Two questions regarding Canon crop sensor and full frame cameras

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Dael_Pix said:
Been watching some Youtube vids using the camera and I think I'm making a good choice.

Getting a price via Digitalrev, they seem to have the 5D MKIV at a lower cost than in the UK. Also going for the 17-40mm f4 L (I think).
I have the EF 70-300mm (kit lens I think). Not a bad lens, haven't used it since I got a longer zoom lens. So I'll be keeping that one.

Other lenses I've considered are:
Canon 24-70 f2.8 L MKII
Canon 16-35mm f4 L
Canon 70-200mm f4 L Non IS


I have the Canon EF 100mm f/2.8 Macro and the Sigma 150-500mm f/5-6.3 DG OS HSM
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There’s a surprise :)

If you are going to look at Grey though, I would suggest HDEW in the first instance, still imports however they are a bricks and mortar store in the uk, they also give a 3 year warranty. Current price £2349. If looking abroad, then Panamoz (same price as DigitalRev) but also includes a 3 yr UK warranty, they also claim you can use Canon UK
 
Dael_Pix said:
Been watching some Youtube vids using the camera and I think I'm making a good choice.

Getting a price via Digitalrev, they seem to have the 5D MKIV at a lower cost than in the UK. Also going for the 17-40mm f4 L (I think).
I have the EF 70-300mm (kit lens I think). Not a bad lens, haven't used it since I got a longer zoom lens. So I'll be keeping that one.

Other lenses I've considered are:
Canon 24-70 f2.8 L MKII
Canon 16-35mm f4 L
Canon 70-200mm f4 L Non IS

I have the Canon EF 100mm f/2.8 Macro and the Sigma 150-500mm f/5-6.3 DG OS HSM
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If I was buying a new 5D IV I wouldn't be thinking about the 17-40 f4 L, I'd be considering the 16-35 f4 L instead; the 17-40 L is a good lens (I have one myself for my 6D) but I have a feeling the slightly soft corners at wide apertures would probably be more noticeable on a 5D IV. That's the trouble with buying a top-quality, high-MP DSLR, the lenses have to be of similar high quality if you want to get the best out of it.

Canon have a list of lenses they recommend for the 5DS series cameras on their website somewhere, so perhaps have a look what they recommend for those when considering what to buy, after all, camera image quality is only going to improve in the future, so if you are buying new then you may as well buy lenses that stand a chance of keeping up for a few years? Hope this suggestion is useful and best of luck choosing what's right for you. (y)
 
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soeren said:
You know, full frame cameras don't have a viewfinder, you focus on the groundglass :LOL:
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Yeah but the big black sheet tends to put people off and it's difficult getting hold of that flash powder these days.
 
Dael_Pix said:
Been watching some Youtube vids using the camera and I think I'm making a good choice.

Getting a price via Digitalrev, they seem to have the 5D MKIV at a lower cost than in the UK. Also going for the 17-40mm f4 L (I think).
I have the EF 70-300mm (kit lens I think). Not a bad lens, haven't used it since I got a longer zoom lens. So I'll be keeping that one.

Other lenses I've considered are:
Canon 24-70 f2.8 L MKII
Canon 16-35mm f4 L
Canon 70-200mm f4 L Non IS


I have the Canon EF 100mm f/2.8 Macro and the Sigma 150-500mm f/5-6.3 DG OS HSM
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I wouldnt bother with the 17-40. The 16-35 f4 is a much more consistent lens especially at the short end.
 
I didn't actually ask for a quote. I typed it all out, but my father turned the wifi off before I could post it.

I'm sold on the 16-35mm f4. Yes it seems better than the 17-40mm.

Been doing some calculations between Wex, Park Cameras, DigitalRev and HDEW. DigitalRev seem to the cheapest.
 
Dael_Pix said:
I didn't actually ask for a quote. I typed it all out, but my father turned the wifi off before I could post it.

I'm sold on the 16-35mm f4. Yes it seems better than the 17-40mm.

Been doing some calculations between Wex, Park Cameras, DigitalRev and HDEW. DigitalRev seem to the cheapest.
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Do you understand the difference between uk retailers and grey importers?
 
Craig_85 said:
Do you understand the difference between uk retailers and grey importers?
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Yes.

If I can find a UK retailer that has both items between 3-4k then I'm all ears. I'll input my gear into Wex part exchange and see what I can get for the items.
 
