Totally Shocking

[Deleted member 89409]

why on earth would you wear a face covering outdoors?

Are you really serious ?? All you need is to be in range of someone who is harbouring the virus - breathing, talking - not even sneezing or coughing - with the breeze in the wrong direction.....

 

[Mr Bump]

why on earth would you wear a face covering outdoors?

to avoid the stench of the common people?

 

[Craig1912]

The reason for the meeting doesn't matter. We are in a pandemic. The police were right to act in exactly the same way as they would breaking up any gathering. Gatherings regardless of whether it is a rave, or a vigil are illegal.

But they need to be consistent- kneeling to BLM protesters, standing aside when statues were torn down and encouraging a huge crowd on Westminster Bridge to clap for the NHS- all examples when the virus was far more prevalent.

 

[Fuji Dave]

why on earth would you wear a face covering outdoors?

I will answer this for ME and ME only, every time I step foot out of our flat I have a mask on, so every day when I'm out in the nice fresh air I have a mask on. I do not see many other folk wearing a mask when out and about and that's their choice, my choice is I want to make sure I'm safe and protect others and my self from those who don't wear one. As it might be harder to catch the virus out in fresh air, but for ME I still play it safe. That is why I for ME a mask will stay on.

 

[Mr Bump]

I don't wear a mask outdoors either, but then again i also steer clear of people outside as well. I don't stop and talk to folk unless there is a good 3-4 metres clear.
i'm ok with people wearing a mask though if it makes them feel safer, my wife who is a dental hygienist says most of the masks people are wearing won't stop anything in or out of there mouth or nose, the silly ones made of cloth or the even sillier ones with the made up exhaust valves.

 

[woof woof]

I've just read a female officers account of what went on at the vigil / protest. If what she's reporting is true it puts a whole new perspective on what happened.

 

[Fuji Dave]

I've just read a female officers account of what went on at the vigil / protest. If what she's reporting is true it puts a whole new perspective on what happened.

Would you care to enlighten us; provide a link, or at least say where you read the report.

If anything I'd say 100s of very angry and upset women getting right in the police faces shouting, then told to move on and arrested when not told/asked too

 

[Jelster]

But whatever the rights or wrongs of the vigil. Whether it was legal or not. Whether the organisers withdrew from the event or not. The police should have stayed on the sidelines, let the women hold the vigil, and then made sure that the women got home safely.

If you are breaking the law and you get told to move on by the police, and don't comply, you risk being arrested. Should you resist arrest, it will be done forcibly. They were all adults and knew what they were doing. When you safely arrest somebody who is resisting, it takes multiple officers, and they get you face down, on the ground, sometimes with an officer on each limb. That is done for the safety of the person being arrested. It may make for a great front page photo, but they are doing it correctly and safely.

I was once stopped by armed police while on a motorbike in London, weapons raised. I did exactly as they said and was handcuffed. After 10 minutes they realised that they had the wrong person and apologised. That's how the system works. For everybody's safety they put you in cuffs.

 

[Fuji Dave]

Come on Mr Reporter get my good side. Just watched a video showing arrests and you could tell the ones arrested PLAYED up for the reporters.

Sarah Everard: What went wrong at the Clapham vigil?

Maintaining public order at protests is one of the hardest jobs in modern policing.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[woof woof]

Would you care to enlighten us; provide a link, or at least say where you read the report.

Without going through everything I read this morning, no.

If you go looking you may find what she said. I can paraphrase some of what she said, that the vigil was attended by mostly female officers and was peaceful until it and the more militant in the crowd got nasty.

I also read a met police statement that should be relatively easy to find.

PS.
Multiple videos on line now too and also of a march through London, F the police etc.

I could be wrong but this does begin to look like a vigil and issue being hijacked by the usual weekend/demo politicos. Which gets me on to...

Sometime ago I had a Kazakh GF and spent some lovely times there, for anyone who doesn't know it's an ex Soviet state. The stories I was told do make me wonder if the people playing Communist, Marxist or anarchist and having a jolly good time at it truly realise what life would be like if their fantasies came true.

