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I've discovered this Dovestones reservoir and Saddleworth moors to the side of it. The place looks stunning for photography.

According to the everytrail website the elevation max is around 1600 feet, 9 miles and take around 4 hours to complete.

I've done walks for a whole day all over places like Lyme Park and always wore jeans, but on a average day I'm not sure what I would wear to this new place.

I have a Berghaus rain light rain jacket, but I only have jeans. Do I need to get some trousers, water proof trousers or what? I do have hi-tec walking boots which I am fine with. I don't own any base layers or fleeces either.

I'd rather travel when forecast with good weather, but of course that can change. I think Paramo are a bit too costly for me.

Any help would be grateful.
 
A pair of light preferably breathable over trousers is all you should need to keep you reasonably dry up untill mid to late autumn then temperature will become a real issue. When going on the moors away from paths it is allways best to let someone know where you are going and when you expect to be back don't know about mobile phone coverage but expect it is probably OK so take one with you. All reasonable common sense stuff really.
 
Oh and the moors are a great place with the winter snows.
 
As an ex scout leader I would never advocate wearing jeans for any kind of walking/trekking. They are the worst thing you can wear. They retain any body moisture and if any from of wet weather comes in they are the worst material for retaining the water which then of course has no release form your skin and you just get wet through. I would never advocate wearing a waterproof over trouser over jeans, that will just make you sweat even more as your body just can not breathe.

A pair of craghoppers/regatta etc pair of trousers will serve you far better and are not that expensive if you shop around.
 
SNG60007 said:
As an ex scout leader I would never advocate wearing jeans for any kind of walking/trekking. They are the worst thing you can wear. They retain any body moisture and if any from of wet weather comes in they are the worst material for retaining the water which then of course has no release form your skin and you just get wet through. I would never advocate wearing a waterproof over trouser over jeans, that will just make you sweat even more as your body just can not breathe.

A pair of craghoppers/regatta etc pair of trousers will serve you far better and are not that expensive if you shop around.
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If you want normal trousers to wear, try cords as they are a lot warmer than jeans, and breathable. Or as Nigel has suggested some walking trousers for the purpose.

K
 
Craghoppers are a good choice for trousers - as others have mentioned.
Lightweight and not mega-expensive (about £35).
 
:plusone: for the craghoppers, try TK Max think they have them in at time to time for £20, or there's always Go Outdoors around the corner from you.

Even if the forcast is good it can been cold on the moors due to the wind so make sure you take a few layers (even a few tshirts).
 
SNG60007 said:
As an ex scout leader I would never advocate wearing jeans for any kind of walking/trekking. They are the worst thing you can wear. They retain any body moisture and if any from of wet weather comes in they are the worst material for retaining the water which then of course has no release form your skin and you just get wet through. I would never advocate wearing a waterproof over trouser over jeans, that will just make you sweat even more as your body just can not breathe.

A pair of craghoppers/regatta etc pair of trousers will serve you far better and are not that expensive if you shop around.
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I could not agree more.

I have several pairs of craghoppers and i have never paid over £20 for them.
Ebay, Debenhams blue cross sales, TK Maxx or hiking shops on sale.
 
You will love it there! It's almost my second home. I have trod every blade of grass round and up there! In fact I was there on Wednesday! (well, up on Pots n Pans opposite)
Have a look HERE and yes, that is me that wrote and submitted the walk!

I presume that you will be going on the edges, if so, it should not be taken lightly. As said before, jeans are a no no! A pair of cheap Regatta trousers (polycotton or polyester) will be fine and at least a windproof/showerproof jacket for summer!
We have seen Kestrels, Buzzards, Perigrines, a Hobby, Owls, Stoats, Weasels, well you get the picture! (I hope!)
I have even been down several of the potholes/caves that abound in the area.
The sceenery from the edges is superb, if you go on the Oldham way to the west of the reservoirs, there is a magnificant view right up the valley.
If you want any more info on the area, please do not hesitate to ask!
 
SNG60007 said:
As an ex scout leader I would never advocate wearing jeans for any kind of walking/trekking. They are the worst thing you can wear. They retain any body moisture and if any from of wet weather comes in they are the worst material for retaining the water which then of course has no release form your skin and you just get wet through. I would never advocate wearing a waterproof over trouser over jeans, that will just make you sweat even more as your body just can not breathe.

