Typical!

AJR SIMPSON said:
Not sure how old You and John are, as I said in another reply I'm in my mid 50 and was brought up with and still treat others with respect where due.
I also find it a bit humourus that I'm being given stick for not replying when the subject was I was stopping using the forum :)
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Get yourself a macro lens, Andrew and come post in the macro forum here. We're a friendly lot in there as we like to get close. :D
 
Alastair said:
Photography and Talk Photography are not the same thing. If you need the validation of Talk Photography to do photography, maybe it isn't the hobby for you.

Take a break from the forum, find a new one, go take some pictures. Or just chuck the lot and find a new hobby. You'll be disappointed to note that whatever you do won't make a difference to either photography or Talk Photography. It never does.
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Well thanks for taking a small portion of what I said and sprinkling it with your interpretation. Are you trying to promote photography or the forum with that attitude? LOL
It isn't about validation, never has, never will be. It was more about the trust and honesty of feedback, giving a loss of confidence of what is said and the advice given.
 
AJR SIMPSON said:
Well thanks for taking a small portion of what I said and sprinkling it with your interpretation. Are you trying to promote photography or the forum with that attitude? LOL
It isn't about validation, never has, never will be. It was more about the trust and honesty of feedback, giving a loss of confidence of what is said and the advice given.
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The only way you'll achieve any level of harmony or trust on a forum is to post, Andrew and read. There are a few guys on the macro forum who are excellent photographers and they are ones I share with and learn from. If a member only posts critique but never posts images then he won't get your trust as he has no credibility. Find the guys and girls who really excel at your given genre and follow them and learn from them. Post your images with grace and accept that some comments will be useful and some won't. Bin the ones that aren't useful and learn from the ones that are. Sometimes it's difficult to put into perspective things in the cyber world that we have no problems putting into context in the real world. 'Tis the nature of the internet and communicating with complete strangers.
 
AJR SIMPSON said:
Are you trying to promote photography or the forum with that attitude? LOL
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Neither. I generally don't give a toss about 99% of the feedback given on this forum. Asking the web at large (i.e. a forum of this size) for constructive criticism is an exercise in futility. But I know whose opinions I do respect and where to go to ask them for it. So go find another forum, lots of us do. Find a small group that think the same way about photography as you do. You've just learned the first lesson of online photography, big forums are crap for starting out.
 
Alastair said:
Neither. I generally don't give a toss about 99% of the feedback given on this forum. Asking the web at large (i.e. a forum of this size) for constructive criticism is an exercise in futility. But I know whose opinions I do respect and where to go to ask them for it. So go find another forum, lots of us do. Find a small group that think the same way about photography as you do. You've just learned the first lesson of online photography, big forums are crap for starting out.
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You really are trying to get onto the welcoming committee aren't you!?
Who say's i started out on here? Stop just spouting what you think without any basis in fact, another great curse of Internet Forums :-)
 
AJR SIMPSON said:
You really are trying to get onto the welcoming committee aren't you!?
Who say's i started out on here? Stop just spouting what you think without any basis in fact, another great curse of Internet Forums :)
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Hold up dude, I think you are reading into this wrong and Alastair is trying to help.
Maybe show some of that common courtesy you mentioned earlier?

'Stop just spouting' as a term is a bit rude don't you think?
 
RichardtheSane said:
Hold up dude, I think you are reading into this wrong and Alastair is trying to help.
Maybe show some of that common courtesy you mentioned earlier?

'Stop just spouting' as a term is a bit rude don't you think?
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Thanks for the reply but I disagree with your reading of Alastair's posts.

The last one starts with " I generally don't give a toss about 99% of the feedback given on this forum" somewhat aggressive and confrontational to me not to mention rather damming on the members too.

Then he goes on to tell me to join another forum! Saying I'm not grown up enough to be in a big sweetie shop, so to speak comes over as condescending rather than helpful, no?

He offers all that advice about joining a smaller forum and learning my first lesson, all that without knowing the first thing about my background or history in forums etc

To me it's an arrogant, condescending and opinionated view in both of his posts (or spouting as I previously said) so it is not deserving of much courtesy. I'd go as far as to say not giving him my full opinion on his thoughts is showing a great deal of constraint and more courtesy that he deserves.
Perhaps I'm wrong with his intent but that's how it comes over to me, if you believe otherwise Richard that's up to you, cheers.
 