 

[sphexx]

If you are breaking the law and you get told to move on by the police, and don't comply, you risk being arrested. Should you resist arrest, it will be done forcibly. They were all adults and knew what they were doing. When you safely arrest somebody who is resisting, it takes multiple officers, and they get you face down, on the ground, sometimes with an officer on each limb. That is done for the safety of the person being arrested. It may make for a great front page photo, but they are doing it correctly and safely.

I was once stopped by armed police while on a motorbike in London, weapons raised. I did exactly as they said and was handcuffed. After 10 minutes they realised that they had the wrong person and apologised. That's how the system works. For everybody's safety they put you in cuffs.

The people who went to the protest/vigil care nothing for others otherwise they wouldn’t be there given the current COVID situation. There were other ways they could have protested .

 

[Fuji Dave]

Good read, but the Met statement is bang on I'd say and good too. Remember too a reporter gets payed for a great shot, so won't get any with folk right in the face of police.

Met Police defend 'necessary enforcement' as actions widely condemned

Mayor of London Sadiq Khan said the scenes were “unacceptable”

www.mylondon.news

No I was not there but being told to move on is what they should of done.

 

[sphexx]

Good read, but the Met statement is bang on I'd say and good too. Remember too a reporter gets payed for a great shot, so won't get any with folk right in the face of police.

Met Police defend 'necessary enforcement' as actions widely condemned

Mayor of London Sadiq Khan said the scenes were “unacceptable”

www.mylondon.news

No I was not there but being told to move on is what they should of done.

Ironic that they are now trying to get rid of the Met’s first female Commissioner too ... if only they’d pick on the Home Secretary

 

[Fuji Dave]

I wonder how many of them will end up having the virus after all that, then might think OH dear I should of gone home when the police asked me too. So many videos on line showing that some really pushed their luck with the police.

 

[woof woof]

The people who went to the protest/vigil care nothing for others otherwise they wouldn’t be there given the current COVID situation. There were other ways they could have protested .

I've thought about this over the last few days and I have mixed feelings.

Yes, it must be very annoying and frightening even to be constantly scared that a man is going to jump out and rape and or murder you. I say constantly as listening to the discussions this is what some are saying. Constantly may be a bit of a stretch for most women but the thought could be in their minds a lot of the time or at least some of the time. My fear is being attacked, beaten and robbed and I have been attacked but thankfully not sexually assaulted or murdered and to balance this fear a little the stats on attacks show that men are at much greater risk than women on the streets.

Maybe this links in to the general decline in values, family, absent father or other roll models and that some seem to believe they can do whatever they want with no real consequences.

So, I have mixed feelings. I can see the frustration, rage and fear women are expressing but blaming men and imposing curfews may be a bit of a stretch. Maybe. And as some have said the people calling for a curfew on men would shy away from any suggestion of a curfew based on stats appearing to show that one race or another committed disproportionate amounts of crime.

 

[woof woof]

Ironic that they are now trying to get rid of the Met’s first female Commissioner too ... if only they’d pick on the Home Secretary

Who can win?

"My God! They're lessened the lockdown! The idiots! It's too soon! There'll be a 3rd wave and hundreds of thousands will die!"

My God! They've lengthened lockdown! The idiots! There's no evidence for this! Don't they know they're infringing human rights, dividing families and driving people into mental issues?

My view? Damned whatever "they" do.

 

[AndrewFlannigan]

Maybe this links in to the general decline in values, family, absent father or other roll models and that some seem to believe they can do whatever they want with no real consequences.

Ever since those loutish techies Gutenberg and Caxton kicked off the information revolution, people have been horrified by the willingness of others to express different opinions from themselves and live according to different rules. Interestingly, those different rules have become the norm quite quickly and another generation has been the subject of complaints for not conforming to them.

Change, as the saying goes, is here to stay, so it's best to just lie back and enjoy it...

 

[Nod]

why on earth would you wear a face covering outdoors?

ANYTHING that can help, even in a small way, reduce the spread of covid is worth doing.

 

[cambsno]

Ironic that they are now trying to get rid of the Met’s first female Commissioner too ... if only they’d pick on the Home Secretary

Why is it that if people make a mistake they are urged to resign? Does no-one ever make mistakes at work? What if Dick was to resign, whats the benefit? Even assuming she was at fault here, she may have done 20 brilliant things previous to this!

