TPF-1 Resurection

This one will run and run.
Awkward if some people who didn't make it back onto here go to TPF1 and wonder where everyone has got to...
I suppose it's all gone too far to put differences behind us and re-integrate the two sites?
 
official reply coming soon.
 
Internet forums can be a great thing and I think it's fair to say that we all really missed the community here when it went but for me the real bottom line and by far the saddest part is summed up in this piece.

people that started off as friends are now enemies.
 
All I'm going to say on a personal level, is that I told Steve he should go when he specifically PM'd me to see if I agreed with the joint decision. I also told him I'd stand down as a mod if he stayed, but that I had no intention of leaving the board as long as there was the nucleus of regular and good humoured contributors which we have. I did suggest to him that he could do the same... stay on as a member. His response was to shut down the board immediately after my reply.

Steve is a sad loss in many respects, he was indeed a founder member of the board, and his photographic ability isn't in question - he brought a lot to the board in terms of experience and enthusiasm, but it was his inter-personal skills which left a lot to be desired, with regular bust ups in the mod's room. His dispute with Matt is simply nothing to do with the board whatsoever and should never have had the impact it did. Matt is Steve's oldest friend among the staff and the way Matt was summarily dismissed from mod status was vindictive in the extreme. It didn't give anyone else any warm fuzzy feelings of security either, not that I give a toss about being a mod, in fact I sometimes wish I wasn't... I'm interested in photography and I don't get off on political intrique.

I wish Steve well in whatever he does, but he responded to a simple disagreement with a kneejerk reaction typical of him, and he only has himself to blame for subsequent developments.
 
Nicely put CT

None of the bust up was to do with me, so im not saying anything ! :shrug:

Im just glad we have a forum for our interest that has a good friendly helpful bunch (mostly :thinking: ) posting on it ! :thumbs:
 
IanC_UK said:
Im just glad we have a forum for our interest that has a good friendly helpful bunch (mostly :thinking: ) posting on it ! :thumbs:

Word! :thumbs: This forum is quite unique IMO, with a nice level of shared interest and advice, coupled with a bit of fun and an absence of resident swinging dicks jumping on every post which seems to be a problem with some photo forums. People get a level of advice and help here which I believe you'd struggle to find elsewhere, unselfishly given by a great group of members. :)

Here's to the future! :1st::beer:
 
I was almost buying that, until this:
Should anyone wish to return, the majority will be welcomed back.
Majority, eh? How lovely. How do we know if we're in the minority that won't be welcomed back?

My own personal opinion, is that everybody's settled here now. If somebody else wants to go off and set up a new photography forum, good for him. But poaching the users of an existing forum when it was his own hissyfit that caused it to happen, is bang out of order. In my opinion. ;)

Suppose we all went back over there now... and a certain someone decided to have another temper tantrum further down the line and just shut up shop at the drop of a hat. Then what? I think its enough to say that I, for one, am staying put.

Sure there's two sides to every story.... but didn't we all witness it first-hand?

Thanks, but no thanks TPF!
 
GfK said:
I was almost buying that, until this:
Majority, eh? How lovely. How do we know if we're in the minority that won't be welcomed back?

My own personal opinion, is that everybody's settled here now. If somebody else wants to go off and set up a new photography forum, good for him. But poaching the users of an existing forum when it was his own hissyfit that caused it to happen, is bang out of order. In my opinion. ;)

Suppose we all went back over there now... and a certain someone decided to have another temper tantrum further down the line and just shut up shop at the drop of a hat. Then what? I think its enough to say that I, for one, am staying put.

Sure there's two sides to every story.... but didn't we all witness it first-hand?

Thanks, but no thanks TPF!

Ditto...to the letter
 
once again thanks for the support chaps.

There are some inaccuracies in whats written there(grammatically too, but i cant talk, lol) but im not going into any detail until ive spoken with the whole team.
 
matty said:
once again thanks for the support chaps.

There are some inaccuracies in whats written there(grammatically too, but i cant talk, lol) but im not going into any detail until ive spoken with the whole team.
Personally I think you should just let it go. There's nothing to be gained from replying/reacting.
 
wise words!
 
I tend to agree with GfK too. I think we've been very restrained in what we've said here, so why get involved in a slanging match now? :)
 
GfK said:
Personally I think you should just let it go. There's nothing to be gained from replying/reacting.