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AJR SIMPSON said:
Spent the last week bidding on wide angle zooms for the camera while wrestling with the thought, do I want or need to go wider?
I've always had a feel for not going wide but recently had a couple of times I'd wished for a few more degrees, hence the half hearted bids.
Missed out on 3 on Sunday due to my tempered bids with my half hearted interest.
So Sun night I put a highest bid offer on a lens finishing today which wasn't the highest I'd offered and decided it was the last effort I was going to make.
So at 5-30 today I won! That's not the Reason for the title.

The ironic reason is that in the meantime last night I read a few more posts and threads and decided I've had enough of the photography B-S.
The duplicity and pettiness has taken it's toll for the last time.
Ah well time to spend my time more productively on something else and an extra lens to be thrown in the back of a cupboard,
TYPICAL.
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Andrew, I hope you stick with photography.

I can't remember the last time (if ever...) I posted a picture looking for feedback, I just take pictures for me and those close to me and I just don't care what a bunch of random blokes think of my pictures but I can see how and why you and others would look for constructive and helpful feedback but I think it's just a fact of life that sometime the process isn't pleasant... and that's a shame.

Maybe you could do as has been suggested and look for somewhere else to post pictures and get feedback or maybe you could develop a slightly thicker skin and try to live with the harsher comments and maybe write them off and focus on the good and helpful?
 
woof woof said:
Andrew, I hope you stick with photography.

I can't remember the last time (if ever...) I posted a picture looking for feedback, I just take pictures for me and those close to me and I just don't care what a bunch of random blokes think of my pictures but I can see how and why you and others would look for constructive and helpful feedback but I think it's just a fact of life that sometime the process isn't pleasant... and that's a shame.

Maybe you could do as has been suggested and look for somewhere else to post pictures and get feedback or maybe you could develop a slightly thicker skin and try to live with the harsher comments and maybe write them off and focus on the good and helpful?
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Thanks Alan,
I don't mind negative feedback but do value it from some on how to improve.
It was more an issue with a lack of trust/belief in what some people I had faith in, being a rant it came over worse than my normal English.
It wasn't only here on Talk but there were other factors and it shattered my confidence at the time. As I said before if it wasn't for the irony of winning the lens I probably wouldn't have posted :-)
Got the lens and delighted with it so I just need to thicken the skin.
Cheers again.
 
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Ah well I was somewhat stunned reading on a Crit post last night where the subject in most of the images were good but they were full of flares, blurred objects, poor exposure etc. All in all I'd say a poor set of images that needed some work but with the flares some serious work to get rid of, up steps a long established poster with "A very nice set,"
As a few had said on this thread I questioned the post to be told they ment it so I listed my reasons for each image which was a bit harsh on the original poster but I just found it so wrong that the established poster had put it down as "very nice"
Obviously there were a couple of comments back and forth and the upshot is they stand by their opinion. I still disagree that such poor images with very basic flaws can be described as that but each to their own.
FF to an hour ago and a very nice sunset shot, well composed and with no glaring schoolboy errors (or should it be schoolgirl?) and the lover of flares an OOF parts jumps in with words to the effect that the foreground is a little too bright and to tweak back the shadows a touch.
I'm still wiping the wine of my computer screen, hilarious. A great laugh to finish the weekend, thank you 22K+ poster :-)
 
I've just read through that thread (I posted in it and tried gently to give constructive criticism) but there does seem to be a wiff of what you were saying in this thread - there were glaring technical errors through all of them despite some reasonable compositions.
 
Stuart Mc said:
I've just read through that thread (I posted in it and tried gently to give constructive criticism) but there does seem to be a wiff of what you were saying in this thread - there were glaring technical errors through all of them despite some reasonable compositions.
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I did see that and I do feel a bit bad for the OP pointing things out as blunt as I did but it was aimed at the person who said they were very nice (they even got back up from a 1000+ poster) it just seemed so far off any basis in truth, but such is life.
Still ending myself laughing every time I think of tonights post compared to last nights "very good" as they are night and day. :-)
 
AJR SIMPSON said:
Ah well I was somewhat stunned reading on a Crit post last night where the subject in most of the images were good but they were full of flares, blurred objects, ...
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I sometimes deliberately (honestly, I do...) include flare. Why not? :D



:D
 
gramps said:
You are giving far too much importance to what other people think!
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When you enter a bakery, you don't intend to buy
some of everything, do you? You take either what
you need or what you desire. you have the privilege
to choose or to ignore (even without the button!).
AJR SIMPSON said:
trying to get better but lack knowledge and confidence in what i'm doing so rely on some feedback.
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I don't think of giving up anything because of some bad
replies but I concentrate on the people I can help or that
can inspire me (sometimes the same!).