 

[cambsno]

I wonder how many of them will end up having the virus after all that, then might think OH dear I should of gone home when the police asked me too. So many videos on line showing that some really pushed their luck with the police.

I doubt it - to be fair catching outside is a lot harder although lots of different situations. Also, how would they know they caught it there and not at work/Tesco etc...

 

[Fuji Dave]

I doubt it - to be fair catching outside is a lot harder although lots of different situations. Also, how would they know they caught it there and not at work/Tesco etc...

Right in your face shouting/screaming, don't think it would help at all though mask or no mask.

 

[boyfalldown]

why on earth would you wear a face covering outdoors?

to keep my face warm?

 

[sphexx]

I've thought about this over the last few days and I have mixed feelings.

Yes, it must be very annoying and frightening even to be constantly scared that a man is going to jump out and rape and or murder you. I say constantly as listening to the discussions this is what some are saying. Constantly may be a bit of a stretch for most women but the thought could be in their minds a lot of the time or at least some of the time. My fear is being attacked, beaten and robbed and I have been attacked but thankfully not sexually assaulted or murdered and to balance this fear a little the stats on attacks show that men are at much greater risk than women on the streets.

Maybe this links in to the general decline in values, family, absent father or other roll models and that some seem to believe they can do whatever they want with no real consequences.

So, I have mixed feelings. I can see the frustration, rage and fear women are expressing but blaming men and imposing curfews may be a bit of a stretch. Maybe. And as some have said the people calling for a curfew on men would shy away from any suggestion of a curfew based on stats appearing to show that one race or another committed disproportionate amounts of crime.

Yes. My problem with this, and other protests, is not to say there is not a problem but rather that they do not offer any solution. This particular event was one of a rare kind and if the press reports prove accurate, probably could not be avoided whatever steps are taken. As I said earlier, the only solution to the street violence would be more people on the streets and not in cars and buses but I can’t see that happening any time soon . They are calling for “reclaiming the streets” but that is exactly what the poor woman was doing on a 50 minute evening walk.

 

[woof woof]

How the hell am I supposed to know if the article that I am reading is the same article that you read if you won’t tell me which article you actually read in the first place, or who actually said it.

Quite frankly I’ve had more intelligent conversations with a lobotomised amoeba.

Oh er.

What a nasty little abusive j crossley you are aren't you?

Let me explain.

My days are very full and although I get the odd few minutes to read and post here, mostly in the mornings, and check a few sites and read the news I do not have the time to reread everything I read this morning and tomorrow it'll be even harder to find as it disappears under Tuesdays avalanche.

Take what I said at face value, search for quotes from female officers yourself, read the statement from the met, view the various videos which are surfacing and/or otherwise make your own mind up.

Do not however post like that again as you only make yourself look to be an immature abusive obnoxious little bell end who will probable be banned for posting like that sooner or later. Jog on muppet.

 

[Marc]

Quite frankly I’ve had more intelligent conversations with a lobotomised amoeba.

Not necessary

Do not however post like that again as you only make yourself look to be an immature abusive obnoxious little bell end who will probable be banned for posting like that sooner or later. Jog on muppet.

And neither is that, got to be the most ironic post I've seen for a long time.

 

[Fuji Dave]

I just want to say I was shocked to read and hear of this terrible crime as most other folk were even the Police and Met to find out that one of their own could be so evil, I hope I'm not wrong in saying this but Please can we respect others while answering on here. I have actually watched a few videos that do show a different story of the vigil, but sadly I can not find them now.

 

[Pound Coin]

Yes. My problem with this, and other protests, is not to say there is not a problem but rather that they do not offer any solution. This particular event was one of a rare kind and if the press reports prove accurate, probably could not be avoided whatever steps are taken. As I said earlier, the only solution to the street violence would be more people on the streets and not in cars and buses but I can’t see that happening any time soon . They are calling for “reclaiming the streets” but that is exactly what the poor woman was doing on a 50 minute evening walk.

Yes, interesting point.

I remember way back being told that I shouldn't cross The Meadows in Edinburgh late at night, because it was dangerous. I painted out it wasn't dangerous, and if it was it would be because people avoided it at night because it was dangerous...

 

[woof woof]

Not necessary



And neither is that, got to be the most ironic post I've seen for a long time.

What I posted could well be an improvement on what I/many of us get called.

