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been listening to a few speeches by Donald trump over the last few days ,and I am starting to like what he's saying a lot of it is pure patriotism and common sense ,any one else feel the same I even think he might make the White House yet
 
Trump is the last hope of humanity to avoid WW3 and the New World Order (TTIP and s*** like that being above sovereign governments). Like him or not he is a must for the one-off clean up of the US politics
 
the black fox said:
been listening to a few speeches by Donald trump over the last few days ,and I am starting to like what he's saying a lot of it is pure patriotism and common sense ,any one else feel the same I even think he might make the White House yet
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He shows the traits of a typical school bully. He is ignorant and xenophobic.
 
The23rdman said:
Seriously, is this a joke thread?
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No more than any other political thread on here at times.

Right wing views are increasing, but it's what the terrorist want, to make people afraid. Some politicians seize on this and use it in an attempt to get into power. Happened in France, uk to an extent, now the US.
The scarey thing in the US is that theres several people with these extreme views that they see as normal. Take gun control, in response to Obahma trying to introduce it, texas pass a law for open carry holstered weapons on the belt. Having travelled a lot through the US, it's scarey at times the views some take.

Same old story, they come here, take our jobs etc, yet they do jobs which others won't do, mostl;y in the service industry. Us has a huge number of foreign trained nurses as we do.

Trouble is, the US finally got a President whos got modern views, sees the best of the world and wants the US to have the same, but the US insist on being 50 years behind most other countries n social reforms.
 
As I said I have viewed a few of his speeches or at least snippets of them recently ,and while not to everyone's taste ,he certainly makes more sense than some of the alternatives ,I think Obama has in general been bad for America and done little to keep the worlds bad boys in check .we need a strong USA to safeguard our own freedom ,let's not forget that without them we would not be living in a free u.k .
While Obama may have been the best president for certain sections of there citizens his general lack of willingness to intervene abroad has made it easier for others to get away with atrocities .
Yes I called this thread trumping but is it gonna be just hot wind ,or a bad smell or will he be the wind that blows away the cobwebs ?
 
Byker28i said:
No more than any other political thread on here at times.

Right wing views are increasing, but it's what the terrorist want, to make people afraid. Some politicians seize on this and use it in an attempt to get into power. Happened in France, uk to an extent, now the US.
The scarey thing in the US is that theres several people with these extreme views that they see as normal. Take gun control, in response to Obahma trying to introduce it, texas pass a law for open carry holstered weapons on the belt. Having travelled a lot through the US, it's scarey at times the views some take.

Same old story, they come here, take our jobs etc, yet they do jobs which others won't do, mostl;y in the service industry. Us has a huge number of foreign trained nurses as we do.

Trouble is, the US finally got a President whos got modern views, sees the best of the world and wants the US to have the same, but the US insist on being 50 years behind most other countries n social reforms.
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Yes exactly the terrorists are trying to foster hate against Muslims so that more join their cause
Of course the large majority of Muslims hate IS as much as we do
 
the black fox said:
been listening to a few speeches by Donald trump over the last few days ,and I am starting to like what he's saying a lot of it is pure patriotism and common sense ,any one else feel the same I even think he might make the White House yet
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I wouldn't be surprised if he does. But he is not doing it for the good of the nation. I think his motives are purely selfish and he is just looking to give the people what they want.

Then again aren't all politicians? So if anything, he is just a reflection of the public.
 
The problem I have with Trump is that the main motivation for him is personal success. He's nowhere near altruistic enough to be a good president.

Obama is toothless due to the political stalemate for passing legislation, and he just seems to be coasting really.

Trump's views are repugnant to most of us, but America is much further to the right than here - we're pretty centre ground on the most part whereas the "left" in the US thinks more like a "wet" Conservative voter.
 
There's a lot of trumping at this time of year. I think it's the sprouts.
 
I had a good old trump this morning.... the smell though.....
 
the black fox said:
As I said I have viewed a few of his speeches or at least snippets of them recently ,and while not to everyone's taste ,he certainly makes more sense than some of the alternatives ,I think Obama has in general been bad for America and done little to keep the worlds bad boys in check .we need a strong USA to safeguard our own freedom ,let's not forget that without them we would not be living in a free u.k .
While Obama may have been the best president for certain sections of there citizens his general lack of willingness to intervene abroad has made it easier for others to get away with atrocities .
Yes I called this thread trumping but is it gonna be just hot wind ,or a bad smell or will he be the wind that blows away the cobwebs ?
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Re: While Obama may have been the best president for certain sections of there citizens Do you have american links as Obahma's healthcare reforms, one of the best things to happen to the US has been heavily criticised by certian sections of the population due to the cost to them in taxes, which actually is minimal. Yet go to a hospital and a days stay with minimal medicines costs tens of thousands of dollars, even a relatively simple casualty visit can cost that much, rediculous for such a rich, developed country.