I stopped sharing anything else but the take I do for fun,
outside the scope of my trade. I met too many cool guys
and girls here… I too have the privilege to choose.
 
Just a quick butt in from me because this bits important....

It matters not how many posts a person has, someone could have only 10 posts but be very knowledgeable and worth listening too, others could have thousands but just be damn chatty, doesn't mean they know much.

Carry on...im going back to my corner now to listen :D
 
Thread cleaned. Keep it civil otherwise there will be more time off for people
 
I cba reading through all this so I may be repeating the sentiments of others. All I would say to the OP is spend more time taking photos and less time on forums. I'd always recommend worrying less about other people's opinions and more about having a defined goal to measure your own success by.
 
Kodiak Qc said:
When you enter a bakery, you don't intend to buy
some of everything, do you? You take either what
you need or what you desire. you have the privilege
to choose or to ignore (even without the button!).

I don't think of giving up anything because of some bad
replies but I concentrate on the people I can help or that
can inspire me (sometimes the same!).

I stopped sharing anything else but the take I do for fun,
outside the scope of my trade. I met too many cool guys
and girls here… I too have the privilege to choose.
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But I like bread and pastries, I'll spend all my money on them :-)
I do agree though that people are like confectionery and some are not very likeable.
Luckily or not Kodiak you're an Iced star pastry and if I could buy only one pastry it would be that.

Cg_Girl said:
Just a quick butt in from me because this bits important....

It matters not how many posts a person has, someone could have only 10 posts but be very knowledgeable and worth listening too, others could have thousands but just be damn chatty, doesn't mean they know much.

Carry on...im going back to my corner now to listen :D
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Thanks for the words of wisdom, I fully agree on the numbers. I do use the content and don't just base it on sheer volume.

kendo1 said:
I'm chatty.
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Cheers chatty man. :-)

FinePrintDandy said:
I cba reading through all this so I may be repeating the sentiments of others. All I would say to the OP is spend more time taking photos and less time on forums. I'd always recommend worrying less about other people's opinions and more about having a defined goal to measure your own success by.
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Thanks for the input, I'm not overly fussed about opinions on me but the weather is turning for the better so time to get out more :-)
 
And double Typical, there's a bit of a tantrum on my thread and I never even saw what happened! Where's the fun in that? And I even got a warning :-(
Thanks for all the input.
 
AJR SIMPSON said:
And double Typical, there's a bit of a tantrum on my thread and I never even saw what happened! Where's the fun in that? And I even got a warning :-(
Thanks for all the input.
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*snigger*

It's good to see you're taking it well :)

Welcome! The only way is up :D
 
kendo1 said:
*snigger*

It's good to see you're taking it well :)

Welcome! The only way is up :D
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I can hardly have a rant back if I didn't see the fun :-) (not that I would obviously as I'm on a warning) :-)
 
AJR SIMPSON said:
I can hardly have a rant back if I didn't see the fun :) (not that I would obviously as I'm on a warning) :)
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With this attitude you'll fit in nicely :)

Looks like a few regulars had their wrists slapped :banana:
 
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Hmmm.... This forum is mostly a collection of random people looking at random photos posted by random other people. Occasionally some of those random people will comment on said random photos. I'll take this a step further and suggest the whole process is... well... a bit random.

The thing is, none of it matters. Really. I'll happily concede that I spend more time on here than I should, but that's because I enjoy interacting here - even when I'm having a bit of a verbal spar with someone (which isn't very often to be fair). If I didn't enjoy it as much, I'd be off - there are other forums, there are other ways of communicating with people and I have other interests which could occupy my "forum time". If I ever felt like I was getting less back than I was putting in, I'd be away. But then maybe I'm selfish.