And of course I only did it because he started it.

(Please take that in the ironic way it was meant and add a )

 

[woof woof]

I just want to say I was shocked to read and hear of this terrible crime as most other folk were even the Police and Met to find out that one of their own could be so evil, I hope I'm not wrong in saying this but Please can we respect others while answering on here. I have actually watched a few videos that do show a different story of the vigil, but sadly I can not find them now.

The media seem to be going with the police heavy handedness line which may largely be accurate as as far as we know there were I think just a handful of arrests so it could well have been just a handful of disruptive people who needed to be heavy headedly handled... and this being picked up on by the more reasonable people who maybe witnessed police arrests without seeing the cause. Or something like that.

I think there are often gatherings or marches of one sort or another which can be predicted to end in some sort of disruption and perhaps once permission for this vigil was declined this was one of them. The only questions really were IMO, how many arrests and how many injuries. Hopefully the injuries weren't too bad.

 

[Fuji Dave]

It would be a mess if I put it up, but just read a WPC sent a letter to her MP stating, while we were trying to control the crowd some one got in her face and shouted IT SHOULD OF BEEN YOU AND NOT SARAH WHO GOT KILLED then manhandled the WPC. Sick if I say so my self.

 

[Fuji Dave]

Sir Iain Duncan Smith urges MPs not to prejudge what happened at the vigil on Saturday night before all the evidence has been heard.

The Conservative MP says he has received a note from a female police officer who was at the vigil on Clapham Common on Saturday night.

"She was threatened, she was told that she should have been murdered, not Sarah Everard, and that she was manhandled.

"I say on all sides we should be dialling this down not raising the temperature by calling for resignations."

The home secretary says: "I too have been written to by many police officers expressing very similar sentiments as well from their own experiences and I think the point about not prejudging is absolutely right."

Priti Patel says she has received a report from the Met Police and there is now an independent review which will deliver the full facts and strengthen public confidence in policing.

 

[Nod]

A few of the below loaded with plain water might be a useful deterrent to mass gatherings. A 2 minute warning to clear the area (or more as necessary). Not being used much ATM...

 

[woof woof]

It would be a mess if I put it up, but just read a WPC sent a letter to her MP stating, while we were trying to control the crowd some one got in her face and shouted IT SHOULD OF BEEN YOU AND NOT SARAH WHO GOT KILLED then manhandled the WPC. Sick if I say so my self.

Yes, I read that too.

I've been out with a couple of police women, both lovely in their own ways and they told me a few horror stories.

I can understand wanting to join the police and I saw my then GF go through the process but I think it must be a thankless and even soul destroying career at times and must shake your faith in people.

 

[sphexx]

A few of the below loaded with plain water might be a useful deterrent to mass gatherings. A 2 minute warning to clear the area (or more as necessary). Not being used much ATM...

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Though warm soapy water should be deployed to be COVID compliant

 

[Fuji Dave]

Yes, I read that too.

It was not the one I did put up, as I can't find any of them now and it's a shame too. If everyone had seen the videos and the beeps put in I think they would change their minds saying the police were out of order, for me of what I have read and seen on videos the police were right.

 

[Nod]

Or sanitiser...

 

[simon ess]

Do the police, as an organisation, not do gaming scenarios to evaluate best outcome strategies? You know, like professionals.

 

[woof woof]

It was not the one I did put up, as I can't find any of them now and it's a shame too. If everyone had seen the videos and the beeps put in I think they would change their minds saying the police were out of order, for me of what I have read and seen on videos the police were right.

Sounds similar to the one I posted about earlier.

If I was the copper in charge I think I'd be looking at body cam footage and deciding what to pass to the CPS and maybe even post on social media.

One lady I heard talking today had no idea why she was arrested. Really? Maybe, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone had a reason.

 

[Fuji Dave]

Sounds similar to the one I posted about earlier.

If I was the copper in charge I think I'd be looking at body cam footage and deciding what to pass to the CPS and maybe even post on social media.

One lady I heard talking today had no idea why she was arrested. Really? Maybe, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone had a reason.

I think all the letters Priti Patel has seen, she will also see body cam footage.

 

[Fuji Dave]

The police have just kept an eye on them all tonight, what we really need is a lot of heavy rain then how many would protest and get roads closed.