Personally I think Obahma has been the best thing for the US for years.
Re: his general lack of willingness to intervene abroad he brought the troops out of afganistan, which is what the US people wanted, got Bin Laden in a daring raid, didn't involve the US in other pointless wars. Trouble is, historically the US have dabbled and interfered in the background, supporting various factions, then stepped in a little gun ho at times without any thought to afterwards. If we (the US and Europe) put as much effort into replacing & improving the infrastructure as we did to distroying it, then we wouldn't have so many issues as we do now. If everyone is living comfortably, there's little support for those trying to change through conflict.

Re: let's not forget that without them we would not be living in a free u.k .
Ok this makes me think you're american as I heard this a lot when travelling this year, with recent conflicts and harking back to WW2. Yes the US helped us out, but at a cost which we only finished paying for in 2006. Iraq - has been proven we really didnt need to go into that, the threat was unreal and hyped up by the hawks in the US and realistically our lack of plannign for after the conflicts left a huge void to enable factions such as ISIS to evolve and gain support.

The avarage US citizen isn't very worldly, hasn't travelled and views 'strangers' or other races/religions with suspicion. They gave a habit of trying to make everywhere they go in the world like america rather than embrace the local traditions and beliefs (or at least learning about them).

Trump will set back the US progress years
 
Ricardodaforce said:
America's intervening abroad is what has made the world so dangerous.
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Not saying they are perfect by any means, but do you actually believe that statement?

Without their intervention, or threat thereof, we would be living in an even less stable world atm.
 
To be fair I think its our and the EU's complete inability to act on our own borders in Libya, Syria thats caused much of the current problems in the Middle East.

Iraq was a poor start and looking back its laughable that we intervened, Hussein might have been a dictator but can anyone say that the current situation there is preferable?
 
Boris and Trump must be brothers, they talk the same amount of crap at times
I get a laugh at both of them, but they are very dangerous
We as people (I don't) keep voting in people who show contempt to the working folk, poor, weak, Sick, immigrants, anyone not from public school background and then moan that they don't seem to care so I wouldn't be surprised if the yanks vote him in.
Maybe Mother Earth has developed a mutant hair gene with the aim being to self destruct humanity :D
 
BruceMo said:
Boris and Trump must be brothers, they talk the same amount of crap at times
I get a laugh at both of them, but they are very dangerous
We as people (I don't) keep voting in people who show contempt to the working folk, poor, weak, Sick, immigrants, anyone not from public school background and then moan that they don't seem to care so I wouldn't be surprised if the yanks vote him in.
Maybe Mother Earth has developed a mutant hair gene with the aim being to self destruct humanity :D
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Oh the irony :) love it.
 
I don't seriously expect Trump to be nominated, its almost a similar situation to the Labour Party over here, the actual politicians don't want to be near him but the supporters do, if he's leading going into the convention (and not won) I'd expect to see some sort of back-room deal done to keep him off the ticket maybe someone like Paul Ryan maybe thrown in at the end.

We shouldn't be too surprised that we're seeing a difference to the "norm" in a US Presidential Campaign, for the last 3 years in Europe we've seen very unusual election results and people getting elected who were never expected (for example in Greece and Spain), however I expect Trump even if he wins the nomination will struggle to convince enough Democrats and non-aligned voters to get him over the magic number.

Frankly Clinton doesn't fill me with any confidence but at least she isn't Trump.... its terrible looking back and thinking maybe (Iraq aside) George W wasn't that bad...
 
Trump is both an Isolationist and Jingoist. A poisonous and complex mix, more suited to a dictatorship.
 
rjbell said:
I must admit I haven't heard any speeches just read the articles. He sounds like a fascist to me.
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I suggest you listen to him first hand because a lot of mainstream media (owned by supporters of other candidates) are dead against him and will misquote him to make him look evil
 
StewartR said:
I'm willing to bet you can't define "fascist".
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Stop me if any of this doesn't sound like Trump..
  • Radical
  • Authoritarian/totalitarian
  • Nationalist
  • Opposed to liberalism, Marxism and anarchism
  • Far right
  • Militaristic
  • Dictatorial
  • Regards political violence,war and imperialism as a means of achieving national rejuvenation
  • Favours protectionist and interventionist economic policies
I think that's pretty ****ing close. Don't you?
 
Byker28i said:
No more than any other political thread on here at times.

Right wing views are increasing, but it's what the terrorist want, to make people afraid. Some politicians seize on this and use it in an attempt to get into power. Happened in France, uk to an extent, now the US.
The scarey thing in the US is that theres several people with these extreme views that they see as normal. Take gun control, in response to Obahma trying to introduce it, texas pass a law for open carry holstered weapons on the belt. Having travelled a lot through the US, it's scarey at times the views some take.