Me to just let it be, lets move on and upwards and let the bad water pass and drain away.
 
CT said:
I tend to agree with GfK too. I think we've been very restrained in what we've said here, so why get involved in a slanging match now? :)


It's sooo not worth it. Who really cares if we have the great community we have over here. The fact that it keeps being brought up though tells me that when the forums do open up over there, people will wander over for a peak. There are two sides and nobody needs convincing otherwise, that is a given. Plenty of room on the net for both forums. Let it go folks.

I should tell you all though, your all stuck with me from here on out!!!!LOL :p :D :)
 
jewel said:
I should tell you all though, your all stuck with me from here on out!!!!LOL :p :D :)

Damn!! :bang:

;)
 
GfK said:
Thanks, but no thanks TPF!

Sorry ... is that TPF ... or ... TPF ??? :thinking: :lol:

Anyway ... I was away when it all broke and quite pleased I was, by all accounts. :eek:

A sorry mess it may have been but as has already been said - let's move on chaps & chapesses ! Photography is the (main (?)) reason we are all here ... whether it is to learn :bat: or to teach :notworthy: or moderate :nono: or any permutation you care to make ! ;)

We all ended up here so I suppose we might as well stay now ... :sulk: :naughty:

Rock on TPF ... :p
 
I've been wandering what has been going on. Haven't get a chance to check the forums for about a month or so and then for the last couple of weeks just see a sign saying forums closed. I have not had access to the email account I signed up with so missed details of the change.

It is sad to see ppl fall out but is good to see that the community still seems to be going.

IMO it doesn't matter what the forum is called or who is running it, it is the ppl who partake in the forums that make it what it is.
 
Well seeing as all the facts are still not fully known I won't take sides. Needless to say I hope Steve's site is a success after the efforts he put in on TPF & just hope the 2 sites can live side by side. End of subject from me.
 
DJW said:
Well seeing as all the facts are still not fully known I won't take sides. Needless to say I hope Steve's site is a success after the efforts he put in on TPF & just hope the 2 sites can live side by side. End of subject from me.


Your a good man! ;)
 
This has been bugging me and i have a couple of questions (if its ok to ask them) , as i dont want to get banned again......:thinking:


if steve wanted to talk about it with the others, why did he close the site and restrict their access?


did any of the 'team' email him at all?

why did he delete all his pictures from the gallery?

did he pay for the host or was it split between the 'staff'

If he offered to resign, why did he get all upset when they asked him to go?


 
Steve paid for the first years hosting. With the increase in membership placing more call on resources, the next lot of hosting was funded by myself and at least two other members of staff with Steve not being asked to contribute.
 
lol @ banned again..

answers in Red...

MyPix said:
if steve wanted to talk about it with the others, why did he close the site and restrict their access?
No idea



did any of the 'team' email him at all?
Yes i did, though i was probably very rude as i was annoyed. All the staff are on msn, he could easily have got us on there.

why did he delete all his pictures from the gallery?
no idea


did he pay for the host or was it split between the 'staff'
the staff all chipped in for this year, steve insisted on paying for the first year despite being offered money, but we insisted that as OUR site it wasnt fair on him to pay. The gallery was being paid for by me.

If he offered to resign, why did he get all upset when they asked him to go?
No idea


 
If steve wanted to talk about it with the others, why did he close the site and restrict their access?
Exercising his authority - showing the others who the boss is.
why did he delete all his pictures from the gallery?
Its called "taking your ball home".
If he offered to resign, why did he get all upset when they asked him to go?
I'd hazard a guess that offering to resign was an attempt to get the others to beg him to stay. When they went completely the opposite way, thats when the proverbial "wobbler" was thrown.

Seen it all before.
 
OT: mypix is mypix again, not nopix, did you find your pix mypix? :thinking:
 
noah said:
OT: mypix is mypix again, not nopix, did you find your pix mypix? :thinking:


i found ' my-pix' but have now lost my marbles..........:thinking:

Mr NoPix also got banned and had his account closed, lol , so i got banned twice........cool:thumbs:

MyPix
 
hmm,

clears a few things up i suppose....

thanx for the enlightenment chaps

MyPix
 
As Steve has tried to push some of the blame onto me about
his actions, I'd just like to clear a few things up.

