evidence seems pretty convincing but these days they could well be earthly advanced tech. Black triangles for example and maybe the tic tac. Why they do what they're reported to do I can only guess, maybe to test responses or spread misinformation and confusion? On balance I'm willing to believe aliens visit too but if they do their reported behaviour seems... odd.

 

[woof woof]

Just in case anyone is interested.

I'm just watching "Unacknowledged" which you may be able to find free to watch on line. In fact this might work for you.

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