Told to delete photos by security guard.

TinaC said:
I read..a lot, and have yet to read of a petrol forecourt being blown up by some poor soul phoning a friend...

<stands by for a plethora of links :naughty:>
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There's a lot of misinformation regards this type of thing. There are 2 issues I've been advised of although both have very s,mall amounts of risk, they are still valid.

1. You drop your phone and the battery contacts cause a spark. In a petrol station this could be dangerous with vapour around in the air. I've never heard it happen either right enough but there is a small risk.
2. You can't be concentrrating on everything if you have a phone at your ear. In a petrol station you could be the cause of an accident by just being careless when on the phone.

So although you might think there's no risks - there are. - Although most people don't realise what they are.

It has nothing to do with radio waves.
 
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It frustrates me that you deleted the Photo's. Forget what you look like,take that totally out of question. The fact is he'll do it again,and again everytime you,or any other photographer go's back to take photo's.
If you go back,and he "ask's" you to delete the photo's, Turn the Film mode on the Camera on and record him harrassing you,Then get down to the police station and exicute your rights as a photographer.Make sure you ask the "rent a cop" what your doing wrong,and ask if he knows the law. or if you can, research some documents,and print them off,keeping them on your person for such ocasion.
If your on Private land they can ask you to stop taking photographs and cant make you delete anything,but if your on public,you have the right to photograph anything you want,withing moral reason,you wouldnt photograph through someones window would you?
Another thing that you can get him on,is the fact he's impersonating a Police officer,He's taken the "judge dread" aproach,which is Illegal in this country,and impersonating a police officer is punishable by fine,and im sure they can even get a short prison sentace.

Sorry for the rant, This annoys me :(
 
Motogp said:
Typical security guard , give them a badge and a radio and they think they are MI6.

I have to deal with these type far to often ,next time just walk away with a big grin on your face that really gets them going .:D
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No, mate, we think we're MI9 (higher number is better, see).
I think its all about the approach. Ive had to ask people numerous times not to take photos (while on our property i will add). Ive not once had an issue with anyone, i think because im reasonable about it, know my boundaries and i can see their point of view.
These monkeys who demand deletion, or are accosting someone on public property give guards like myself and my colleagues a bad name.
 
there was a little credit card sized thing in the Canon User magazine over christmas which had a grey card on one side and 'photographer's rights' printed on the reverse. i think it was about £5... handy for shoving under the noses of said jobsworth.

other option is just to pretend you don't speak english... then when the cops arrive.. tell them in clear and concise words what a nob-end the guard is :clap:
 
VirtualAdept said:
No, mate, we think we're MI9 (higher number is better, see).
I think its all about the approach. Ive had to ask people numerous times not to take photos (while on our property i will add). Ive not once had an issue with anyone, i think because im reasonable about it, know my boundaries and i can see their point of view.
These monkeys who demand deletion, or are accosting someone on public property give guards like myself and my colleagues a bad name.
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No offence intended .:)

A family member is a security guard and he was a police officer (CID For 15 years ) and we take the p*** out of him :D

It just as you say the ones who know nothing about the law don't do you any favours .
 
leftcurl said:
there was a little credit card sized thing in the Canon User magazine over christmas which had a grey card on one side and 'photographer's rights' printed on the reverse. i think it was about £5... handy for shoving under the noses of said jobsworth.

other option is just to pretend you don't speak english... then when the cops arrive.. tell them in clear and concise words what a nob-end the guard is :clap:
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Now wouldn't that be a great idea for the Admin/Mods to get printed up with the TP website details on the otherside. I would gladly pay a £5 for one.

Might be worth giving Matty a nudge.
 
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haha - thats an awesome story!

matty198111 said:
afewdays ago i was parked up outside a petrol station with cars either side of me, then one of them audi r8's pulled in and it was filthy, ironically he parked right under a car wash sign, having the camera i took a few pics of it.

the owner saw and didnt seem to care ( he even smiled ) but then a lad in the car next to me said to his dad who was getting something from the boot of his car that i was taken pictures of the audi

the bloke came round to my door and asked what i was doing, so i told him that as i have a camera in my hand its a safe bet im taken pics....... what of..... that audi...... it aint yours ........... well it aint yours either...... u got no right and you better stop.

the audi owner came out and he ran over to him pointing at me so i went over aswell, the audi owner said to him listen t1t if he wants a pic of my car then let him, then he made me laugh, he said to the prat funny thing is mate alot of people think that w*****s drive an audi and here you are with a focus puts that theory in the bin doesnt it.

i was laughing all the way back to my car,
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AFC said:
Now wouldn't that be a great idea for the Admin/Mods to get printed up with the TP website details on the otherside. I would gladly pay a £5 for one.

Might be worth giving Matty a nudge.
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i'll dig out the mag when i get home (no i won't i'm going to the boozer to watch united)... but i'll have a look at some point and see what it was called and where to find it - it would definately be worth letting people know about it on here.
 
I am a member on a local camera club. On the reverse of my membership card it states the following:-

"To Whom It May Concern. There is no law in the United Kingdom preventing a photographer from taking photographs in a public place. Individuals have no right to stop a photographer from photographing them. Photographers can shoot street scenes, building, people, including children, the police and other officials without breaking the law and with prefect freedom to do so. It is courteous to desit from photographing if someone is upset by it.

Photographers should at all times co-operate with the police and should take particular care to avoid obstructing the police or emergency services. Anti-terrorism laws do give the police powers to stop and search anyone for the prevention of terrorism. No0one can force a photographer to delet any images without a court order."