Steve was a friend of mine for a good 8 years or so,
and I was very suprised at his response toward me.
He accused me of something which may be available for public
viewing, going from his statement on 'His' website.
I will not publicly go into it, unless I am forced to defend myself.
By his own actions, he didn't want this issue to be resolved.

Matt resigning from the team was due to a disagreement
he and I had over something I am not prepared to go public
with at this time. In my view it was a trust issue and
although his actions were taken away from the forums, it
still reflected on his position as a moderator, and the
access he had to information at TPF.

First point I would like to make is about 'TRUST'.
Steve betrayed my trust when he posted my PM's in an admin
thread. This was before trying to resolve an issue that he'd
blown out of proportion.
The admin team all knew what was going on (CT was an
exception), before He attempted to speak to me.

The disagreement did not reflect on my position as a moderator.

I had no more access to information than you the members.

Thats all I'm going to say on the matter.
 
TPF was, from the start, supposed to be a site without one sole person in control. Instead a team of four administrators within an equal four-way partnership, everything being voted on by the four, and majority rule dictating the outcome. Throughout the past year, there have been accusations (mainly by Marcel) of Steve trying to keep 'top dog' control of the forums and accounts, to which Steve vehemently denied and repeatedly insisted that we were all of equal standpoint. The only thing different was that his name was on the bill, purely because 'someone's has to be'.

As a team (also including CT), we felt concerned over Steve's attitude, both in the public forums towards members, and also in private towards the rest of the team. We felt it was damaging the forums, and thus collectively asked him to re-evaluate his position and step down. This was something he had told us on a number of occasions, that he was willingly happy to do, if so required.
Within a few hours of us asking him, instead of responding to our private thread politely, he :
  • Removed Matty and Marcel's admin status
  • Changed the hosting password, so we could not get in
  • Deleted our @thephotographyforums.com email accounts
  • Deleted our FTP accounts
  • Logged into the gallery and deleted his own photos&gallery (He didn't have control panel access to the gallery)
  • Closed the forums

With no comment, or explanation, or contact with us. All we had done was ask him to step down.

Therefore we felt we had no choice, but to set up our new home, under a new name.
Contrary to what Steve states, the hosting account was never solely his to exclude us from. Although he was named on the paperwork (because, and I quote: 'someone has to be'), we were all supposed to be equal, as per the original TPF ethos, with equal access rights, and equal say, with a majority rule.

We're not going to nitpick at what he's posted, nor are we going to get in a tit for tat fight over it, there's not much point.
Therefore we're not going to bandy about with the ins and outs of what's happened. We know you lot aren't that bothered, and surely don't want this to saturate your forums. So we won't be going into a great amount of detail here.
If, however, anyone wants a detailed account from our side of the fence, then please feel free to Contact Us, and we'll be happy to explain things, or even respond to any questions you may have. We're more mature than public mud-slinging and tittle tattle, but we do wish to be open and honest, wherever any members want us to be. We honestly don't mind at all.

As a final note, Steve was indeed a friend of all of ours (mine included) and for him to call us 'enemies' is quite OTT, but if that's how he feels then we cannot change that.
We personally don't consider him an enemy. We don't consider him a friend, as at least two of us used to, as that trust has now been severed by his selfish actions.
However, we bear no grudges and if he wishes to reopen TPF then he will do so. We think the internet is big enough for the two of us to co exist.
While he considers us 'enemies', we certainly do not reciprocate that thought, and he is welcome to rejoin these forums as a member, should he so wish.
Everyone is welcome here, regardless of wherever they may also be members. We bear no malice or ill will towards anyone.

We simply want a harmonious, happy, peaceful forum, on which we can all do what we like doing best, and that's Talking Photography. We don't want spats like this to be in everyones face all the time, and we're sure you, the members, don't want that either.

All the team, will do their utmost to keep this forum the happy, harmonious and friendly forum that it has grown into, and we certainly won't let anyone spoil what YOU, the members, have strived to create. While we may have done the technical work to get it up and running...a forum is nothing without it's members, and for that, the remaining 5 of us thankyou wholeheartedly, whichever forum you choose to reside on.

Yours

The Talk Photography staff team.
 
PS. We love you all.

Now gizza group hug.....:hug: :crowded: :love:
 
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