When people comment on photos, it's more of this random process above - sometimes you get an angry forummer who got out of bed the wrong side that day, who posts something pretty blunt. Othertimes you'll get someone who's just trying to be nice and encourage. Even if that ends in a "nice shot" hopefully there's at least something else more constructive... although sometimes there might not be.

So it's really just luck of the draw whether any one of us gets a "well that's frankly rubbish" type comment to something which is quite reasonable, or a "wow, lovely shot" to something which is distinctly below-average. I know I've felt a bit fed up when a photo I've posted gets no comments. Othertimes I've had plenty of feedback on something which I didn't really feel merited it... so it's swings and roundabouts.

I'd hate to think anyone spends their time here being marginalised or pushed away. But if that's ever the case then it's probably better they take a bit of a break and see whether they want to come back. The last thing anyone wants is someone feeling victimised or bullied - here or anywhere else.

I hope you stick around because it's clear that you care and forums such as this benefit from people who do just that.

And I hope you get to enjoy participating more than you have been!
 
How come I managed to miss the misdemeanour's, mods can you put the comments back, just so I can have a nosey? You can take them back down afterwards.
 
BMG said:
How come I managed to miss the misdemeanour's, mods can you put the comments back, just so I can have a nosey? You can take them back down afterwards.
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Luckily for you I copied all the slanging back and forwards between all the protagonists.

I can paste it all up if you want :)
 
Cool, could do with a giggle, I don't know I how do it, I always miss the fun! ;)​
 
I'll just run it passed Kelly...
 
:facepalm:[emoji38]
 
woof woof said:
Wrists slapped? What fun is that?

I'd at least want my bottom spanked.
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I thought I knew you :-)

pjm1 said:
Hmmm.... This forum is mostly a collection of random people looking at random photos posted by random other people. Occasionally some of those random people will comment on said random photos. I'll take this a step further and suggest the whole process is... well... a bit random.

The thing is, none of it matters. Really. I'll happily concede that I spend more time on here than I should, but that's because I enjoy interacting here - even when I'm having a bit of a verbal spar with someone (which isn't very often to be fair). If I didn't enjoy it as much, I'd be off - there are other forums, there are other ways of communicating with people and I have other interests which could occupy my "forum time". If I ever felt like I was getting less back than I was putting in, I'd be away. But then maybe I'm selfish.

When people comment on photos, it's more of this random process above - sometimes you get an angry forummer who got out of bed the wrong side that day, who posts something pretty blunt. Othertimes you'll get someone who's just trying to be nice and encourage. Even if that ends in a "nice shot" hopefully there's at least something else more constructive... although sometimes there might not be.

So it's really just luck of the draw whether any one of us gets a "well that's frankly rubbish" type comment to something which is quite reasonable, or a "wow, lovely shot" to something which is distinctly below-average. I know I've felt a bit fed up when a photo I've posted gets no comments. Othertimes I've had plenty of feedback on something which I didn't really feel merited it... so it's swings and roundabouts.

I'd hate to think anyone spends their time here being marginalised or pushed away. But if that's ever the case then it's probably better they take a bit of a break and see whether they want to come back. The last thing anyone wants is someone feeling victimised or bullied - here or anywhere else.

I hope you stick around because it's clear that you care and forums such as this benefit from people who do just that.

And I hope you get to enjoy participating more than you have been!
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Now that is a bit random and I do agree yet at the same time disagree . Sorry my head is starting to hurt trying to come up with more but you've nailed it.
It wasn't a personal thing just the contradictory opinions that were just about unfathomable. I've taken my meds and all is well now. :-)

BMG said:
How come I managed to miss the misdemeanour's, mods can you put the comments back, just so I can have a nosey? You can take them back down afterwards.
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Join the queue,

kendo1 said:
I'll just run it passed Kelly...
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Oh i'm sure the mods will see it's in good faith and doing the forum a favour, crack on LOL
 
Nothing to see really. Only some wine and bottom wipe accusations lol But IMO overstepped the mark
 
skiking said:
Nothing to see really. Only some wine and bottom wipe accusations lol But IMO overstepped the mark
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Cheers folks, I got the gist and I don't have a problem being called names when i know the whole story.
Done and dusted, time to move on :-)
 
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