A pair of craghoppers/regatta etc pair of trousers will serve you far better and are not that expensive if you shop around.
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:agree:
Shorts'd be better than jeans. Plenty of choices in terms of quick-dry fabrics and/or waterproofs. My advice would be to prepare for driving horizontal rain. That way when it does rain - and it will - you're prepared.
 
I have the Craghoppers Kewi range, both unlined for decent weather and the lined ones for when the nasty stuff kicks in. Kept me nicely comfortable going over Pen-y-ghent this past new years day in what could be described as artic conditions.

Well worth paying the money for as the are nice to wear and with the sloar dry material, dry really quickly if you do get wet!
 
Go camping out towards Didsbury have a sale on at the moment, just got myself my winter togging jacket :)
 
Jon

Get yourself yo Decathlon stockport and buy some lightweight trousers and a thin fleece.

Then all you need is T shirt thin waterproof, chocolate, mobile, torch and tinfoil blanket

just got myself my winter togging jacket
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you aint training hard enough if you need a jacket :lol:
 
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dcash29 said:
Jon

you aint training hard enough if you need a jacket :lol:
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lol, Trust me, I have low blood pressure so I need a jacket (or three) to keep even remotely warm! I freeze in the winter and I hate it. :razz:
 
lol pull all you like, it was up to my hip in a Scottish bog on Thursday ;)

Had to wash my trousers twice to get all the muck out!
 
Oh I did it wrong all right! Stepping quite gingerly on the tufts of heather I only needed to go about 20 yards to get to where I needed to be. Tip toe, tip toe, sploosh! As my left leg went it my left hand oddly made an equal and opposite movement which deposited my camera safely on dry land. Made a right mess. Thankfully I was in the camper so I only had to walk 20 yards back to get washed up. Minging does not even come close!
 
SNG60007 said:
As an ex scout leader I would never advocate wearing jeans for any kind of walking/trekking. They are the worst thing you can wear. They retain any body moisture and if any from of wet weather comes in they are the worst material for retaining the water which then of course has no release form your skin and you just get wet through. I would never advocate wearing a waterproof over trouser over jeans, that will just make you sweat even more as your body just can not breathe.

A pair of craghoppers/regatta etc pair of trousers will serve you far better and are not that expensive if you shop around.
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All very good but times they have been a changing:
epic rainproof jeans
So far they appear to be great.
 
They are still made of denim, and they are 'not 100% waterproof' so still next to useless as outdoor trousers i'm afraid. Jeans can treble in weight when wet and take hours to dry, inviting hypothermia and severe discomfort. Compare to lightweight walking trousers that take minutes to dry and are windproof to boot.
Yes you can kit yourself out reasonably cheaply these days, but the old addage (seen on here many times) you get what you pay for/buy cheap buy twice!
My Paramo gear gives me years of trouble free wear and protection, and I can honestly say I have NEVER got wet through my jacket or trousers.
How many can say that about wet weather gear.
 
wontolla said:
.....My Paramo gear gives me years of trouble free wear and protection, and I can honestly say I have NEVER got wet through my jacket or trousers.
How many can say that about wet weather gear.
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My Berghaus XCR has never let me down although its getting a wee bit old now.


I agree that if you buy something good it will last and not let you down. Perhaps it's just us old ex scouters that learned the hard way.:D
 
Can't disagree with that! :thumbs:
 
Go-Outdoors, Sports Direct or Decathlon will sort you out with some cheap lightweight walking trousers (or any outdoor gear for that matter!)
All of these outlets are cheap but stock good quality stuff. Get yourself down there and get kitted out, especially if you're heading up onto Saddleworth, the conditions can change instantly up there!!!

Paul
 
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That worked, thanks m8. Looks a cracking walk. Might try that one with my son-in-law when next I'm up. They live in Whitefield.
 
zeugma said:
That worked, thanks m8. Looks a cracking walk. Might try that one with my son-in-law when next I'm up. They live in Whitefield.
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Just a mile away from me! (Heaton Park)
Going back to Dovestones in a couple of weeks with a couple of mates. Doing the full walk as I have to check them occasionaly for any changes.
It will be on a Wednesday!

For some (old) pics of Dovestone and edges, have a look at these. (they were taken a long time ogo!)

