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So, from that, his wife Elena is 38.

A woman, 39, was also arrested.

It is the DM though, so allowances must be made I suppose.
 
simon ess said:
So, from that, his wife Elena is 38.

A woman, 39, was also arrested.

It is the DM though, so allowances must be made I suppose.
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nilagin said:
Unless it's a typo, it says the woman arrested was 39 and his wife is 38. There is nothing even hinting at the fact that it is his wife who has been arrested.
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Looks like it was a typo error, as when I read it it did say wife but now a 39yr old woman.
 
I've read some far fetched stuff on line this morning about this destroying trust in the police but this seems crazy, as so much we read these days does.

Met officers are human too. Maybe the police can filter out the obvious nut jobs and possibly a good percentage of dubious people but even if everyone they employ looks to be a Grade A well balanced individual with a perfect psychological profile they're still human and at some point may be prone to the same weaknesses and emotions and illnesses and possible criminal intent as the rest of society. So it's not too surprising if a member of the force commits a major crime now and again. I'd guess that the number of police that commit major crimes is less than other groups? Maybe. I could be wrong and it is a stressful and dangerous job and that alone could possibly push a few over the edge.
 
woof woof said:
I've read some far fetched stuff on line this morning about this destroying trust in the police but this seems crazy, as so much we read these days does.

Met officers are human too. Maybe the police can filter out the obvious nut jobs and possibly a good percentage of dubious people but even if everyone they employ looks to be a Grade A well balanced individual with a perfect psychological profile they're still human and at some point may be prone to the same weaknesses and emotions and illnesses and possible criminal intent as the rest of society. So it's not too surprising if a member of the force commits a major crime now and again. I'd guess that the number of police that commit major crimes is less than other groups? Maybe. I could be wrong and it is a stressful and dangerous job and that alone could possibly push a few over the edge.
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Agree - you will get 'bad people' in all walks of life and even the best systems will never weed out all, and as you say, something could have flipped.

Although you would have though a copper would have not been caught quite so quickly! Should have been better at committing a crime!
 
Are his head wounds self inflicted or has someone managed to get into his cell and kick the XXXX out of him?
 
Nod said:
Are his head wounds self inflicted or has someone managed to get into his cell and kick the XXXX out of him?
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Maybe, outraged that one of their own could have done such a thing.
 
jonbeeza said:
Maybe, outraged that one of their own could have done such a thing.
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He's been taken back to hospital, again re another a head injury and has now been charged with the kidnap and murder.

He'll have hit his head against his cell wall. He'd be on suicide watch for sure but it takes seconds to do that. There'll be an inquiry into to how he was able to do that the first time let alone..twice. The last thing the police want with him is an injury or a death in custody.

It's going to be interesting to see how they came to arrest him. I see he had a complaint made against him for indecent exposure in a fast food outlet in south London on the 28th February ,days before Sarah Everard disappeared. It's a massive leap from that to kidnap and murder. There must be quite a few sex offenders in the area so it has to be something more specific...ie to him. You have to wonder how many indecent exposures..or whatever else of that nature.. he's carried out before because many go unreported and invariably when offences like that are concerned and an arrest has been made or someone has been identified it's rarely their first offence.
 
Nod said:
Are his head wounds self inflicted or has someone managed to get into his cell and kick the XXXX out of him?
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hope so and they disabled the CCTV
hope he got his nuts caved in as well
 
Only been with the police for three years, and managed to get to such an important role within, such as firearms and diplomatic protection.
 
We have a skewed relationship with risk. These are very rare occurrences, so loom larger in the nations (and media) consciousness.
200 women killed in the last year. 13% of those killed by strangers, maybe 25 in a year.
2 a day (or thereabouts) killed on our roads, maybe 800.
Tens of thousands killed by an appallingly poor government response to the pandemic, giving us a world leading COVID death rate.

it is terrible. It does raise the profile of the question of how women are second class citizens in our society. If the outrage and media-fest helps make changes, then good.
 
Pound Coin said:
We have a skewed relationship with risk. These are very rare occurrences, so loom larger in the nations (and media) consciousness.
200 women killed in the last year. 13% of those killed by strangers, maybe 25 in a year.
2 a day (or thereabouts) killed on our roads, maybe 800.
Tens of thousands killed by an appallingly poor government response to the pandemic, giving us a world leading COVID death rate.

it is terrible. It does raise the profile of the question of how women are second class citizens in our society. If the outrage and media-fest helps make changes, then good.
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How does that rate women as second class citizens?
725 UK murders over 12 months up to June last year. UK road deaths over same period 1580.
 
Doh. I looked at your post.

Back on ignore.
 
jonbeeza said:
I thought I read he had joined up in 2018, maybe that was when he transferred to the Met, possibly.
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My wife told me it was three years too and I was amazed. Parliamentary and Diplomatic Protection Unit ..armed ? and only after one year out of probation ? He had to have had firearms experience prior to joining.

So..... Prior to joining the Met he had been a member of the Army Reserve ..3rd Battalion Princess of Wales Regiment..2002 -2004. and was, at some time, with the Civil Nuclear Constabulary (1500 officers) protecting nuclear sites and would have been armed. They liaise with local police so he'd be somewhat familiar with policing. I was unable to establish what rank he attained. They only have three ranks. Constable-Sergeant and Inspector.They also have a two year probationary period after which they can apply to join various groups. They have a special branch too that carries out intelligence work and investigations.