Same old story, they come here, take our jobs etc, yet they do jobs which others won't do, mostl;y in the service industry. Us has a huge number of foreign trained nurses as we do.

Trouble is, the US finally got a President whos got modern views, sees the best of the world and wants the US to have the same, but the US insist on being 50 years behind most other countries n social reforms.
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Try thinking outside of the box. We live in European ruled by socialists and naturally any other way might appear strange particularly when leftist media is screaming about it.
Trump needs to happen not just because of jihadists. Think bigger. He just named the cause of Isis. There is a big political war to be won.
Gun control laws and Texas response by the way are mainly about assaults on constitution via unlawful executive orders. Would you be happy if your freedoms were all taken away over several years?
Over here we can't even organise a normal protest without a series of special permissions. Let that to sink in for a moment
 
LongLensPhotography said:
I suggest you listen to him first hand because a lot of mainstream media (owned by supporters of other candidates) are dead against him and will misquote him to make him look evil
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Like trump denying he said things that were on his own website?
How about shutting Mosques
View: https://youtu.be/B60zJEp4phA


Or how about a database to register all Muslims?
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/201...d-certainly-implement-muslim-database-n466716

He's not misquoted, he opens his mouth, says a lot of things, then backtracks when he goes too far
 
Alastair said:
Stop me if any of this doesn't sound like Trump..
  • Radical
  • Authoritarian/totalitarian
  • Nationalist
  • Opposed to liberalism, Marxism and anarchism
  • Far right
  • Militaristic
  • Dictatorial
  • Regards political violence,war and imperialism as a means of achieving national rejuvenation
  • Favours protectionist and interventionist economic policies
I think that's pretty ****ing close. Don't you?
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No he is not dictatorial but he is certainly opposed to anarchism, Marxism. And that is the best thing about him because Marxism is pure evil. The death toll of Marxist victims probably exceeds a billion.
 
Byker28i said:
Like trump denying he said things that were on his own website?
How about shutting Mosques
View: https://youtu.be/B60zJEp4phA


Or how about a database to register all Muslims?
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/201...d-certainly-implement-muslim-database-n466716

He's not misquoted, he opens his mouth, says a lot of things, then backtracks when he goes too far
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MSNBC... And that reporter. Have a free cookie :)

There have been a number of mosques shut down in EU recently. So what? The one preaching radical hatred must close like any other unlawful terrorist outlet. Muslims are not a special privilege group _ laws also apply to them too
 
LongLensPhotography said:
Try thinking outside of the box. We live in European ruled by socialists and naturally any other way might appear strange particularly when leftist media is screaming about it.
Trump needs to happen not just because of jihadists. Think bigger. He just named the cause of Isis. There is a big political war to be won.
Gun control laws and Texas response by the way are mainly about assaults on constitution via unlawful executive orders. Would you be happy if your freedoms were all taken away over several years?
Over here we can't even organise a normal protest without a series of special permissions. Let that to sink in for a moment
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The difference is, I'm widely travelled. I see how other countries react.

The cause of ISIS was the west, yes US, not bothering to fill the void of power we created in the middle east, nor deal with the aftermath of our destruction.

By law you have to inform the police 6 days before a protest if you're the organiser. https://www.gov.uk/protests-and-marches-letting-the-police-know
Something wrong with that? Thats so that the event can be policed, any roads shut, people informed - seems reasonable to me
 
LongLensPhotography said:
Try thinking outside of the box. We live in European ruled by socialists and naturally any other way might appear strange particularly when leftist media is screaming about it.
Trump needs to happen not just because of jihadists. Think bigger. He just named the cause of Isis. There is a big political war to be won.
Gun control laws and Texas response by the way are mainly about assaults on constitution via unlawful executive orders. Would you be happy if your freedoms were all taken away over several years?
Over here we can't even organise a normal protest without a series of special permissions. Let that to sink in for a moment
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I wouldn't mind a more socialist Britain and I think the media has more than shown it isn't left wing in its reporting of all things related to the labour leader
Imagine being Mexican and having that clown as a neighbour.
Trump makes me laugh and weep in equal measures but he always pretty much offends me just by existing
Your point about special permission is interesting, to me the right wing tories are doing their best to diminish workers rights to strike and generally support big business like trump avoid tax and exploit workers by reducing their rights. Thankfully those soft euro lot try and protect workers rights and working conditions among many others the tories would love to erase.
The right wing media would have you believe socialism and caring for others and the general good is daft and the lefties are all mental. To me people like trump and his supporters are nuts
 
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