Balancing Stone

The Trinacle

Me on the Trinacle

Dovestone Res from Edges

Dovestone Res from Oldham Way
 
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They are still made of denim, and they are 'not 100% waterproof' so still next to useless as outdoor trousers i'm afraid. Jeans can treble in weight when wet and take hours to dry, inviting hypothermia and severe discomfort. Compare to lightweight walking trousers that take minutes to dry and are windproof to boot.
Yes you can kit yourself out reasonably cheaply these days, but the old addage (seen on here many times) you get what you pay for/buy cheap buy twice!
My Paramo gear gives me years of trouble free wear and protection, and I can honestly say I have NEVER got wet through my jacket or trousers.
How many can say that about wet weather gear.
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hmm well pretty sure they are not real denim. They are pretty light too.

I do have proper waterproof kit for winter mountaineering and would not worry about wearing these out on the moors. I would never wear normal jeans though.

Alpkit stuff does tend to be pretty brilliant if a bit basic. I have had one of their down jackets for years and is better than the ME I have by a long way.
The little waterproof rucksacks are pretty good too not got anything wet in one of them yet either!


Even with good kit it does wear out. I got 6 years out of my last gortex before it started leaking very badly as it had worn through at the shoulders. It does see a lot of use though.
The paramo kit is good but i find it too sweaty and heavy.
 
mountainpenguin said:
......The paramo kit is good but i find it too sweaty and heavy.
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Interesting. Very useful to gain another person's perspective on kit.
I've often considered a Paramo jacket although, to be truthful, I think I may have fallen victim to gear lust - aka L glass.
Horses for courses though, I guess :thinking:
 
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hmm well pretty sure they are not real denim. They are pretty light too.
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I was quoting the product description and it states 'denim' 'denim fibres' 'Not 100% waterproof' 'showerproof' and, worse of all, 'may be uncomforable for a short period until you hit the cafe'
Sorry, you can wear them in the hills if you wish but I would not and I wouldn't reccomend anyone else does!
 
A good place online is http://www.regattaoutlet.co.uk

I got a pair of the showerproof quick drying Atlanta trousers - good for those inbetweeny windy showery days and then supplement them with some waterproof overtousers if needed. Also had a waterproof jacket and a fleece off this site. They are lined so probably a bit too warm for summer use.

The answer is 2-3 light layers that you can carry or wear as divctated by the conditions if thats not too much teaching Granny to suck eggs.

Paul
 
Thanks for replies.

I've ordered various things from Craghoppers trousers, fleeces and base layers. Only thing I need now is a good coat!

I've looked at these:
- Berghaus Mera Peak
- Berghaus Yala Peak
- Rab Lotok Alpine
- Paramo Alta 2

I have no idea which.

Obviously has to perform well and be fine with a backpack on my back that could be quite heavy. Not sure yet if I need to upgrade my Flipside 300 to something else for extra storage for things like food or trousers / coast. Perhaps a Tamrac I don't know. Would need side pockets or pouches for water bottle/flask and tripod holder.
 
jpwild said:
Thanks for replies.

I've ordered various things from Craghoppers trousers, fleeces and base layers. Only thing I need now is a good coat!

I've looked at these:
- Berghaus Mera Peak
- Berghaus Yala Peak
- Rab Lotok Alpine
- Paramo Alta 2

I have no idea which.

Obviously has to perform well and be fine with a backpack on my back that could be quite heavy. Not sure yet if I need to upgrade my Flipside 300 to something else for extra storage for things like food or trousers / coast. Perhaps a Tamrac I don't know. Would need side pockets or pouches for water bottle/flask and tripod holder.
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Paramo Alta 2 or Rab Lotok Alpine, in that order.
Paramo handles chafing from rucksacks well, as does the Rab. In my experience, Berghaus does not. Does the Flipside have a laptop section? not sure, My Fastpack does, and I can get an almost full 2ltr hydration bladder in!
 
jpwild said:
Thanks for replies.

I've ordered various things from Craghoppers trousers, fleeces and base layers. Only thing I need now is a good coat!

I've looked at these:
- Berghaus Mera Peak
- Berghaus Yala Peak
- Rab Lotok Alpine
- Paramo Alta 2

I have no idea which.

Obviously has to perform well and be fine with a backpack on my back that could be quite heavy. Not sure yet if I need to upgrade my Flipside 300 to something else for extra storage for things like food or trousers / coast. Perhaps a Tamrac I don't know. Would need side pockets or pouches for water bottle/flask and tripod holder.
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Dunno if you've decided / ordered - or what size you are, but...
http://www.hillanddaleoutdoors.co.uk/detail/?CatId=1&CatType=1&CatName=Mens Clothing&ProdId=838
May be of interest to you.
 
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