Two Getty and two Action togs at Championship match

1 on spec sale from about 20 games (mainly Championship and cups).
Just making sure I get my 15 paid shots (from commissions) so I can renew for next year, but see if I can get with an agency for the remainer of this (hopefully within a week or two).
Do DataCo have rules about not having your own licence if you are also with an agency? Can't immediately see a reason why not but you never know...

PS. Seen the nationals use big agency goal shots shot from the other side of the pitch, rather than ones which I've sent shot right under my nose. Sometimes I wonder if the emails are even opened.
 
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dont fully understand your drift
But if you have your own licence why work for an agency?
 
Also a bit confused? if you work for an agency then any pics wont go towards your licence..
 
Russ MCR said:
Because you know the nationals at least look at agency photos.
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but your are an agency.. anyone with a licence becomes an agency by default..you can add others to your licence..

I know where your coming from.. i used to convince myself that my pics wernt even getting to the destination when rubish was being use din place.. then i got one published then another and realised they are getting through..... anyway you ahve had one show so that proves getting through :)
 
I mean retain your own licence for the matches that you want to do on a commission basis (Leagues 1 and 2 mainly) using 15 shots that you've had published without an agency (i.e. published in locals), but at the same time be with an agency for them to send you to Championship games when you're not doing a commission. If the agency stuff alone was lucrative enough I'd be happy to sack the commissions.

Soz if I'm not being terribly clear.
 
your licence covers champiuonship and facup or league cup games.. the only thing a "bigger" agency would do is get you to premiership games which to be honest would be less then useless to 90% of people on spec


sorry just trying to understand the logic.. I think i get what you mean but I also think your logic is flawed... anyway doubt dataco would let you go on an agencies books when you are alrerady reggged as an agency yourself ... thats just my thought not a fact :)
 
KIPAX said:
but your are an agency.. anyone with a licence becomes an agency by default..you can add others to your licence..

I know where your coming from.. i used to convince myself that my pics wernt even getting to the destination when rubish was being use din place.. then i got one published then another and realised they are getting through..... anyway you ahve had one show so that proves getting through :)
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True. I'm beginning to feel it's an anomaly! Like the picture editor was doing a good deed for the day!
 
KIPAX said:
your licence covers champiuonship and facup or league cup games.. the only thing a "bigger" agency would do is get you to premiership games which to be honest would be less then useless to 90% of people on spec
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I think getting your pictures seen is the biggest part of the challenge, much more so than shooting a quality photo (though I don't mean to suggest the latter isn't important).
Putting myself in the shoes of a picture desk editor at 4:55pm on a Saturday, would i want to go to a reliable website that I know I could get very usable (or excellent for that matter) pictures, as I would routinely do. Or would I want to be opening emails from people sending in on spec? Bearing in mind that I want to get my story out ASAP / or hitting the print deadline?
I don't really mean it as a question of accreditation.
 
Russ MCR said:
I think getting your pictures seen is the biggest part of the challenge, much more so than shooting a quality photo (though I don't mean to suggest the latter isn't important).
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That annoys me more than anything, there are widely respected pros out there submitting and getting published absolute garbage photographs purely based on the fact they work for a big agency, it really does seem to be the first pic to hit the sports desk gets published regardless of the actual technical quality of the photo as long as it comes in from one of the big agencies, i really have no interest in shooting football but some of the dross which crops up in the papers and all the supplements beggars belief, dont get me wrong, there is some seriously good stuff but there is more dross than good stuff
 
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Picture desk looks for images that fit shape allocated and cost (not necessarily in that order) . Smaller agencies images may get used IF Getty, PA,AI images are total s***e (possible) don't arrive in time or they want to run a feature on a certain player. I have been told the Mirror look at every image and question its usage if not by one of the biggies as they would have been cheaper.
 
A few weeks ago I had this one of Connor Wickham equalising for Sheff Weds against Charlton

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See below

http://josephmeredith.photoshelter....hiVzszrkpY8/I0000ZnMnXCMyHNQ/C0000i2Nl5V.VXKA

I much preferred it over the Action Images one they all used

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=charlton vs sheffield wednesday&client=firefox-a&hs=Bfs&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:eek:fficial&channel=fflb&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=YOzFUs6ZHMbChAeU0IDABA&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1467&bih=669#channel=fflb&q=charlton 1 sheffield wednesday 1&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:eek:fficial&tbm=isch&facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=kCMmLLYzXYdcuM:;jgqwIJnETCrqxM;http%3A%2F%2Fi.dailymail.co.uk%2Fi%2Fpix%2F2013%2F12%2F29%2Farticle-2530669-1A54FD6A00000578-809_634x403.jpg;http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymail.co.uk%2Fsport%2Ffootball%2Farticle-2530669%2FCharlton-1-Sheff-Wed-1-match-report-Relegation-rivals-battle-draw.html;634;403
 
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Russ MCR said:
Because you know the nationals at least look at agency photos.
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I talked to someone who used to work at a 'national newspaper' - about the sending pics on spec. And you are right, sometimes the images sent my freelancers/small agencies are not even seen by the picture editor. Whether it only happened in the paper where this person works.. I do not know. But it really does make you wonder why would you bother to go to a game on spec.
And hey, maybe enough talk in photography circles about this, makes less photographers go to games ;-)

Talking about big agency pics getting used from the other end of the pitch.. saw a good example of this just the other day. One of those images I would have hit 'delete' button on..