Have a read https://www.gov.uk/government/organ...nstabulary/about/recruitment#roles-at-the-cnc

I read this too regarding his arrest. A car linked to the murder suspect was allegedly spotted on a motorist’s dashcam near to where Ms Everard was last seen, and tracked by ANPR cameras. There's the answer as to why him.
 
Am I the only one who cannot understand why "Reclaim These Streets" thought it was a good idea to organise a mass vigil on Clapham Common just as we are attempting to get out of a lockdown
They may have cancelled it but it was obvious that some would still turn up and it would cause problems
Why couldn't they do as others have for various causes and do a doorstep vigil.
 
No, not the time for a vigil. Although I’d heard that Reclaim The Streets had pulled out of the vigil, because “the police hadn't engaged”. Possibly the police were between a rock and a hard place. Difficult to help organisers of a vigil that are organising something that is quite possibly illegal under COVID regs.
 
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If what I have read in the papers and seen in the videos is an accurate account of what actually happened at the vigil, it is utterly appalling behaviour by the police.
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If you look closely at the video on the BBC news website, it seems one of the officers involved in the woman falling to the ground was also female !!!
 
Gremlin said:
Am I the only one who cannot understand why "Reclaim These Streets" thought it was a good idea to organise a mass vigil on Clapham Common just as we are attempting to get out of a lockdown
They may have cancelled it but it was obvious that some would still turn up and it would cause problems
Why couldn't they do as others have for various causes and do a doorstep vigil.
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Because "their" opinion is "better" than yours. They are "right". They will cancel/blank you if you disagree. To hell with putting many others at risk. Whilst the circumstances of this case are truly shocking and that is raises serious concerns are undeniable, breaking the law to make a point seems so sixth form IMO. As you say, it could have been achieved in other ways without putting the more vulnerable (to Covid) at great risk.
 
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They may have cancelled it but it was obvious that some would still turn up
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A cynical person might think that their reasoning went thus...
  1. Let's organise a rally.
  2. Oops! If we do, we'll face huge fines.
  3. Still, we can publicise it via social media.
  4. Now let's make a loud noise about how we're cancelling it.
  5. Of course, lots of people will still turn up.
  6. But M'lud, we cancelled it so you can't fine us if other people showed up anyway!
 
j crossley said:
But whatever the rights or wrongs of the vigil. Whether it was legal or not. Whether the organisers withdrew from the event or not. The police should have stayed on the sidelines, let the women hold the vigil, and then made sure that the women got home safely.
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The reason for the meeting doesn't matter. We are in a pandemic. The police were right to act in exactly the same way as they would breaking up any gathering. Gatherings regardless of whether it is a rave, or a vigil are illegal.
 
Shouting at the police officers with a mask under the chin and resisting arrest. Speaks for itself really.
To many do-gooders in this country

They shouldn't have been able to disperse. Instead they should have all (including the photographers) been corralled and fined the maximum penalty,
 
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The reason for the meeting doesn't matter. We are in a pandemic. The police were right to act in exactly the same way as they would breaking up any gathering. Gatherings regardless of whether it is a rave, or a vigil are illegal.
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100%. If people can get together with a lack of distancing (regardless of the cause) then why cant people attend sports games, meet up outside, go and do leisure activities? They should not have met up.

As Cressida Dick said, you cannot judge until you have been in those situations.
 
poor behaviour from poor quality people intent on pushing the police into a corner.
get a grip and get a life
a womans life is lost to murder
some may say 125,000 people have been murdered by covid
they certainly didn't deserve to die
 
People just haven't got their head around that the PHE and UKGov directives are actually the minimum necessary to reduce virus transmission.

If you are outside and keep 2m distance and wear a face covering then maybe that will reduce ( but not stop ) transmission.

If people disobey the law then I am fine with them risking infecting themselves or their families but not innocent people - and that is what has happened throughout Europe since this pandemic emerged.

There is a huge hole in even providing front line workers - and anyone who has to be in close contact with the public - with effective PPE.

At the very least, FFP3 masks should have become the norm by now and I shudder to see hospital staff, police officers and so on just wearing "surgical masks"

Hell - what do I know? I saw this coming in January last year and got FFP3 masks, an industrial quantity of isoprop and bleach for my wife and myself. I am classed as extremely clinically vulnerable and if I get a dose I will be toast so I am careful.

If the government hadn't been consistently behind the curve and pussyfooting about peoples' rights in a liberal democracy, then this whole disaster could have been mitigated last March - fewer people dead or with long covid - fewer businesses driven to the wall and fewer jobs lost ( yes - even for young people )

I have no knowledge of virology but what I do know about is aerosol transmission of hydrolysis products of UF6 ( google it ). Similar particle diameters although a fraction of the risk ( you only need to ingest a few hundred 0.2 micron virus particles to get an infectious dose ).

Alternatively you can just take a relaxed attitude to infractions of the law - and hope.

I should make some remark about the scum who attack or molest women either in the home or stranger assaults - unfortunately all my suggestions are proscribed by international law - in the category of "cruel and unusual punishments".
 
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Clapham Common is also a potential part of the crime scene so people should have kept away.
 
Craig1912 said:
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would you like to expand on that ?

Lots of info in peer reviewed journals if you are interested e.g. in NEJM:

Aerosol and Surface Stability of SARS-CoV-2 as Compared with SARS-CoV-1

or do you have alternative references to debate ?

Oh - and I apologise - my info on estimated infectious dose was out of date - it seems to be about 2000-3000 0.2 micron particles according to later estimates - phew - what a relief.
 
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