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Dael_Pix said:
Yes.

If I can find a UK retailer that has both items between 3-4k then I'm all ears. I'll input my gear into Wex part exchange and see what I can get for the items.
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Cheapest I could see on camera price buster;

Mifsuds are 3200 for the 5d4 and camera centre are 820 on the 16-35.

You can't expect the uk retailers to match the grey importers on price, vat is 20%...
 
Mifsuds appear to be advertising the 5D MK1V (body only) for £2997 in the October edition of Digital Camera Magazine (Page 128), but according to their website it's £3199. Who knows, a phone call and some polite but firm haggling might get it for the mag advert price? I've not bought anything from them myself so I can't comment on service, etc. but their name has been around for years if that's anything to go by?

If you're just getting just the one lens for it then I'd be much more inclined to go for a 24-70 as it's a more useful length than a 16-35 for everyday stuff. Put it this way, I use my 24-105 a lot more than my 17-40! Depends on what sort of shots you take though, so its your call. If you can't run to the cost of a 24-70 L f2.8 then perhaps have a look at the reviews and tests for the 24-70 f4 L IS and see if you think that would be any good to you?
 
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Dael_Pix said:
Yes.

If I can find a UK retailer that has both items between 3-4k then I'm all ears. I'll input my gear into Wex part exchange and see what I can get for the items.
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If you're set on Grey Import (which I think you probably are) then take into account the backup that is available if something goes wrong. Quote from respective websites

Digital Rev:
The warranty:

DigitalRev one year limited warranty is available on all products offered in DigitalRev Online Store, except those products that come with a worldwide or international warranty as standard as well as products listed in "Specific exclusions" and "General exclusions". The DigitalRev one year warranty, valid only when goods is paid for in full, warrants the product to operate according to manufacturer's specifications for the period of 1 year after the dispatch date.
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Panamoz
1) Do the products come with any warranty?



At Panamoz.com, we take customer satisfaction very seriously. Our goal is to exceed your expectations related to product quality, technical support and customer service. We deliver the best warranties in the industry with a 14 Day Money Back Guarantee and a 3 year UK local Warranty coverage on all products. All items purchased from Panamoz Electronics come with our free warranty. Our warranty covers all manufacturer's defects, and all parts, labour, and shipping costs for the full duration of the warranty. Our products are all extremely high quality brand name items from brands such as Sony, Canon, Panasonic, Samsung, and many others. We stand by all the products we sell and we want to give you the protection you deserve. All warranty issues are handled locally in the UK.
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On the product page it even stipulates Canon UK Service.

And to clarify Canon's stance on the issue
https://www.canon.co.uk/about_us/about_canon/parallel_products_information/

Not saying don't do it, just beware, because a lot of manufacturers are starting to clamp down and even remember hearing of a few cases where the manufacturer refused to carry out recalls or firmware updates
 
Thank you Chris. I'm awaiting an email back from Wex Photographic about a part exchange form I filled in this evening.
 
You could always see if WEX will price match Mifsuds on the 5D4 body? Or if they'll increase the value of your part ex items to make up the difference if they won't budge on the camera price (after you've got the original part-ex price reply off them, of course)? If you don't ask, you won't know; that's what I always say! I love a good haggle when I'm buying something that costs a bit. :D
 
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Mr Badger said:
You could always see if WEX will price match Mifsuds on the 5D4 body? Or if they'll increase the value of your part ex items to make up the difference if they won't budge on the camera price (after you've got the original part-ex price reply off them, of course)? If you don't ask, you won't know; that's what I always say! I love a good haggle when I'm buying something that costs a bit. :D
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Hmm good idea there. I'll ask them when I get the email back (y)
 
The argument about size / weight is valid, but you might not see a difference. Sounds odd, but they only make crop only lenses for relatively mid length zooms or wide zooms, after that the size / weight benefits don't come into play, which is why you don't see crop only mid to long zooms.

If you're already using say a 70-200, 70-300, 100-400, 150-600 etc or even shorter lenses such as 16-35 etc, you'll be using the same lenses [emoji3]

Also full frame bodies aren't necessarily heavier or larger, my full frame Canon 6d is smaller and lighter than my APSC Canon gear.
 
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The thing is that I've never updated it. I've gone into Updates, and there's an option for 'Lightroom CC (2015.12) / 6.12' ?
 