Problem for photographers in the UK is that Nationals are so geared towards one specific sport.. so everyone has to cover THAT sport in hope to get something in the papers. If there would be a wider range of sports covered in the nationals - we photographers would be more spread around as well.

For example (haven't been in the UK for the past few days) how much was there in the papers today about England U20's Volleyball going through in their qualification group towards the CEV U20 Championships?? And these games were played in the UK!!
But I am sure there was some 'very' important story not related to a football game.. about football ;-)
 
come on dont play daft.. you know the rules.. as i am sure the agency who owns the copyright does..
 
Now that is funny because on my license it says

Photos to Twitter/Social Networks allowed.

TP is a social network.
 
you ahve a licence? i thought it was merediths licence and as such he owns the pic not you ?
 
its currently the only picture covered by dataco on the whole of TP ... and you dont knwo why ? :)
 
Also how is that link different from The Guardian posting this on Twitter

https://BANNED/guardian_sport/status/420184488027914240/photo/1

Am mis-understanding 'Photos to Twitter/Social Networks allowed'?
 
I agree Tony I don't own the photo.

Does anyone know what 'Photos to Twitter/Social Networks allowed' actually means?
 
Ok photo now clickable linked to for those in the future who wont understand what I did wrong.
 
bigrob said:
I agree Tony I don't own the photo.

Does anyone know what 'Photos to Twitter/Social Networks allowed' actually means?
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there classed as news and posted in that ..whats the word.,. in the spirit of news.. your not posting it as news in any way shape or form..; i am suprised you need this explaining to be honest..

did you remove the pic or mods.. i didnt and wouldnt report it ..
 
No I removed it, as I shouldn't be naughty and don't want to jeapardise the license.
 
to put simply...

any pic posted anywhere has to be presented as a news item in some way shape or form.... even thoiugh social media was added..the rules of why/how posted hasnt changed..
 
I havnt read DataCo's T&C for sometime but I'd guess it would be to allow newspapers and magazines to post on their Twitter and social network pages. They are usually very strict on us poor struggling photographers using images for personal adverting or promoting unless hidden away under umpteen passwords. Of course it may have changed over past couple of years but I doubt it.
 
A licence holder is now allowed to post images on his website or social media (thats licence holder not someone working for licence holder) and now doesnt need to be password as used to... however it must contain a watermark that goes through important part of picture (thats what it says in licence) and be a low resolution pic....

lots of people who work for agencies post pics on facebook wiht no watermark... AFAIK thats wrong.. but then again I could be wrong :)

I post on facebook but not as..look at this pic i took.. but as look what happened...this covers me and its watermarked :)

I am allowed to put galleries on my website wiht watermark as indeed I do when i can be bothered :) not much use for me commercialy as not setup proper for media outlets to come looking :(
 
DataCo can't really patrol FB due to privacy settings.

They would need people to screen shot images and report them. Obviously different here.

Also interesting that clubs are asking people to Tweet pics of themselves in the grounds.
 
I am just relaying the rules as I see them.... I might be wrong.. I am asked a question and I answer as best I can using what knowledge I ahve... There is a possibility that I ahve it all wrong... I am not posting saying this is this and that is that.. I am posting saying these are the rules as I interpret them :)
 
If you have a digital copy can you post the rules?
 
bigrob said:
A few weeks ago I had this one of Connor Wickham equalising for Sheff Weds against Charlton

p406031812-2.jpg


See below

http://josephmeredith.photoshelter....hiVzszrkpY8/I0000ZnMnXCMyHNQ/C0000i2Nl5V.VXKA

I much preferred it over the Action Images one they all used

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=charlton vs sheffield wednesday&client=firefox-a&hs=Bfs&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:eek:fficial&channel=fflb&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=YOzFUs6ZHMbChAeU0IDABA&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1467&bih=669#channel=fflb&q=charlton 1 sheffield wednesday 1&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:eek:fficial&tbm=isch&facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=kCMmLLYzXYdcuM:;jgqwIJnETCrqxM;http%3A%2F%2Fi.dailymail.co.uk%2Fi%2Fpix%2F2013%2F12%2F29%2Farticle-2530669-1A54FD6A00000578-809_634x403.jpg;http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymail.co.uk%2Fsport%2Ffootball%2Farticle-2530669%2FCharlton-1-Sheff-Wed-1-match-report-Relegation-rivals-battle-draw.html;634;403
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I have been told in no uncertain terms not to publish any Pro footy images on social media sites even if already published, however, I can show a tearsheet/copy of paper image!.

I see one of my images on here Rob!! :). Kind regards Graham. Published in The Examiner. Kind regards Graham.
 
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I wrote to dataco and asked about tearsheets.. they said NO cant publish them .... that was two sasons ago so...
 
bigrob said:
Does anyone know what 'Photos to Twitter/Social Networks allowed' actually means?
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You wrote this on Jan 6th.. I also wanted to know.. so I did what I always do.. Asked the people in charge... I didnt get a reply.. so I resent the email in Febuary... Got a reply ten minutes ago from KW at dataco... not sure how much this helps.. just confirms but doesnt explain.. at leats its official :(


Forums and message boards are not considered as social media within our accreditation agreement, so we would not allow the publishing of photos within this platform.
 
Hi Tony

Apologies I got the rules and meant to read them and report back and forgot about it.

So thanks for that.
 
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