TV Questions Maybe I Can Help.

Comfortably Numb said:
Sometimes I think people should decide if a thread is relevant to them. If the info Barry is offering is of no value to you, that's fine, but it may be of use to some, so why not leave it to them? It saves a lot of bad feeling.
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That is a fair comment and I would normally agree.

It's the, "if you question me you know nothing or you're a troll" attitude that just presses my buttons.

Sorry.
 
simon ess said:
You see, that's a problem right there.

You not liking a response does not make it trolling.

Anyway...
Good luck.
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This is not about not liking a response, the poor guys offered some help and we end up with pages of irrelevant dribble. Not even a discussion on what is not agreeable, it is just shameful really to watch what has been going on in this thread. To me it really demonstrates an awful and unnecessary argumentative side of a lot of people.
 
simon ess said:
You see, that's a problem right there.

You not liking a response does not make it trolling.

Anyway...
Good luck.
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It's not a case of not liking a response but a case of someone posting an incorrect comment. Or posting a comment without any evidence to back it up simply to provoke a reaction that then moves into the realms of trolling?
 
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dejongj said:
This is not about not liking a response, the poor guys offered some help and we end up with pages of irrelevant dribble. Not even a discussion on what is not agreeable, it is just shameful really to watch what has been going on in this thread. To me it really demonstrates an awful and unnecessary argumentative side of a lot of people.
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Thanks. :)
 
Let me try one more time to illustrate the issue

Barry L. said:
This picture was taken a few years ago before I had any interest in Photography and of course we are viewing it on possibly uncalibrated monitors, but you get an basic idea of what can be achieved:
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Barry L. said:
Or posting a comment without any evidence to back it up
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If you can't see that this, together with calling questioners ignorant and trolls, is an issue, then I really don't give a f***.

You know?
 
simon ess said:
Let me try one more time to illustrate the issue





If you can't see that this, together with calling questioners ignorant and trolls, is an issue, then I really don't give a f***.

You know?
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Sorry you have lost me, i can't see the issue, where was i saying anything to annoy you again, or is it that i have done nothing wrong but you are trying to justify your behavior?

Never called anyone ignorant or a troll and you have not put any questions?
 
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Personally I have trouble taking anything seriously,the more indignation that gets shown just prompts me to become more flippant.

No offence meant, I just thought this was a light hearted discussion that if raised in the pub (anyone remember them?) would end up with lots of p*** taking, sorry
 
Barry L. said:
Never called anyone ignorant or a troll and you have not put any questions?
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simon ess said:
Oh well, I tried
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Answer one: he was talking at crossed purposes and i would prefer if you are going to quote me to use the whole post so as it is seen in context.

Answer two: i asked if you were trolling in reply to your post which again you have edited out.

Answer three: i asked a question as to your post again edited in regard to you making a statement that gave no evidence to back up what you said and was done to create a reaction and that moves into the realm of trolling.

So where did a call anyone ignorant and a troll?

My question to you is a simple one, you have asked nothing regarding AV but have gone out of your way to derail this thread, why??
 
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Now basicly i am pulling out of this forum as i have never seen so much antagonistic behavior to someone who was trying to help (no expert). I thought a thread on the subject of AV was a good idea at the time, but people here seem to want confrontation and to pick holes in every post.

PS
I recommend you read the reviews and information over on HDTVtest, and look out for TV Shootouts in the US and UK, i am usually commenting there.

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/
 
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Eh what the hell. Why should i be put off by one or two folk who should know better.


There is a list of ISF qualified calibrators some where i will link to. Prices are usualy around the £250 for a full calibration which isn't to bad for peace of mind. They also do PC monitors, so maybe that might appeal to some here.
 
Barry L. said:
If anyone does manage to get their TV's set up correctly the Photography on Samsara is breathtaking:

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I do find myself watching some of the incidental shots on programmes thinking how nice the photography was.
 
Barry L. said:
The pictures on a TV are photographic images.
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Well, I sort of understand where you are coming from, but to be really pedantic, they are just images. Sometimes there's not much photographic input to them ;)
 
Barry L. said:
There is an excellent Blu Ray disc with loads of test patterns from Spears & Munsil if the download route does not appeal:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Spears-Munsil-Benchmark-Calibration-Disc/dp/B00CKWI13O
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Barry L. said:
There is a list of ISF qualified calibrators some where i will link to. Prices are usualy around the £250 for a full calibration which isn't to bad for peace of mind. They also do PC monitors, so maybe that might appeal to some here.
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So how often do you recommend this is done? Is this a regular thing like PC monitor calibration checks?
Seeing as the usual price for a decent large, good spec TV is £1k, £250 seems steep, which might explain why many don't do it?

So if I use my PC input, then can I calibrate using my Spyder I use on my PC monitors? How about some of the other dynamic settings that come with TV's these days, would you recommend on or off?
 
Byker28i said:
So how often do you recommend this is done? Is this a regular thing like PC monitor calibration checks?
Seeing as the usual price for a decent large, good spec TV is £1k, £250 seems steep, which might explain why many don't do it?

So if I use my PC input, then can I calibrate using my Spyder I use on my PC monitors? How about some of the other dynamic settings that come with TV's these days, would you recommend on or off?
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This will only usualy need to be done once in the lifetime of a tv, however most calibrators will do a top up for a very much reduced cost.