I upgraded from the 60D to the 6D (original) the image quality upgrade was worth it for me. There was no difference weight or size wise between the two bodies.

I would say that you may not need a 16-35mm/17-40mm even for landscapes. I use the 24-105L all the time, it's my main lens and 24mm on full frame is equivalent to 15mm on crop sensor Canons so it's actually quite wide as it is. And if I want a wider image, I will do a panorama.
Take a look at Thomas Heaton on youtube, he uses a 5D4 and his main lens is the 24-70 f2.8 II.
Personally I don't see the point in the 24-70 f4L, you might as well get the 24-105L and get a longer zoom range for the same money (ignoring the Mk2 lens). If you can afford the 24-70 f2.8 Mk2, then great, but it's a heavy beast, especially if you're hiking for landscape shots.
 
ABTog said:
Personally I don't see the point in the 24-70 f4L, you might as well get the 24-105L and get a longer zoom range for the same money
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Same money? My 24-70 f4L was just over half the cost of the 24-105 f4L when i bought it
 
Twigman said:
Same money? My 24-70 f4L was just over half the cost of the 24-105 f4L when i bought it
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Maybe if you are looking at brand new. But there are plenty of bargain 24-105Ls to be had for less than £600 and I would rather have the extra zoom range. In fact the compression and bokeh at 105mm is rather good.
 
At the moment I would like to take photos of landscapes, macro and to use my 150-500mm lens. I'll consider buying an 'all-rounder' lens at some point in the future.
 
Dael_Pix said:
The thing is that I've never updated it. I've gone into Updates, and there's an option for 'Lightroom CC (2015.12) / 6.12' ?
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Lightroom 6.12 is the latest version and your Lightroom should be automatically updating itself unless you have switched updates off. No need to go looking for updates.
 
ABTog said:
Maybe if you are looking at brand new. But there are plenty of bargain 24-105Ls to be had for less than £600 and I would rather have the extra zoom range. In fact the compression and bokeh at 105mm is rather good.
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When Photozone tested the 24-70 f4 their comments were that the 24-105 f4 was a better choice due to the significant focus shift the 24-70 suffers when stopping down.
 
john.margetts said:
Lightroom 6.12 is the latest version and your Lightroom should be automatically updating itself unless you have switched updates off. No need to go looking for updates.
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Haven't touched or seen any settings to turn them on and off?

I contacted Adobe via twitter and they say that only LR versions from 6.7 are compatible with the Canon 5D mkIV. I would have to download a converter to use with LR 6.
 
ChrisHeathcote said:
So what version are you using now?
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v6.0

I also like to add that I have no use for photoshop, so I'm not paying for membership. Although the camera correction for straightening buildings, and for taking objects out of a photo would be nice to have.
 
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Dael_Pix said:
v6.0

I also like to add that I have no use for photoshop, so I'm not paying for membership. Although the camera correction for straightening buildings, and for taking objects out of a photo would be nice to have.
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So never updated it then?

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From within Lightroom, use "System Info" to find out what Version you are using:
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If you are not on the latest version, you should be able to use "Updates" to download the latest. From memory with the standalone you get all minor upgrades (i.e. 6.xx), so you get all compatibility upgrades and bug fixes, you don't get feature enhancements like "Dehaze" or major upgrades (LR 7 when they can eventually be bothered to bring one out)
 
I've been thinking.
Since I want an all-rounder lens, I think I'll save some money and go for the 24-70mm instead of the 16-35mm which is what I was looking at in my original post.

The f2.8 seems better so I'll look for a deal on that lens.
 
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Craig_85 said:
Cheapest I could see on camera price buster;

Mifsuds are 3200 for the 5d4 and camera centre are 820 on the 16-35.

You can't expect the uk retailers to match the grey importers on price, vat is 20%...
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Mr Badger said:
You could always see if WEX will price match Mifsuds on the 5D4 body? Or if they'll increase the value of your part ex items to make up the difference if they won't budge on the camera price (after you've got the original part-ex price reply off them, of course)? If you don't ask, you won't know; that's what I always say! I love a good haggle when I'm buying something that costs a bit. :D
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Out of pocket money now. Bought the Mark 4 with the 24-70mm 2.8.

I bought the camera body at £2997. I was going to buy the items from Pro-camera.co.uk but it appears there's some bad reviews/feedback on them, so I went with Mifsuds instead.
 
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