The Spyder is not really good enough for TV calibration as it is unreliable at darker levels. The Eye One Pro is better for DIY calibation of TV's. Pro's usualy go for the Klein10A or Minolta but these costs many thousands of pounds.

All settings such as DNR or any other digital enhancements should be set to off.
 
Barry L. said:
They are an excellent basic guide i linked to earlier in the thread. But are not a full calibation.
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I think, for most viewers, £250 for calibration on a tv that may only have cost £500 is never going to happen frankly.
Follow the guides, get it best you can. Good enough for most people who want to take the time to do it.
 
DorsetDude said:
I think, for most viewers, £250 for calibration on a tv that may only have cost £500 is never going to happen frankly.
Follow the guides, get it best you can. Good enough for most people who want to take the time to do it.
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I agree a full ISF calibration is not really for those people who like to buy a £500 TV in the supermarket. But if you invest in a proper panel and appreciate it, it is definitely worth while.
 
tijuana taxi said:
Picture suffered a bit when her tail hung down over the screen, calibrating that would have involved teeth and claws.
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Don't forget that "horizontal hold" adjustment meant slapping it on the top, and "vertical hold" hitting both sides simultaneously ( the TV not the cat that is)
Or was it the other way around? I've quite forgotten TBH.

dejongj said:
I agree a full ISF calibration is not really for those people who like to buy a £500 TV in the supermarket.
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And that I suspect is where a large proportion come from.
 
Cobra said:
Don't forget that "horizontal hold" adjustment meant slapping it on the top, and "vertical hold" hitting both sides simultaneously ( the TV not the cat that is)
Or was it the other way around? I've quite forgotten TBH.


And that I suspect is where a large proportion come from.
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Nothing wrong with that, but if PQ of a tv costing a bit more is important and puts an end to fiddling with settings then calibration might be for you.
 
Cobra said:
And that I suspect is where a large proportion come from.
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And such a shame it is, although sometimes I think it is nice to not be handicapped by knowledge of how much better it can be.
 
Barry L. said:
Nothing wrong with that, but if PQ of a tv costing a bit more is important and puts an end to fiddling with settings then calibration might be for you.
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dejongj said:
And such a shame it is, although sometimes I think it is nice to not be handicapped by knowledge of how much better it can be.
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I hardly ever watch it, TBH far too much crap on there these days. ( for some years now)
My circa 8 year old curry's "special" still works, blue rays look good, and I can easily find far more things to waste my money on :D
 
Cobra said:
I hardly ever watch it, TBH far too much crap on there these days. ( for some years now)
My circa 8 year old curry's "special" still works, blue rays look good, and I can easily find far more things to waste my money on :D
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LOL So can I. Was in the dealer this morning to get a TPMS valve fixed, ended up booking a test drive. :)
 
Cobra said:
I hardly ever watch it, TBH far too much crap on there these days. ( for some years now)
My circa 8 year old curry's "special" still works, blue rays look good, and I can easily find far more things to waste my money on :D
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Some people are quite shocked when they see how good blu ray etc can look on a tv that is properly set up.But if it ain't for you maybe just try the basic settings in the AVF video link.
 
Barry L. said:
.But if it ain't for you maybe just try the basic settings in the AVF video link.
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I just let the TV screen decide with the auto settings, works for me :thumbs:
 
Cobra said:
I just let the TV screen decide with the auto settings, works for me (y)
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As i say it's not for everyone, but being interested in photography i think most have an eye for detail. Most TV,s in Auto will be blowing out whites, crushing blacks and colour will be oversaturated. But it is your tv and if you are happy that is all that counts.
 
Barry L. said:
As i say it's not for everyone, but being interested in photography i think most have an eye for detail. Most TV,s in Auto will be blowing out whites, crushing blacks and colour will be oversaturated.
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Thankfully none of that applies :)
 
Barry L. said:
Without the use of calibration patterns you have no way of knowing this.
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Oh come on, as a photographer, don't we know when whites are blown, colours are oversaturate and the blacks look black enough to me.
 
Not on a TV screen as you are viewing something produced for you if that makes sense. You don't know basically what should be visible and what should not as you have no point of reference. I am willing to bet if you put a say Brightness test pattern on your TV it will be a mile out.

There is a level of black (video black) and white that has more or less set values that directors etc adhere to, so going by guessing alone will be far from the intended look and the detail in a scene that was supposed to be seen (or not seen) will not be accurate. Many other parts of the calibration process will also influence this, adjusting contrast, colour, greyscale will all have an impact.

Here is a short list of things that will also improve your viewing experience:

Set viewing mode to Cinema/Theater for the most accurate preset

Turn off all digital enhancements (intelligent frame creation, noise reduction etc)

Use a calibration disc or the free download i linked to earlier.

Set gamma (if available) to about 2.4 again though this should really be set with a meter.

Set sharpness to zero or it's lowest setting for HD material, maybe a few clicks for SD.

If you are viewing LCD try some ambient lighting behind the TV something that will give off a D65 colour temp. this will improve contrast and perceived black levels.

Hope this helps anyone interested. Let me know what you think?:)

Strange thing though everyone who commented yesterday has disappeared.:exit:
 
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Barry L. said:
:)

Strange thing though everyone who commented yesterday has disappeared.:exit:
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Not everyone.
The waffling makes me chuckle still. :ROFLMAO:
 
Barry L. said:
Waffle in which way.........you mean the kind you don't understand, or just that you are uninterested.
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That I am uninterested doesn't mean I don't understand. :-)
 
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