I keep it, and a camera, on me at all times. :thumbs:
 
jagman said:
Matty198111 - the only problem I foresee with taking a photograph at a petrol station is one of potential risk of fire or explosion, unless of course you have an intrinsically safe camera!!!!!
Same risk as using a mobile phon on a forecourt.
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Actually, the mobile phone rule in petrol stations was started by a myth and as its been told so many times became rules in all petrol stations.
This started in america where there was a fault with one of there pumps and it caught fire due to an internal short, unfortunatly the person using it was on a phone and so when the news papers caught this before the official report came out, it was the phones fault.
There has never been a phone that holds enough power to cause a spark during any form of general use.
this is the same for mobiles on planes, all it is is super paranoid people making up stuff. plane wires are so insulated every person could be on a phone and nothing would ever affect any peice of equipment.
 
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very good link Chris.
i had to lay my laptop flat and read it upside down.
 
PREM said:
very good link Chris.
i had to lay my laptop flat and read it upside down.
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EOS_JD said:
There's a lot of misinformation regards this type of thing. There are 2 issues I've been advised of although both have very s,mall amounts of risk, they are still valid.

1. You drop your phone and the battery contacts cause a spark. In a petrol station this could be dangerous with vapour around in the air. I've never heard it happen either right enough but there is a small risk.
2. You can't be concentrrating on everything if you have a phone at your ear. In a petrol station you could be the cause of an accident by just being careless when on the phone.

So although you might think there's no risks - there are. - Although most people don't realise what they are.

It has nothing to do with radio waves.
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With respect to risk 1, I'd be far more concerned with the heavy sparking that occurs on the high current brush contacts of the average vehicle starter motor which is usually situated at the bottom of the engine than the battery contacts of a mobile causing a small spark. Then there's dropped keys and other metallic objects...

The fume concentrations on an open garage forecourt aren't going to be large enough to worry about unless there's just been a major spill, of course - even given that petroleum vapour is denser than air. ;)

Risk 2, fair enough.
 
AFC said:
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Islander said:
With respect to risk 1, I'd be far more concerned with the heavy sparking that occurs on the high current brush contacts of the average vehicle starter motor which is usually situated at the bottom of the engine than the battery contacts of a mobile causing a small spark. Then there's dropped keys and other metallic objects...

The fume concentrations on an open garage forecourt aren't going to be large enough to worry about unless there's just been a major spill, of course - even given that petroleum vapour is denser than air. ;)

Risk 2, fair enough.
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I 100% agree with you. the risk is so small it's laughable
 
AFC said:
It is a total myth that using a mobile phone on a forecourt is a fire hazard. If you get the chance watch the programme Mythbusters. They filled a caravan with petrol cans and petrol fumes and I think around 6 mobile phones and when they were ready they set off ALL the mobile phones and......NOTHING.
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that's not how they would case the fire..... if they ever did - see my other post

AFC said:
Apparently the reason they dont want you using a mobile phone on a garage forecourt is that it has been known to affect the pump, resulting in an inaccurate reading.
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Myth.... Radio waves do not affect the electronic devices like that.

Again see my previous post :)
 
AFC said:
I read somewhere that it had affected a petrol pump and resulted in a cheaper price.

I couldn't confirm whether that was true or not.
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I doubt it. Like posted elsewhere we radio have equipment installed inside their signage. there really is no risk - other than that of people not concentrating on what they are doing but making things up makes it sound better and puts doubt in the mind :)
 
There have been several confirmed reports submitted to the MHRA in the UK and the FDA in the USA relating to mobile phone interference with medical devices. The distances involved, however, were very short and many hospitals in the UK have amended the mobile phone ban accordingly.

Those that have made the change still impose a ban in critical care areas but have relaxed their restrictions in general wards and out patient areas. Many hospitals are not that mobile phone friendly by their design and construction resting in it being hard to obtain a signal in the first place or the phone having to use higher energy to maintain a signal thus increasing the risk in those sensitive areas.

As for petrol stations? As many have pointed out there are surely many more ignitions sources that are significantly more hazardous. Why not put a ban on vehicles as well? Lol!
 
SteveRob said:
There have been several confirmed reports submitted to the MHRA in the UK and the FDA in the USA relating to mobile phone interference with medical devices. The distances involved, however, were very short and many hospitals in the UK have amended the mobile phone ban accordingly.

Those that have made the change still impose a ban in critical care areas but have relaxed their restrictions in general wards and out patient areas. Many hospitals are not that mobile phone friendly by their design and construction resting in it being hard to obtain a signal in the first place or the phone having to use higher energy to maintain a signal thus increasing the risk in those sensitive areas.

As for petrol stations? As many have pointed out there are surely many more ignitions sources that are significantly more hazardous. Why not put a ban on vehicles as well? Lol!
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A lot of hospital equipment uses radio frequencies although at very different frequencies than mobiles. There should not be any interference but on life support equipment it's best not to even take any chances.... although it could again be down to people being more careless whilst on the phone in such a sensitive place!

http://www.mhra.gov.uk/Safetyinform...on/Mobilecommunicationsinterference/CON019620

It also states
"Misinformation regarding mobile wireless systems, electromagnetic interference and management procedures has led to a broad range of inconsistent policies among healthcare organisations."

Same as everywhere :)
 
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WiFi (802.11g) and DECT telephones are commonplace in many hospitals with the former frequently being used to transit data from a patients bedside.

You are correct that medical devices SHOULD be immune to RF signals however this is not always the case and I am currently working with a manufacturer trying to resolve 'issues' with their monitor caused by RF energy created by an electrosurgery unit in a neighbouring operating theatre. The incidents involving mobile phones occurred (in general) when the medical device was less that 1 metre away and caused issues such as an infusion pump to malfunction.

Now getting back onto the OP's topic:- Don't be surprised in you are requested not to take photographs of, for example, your new born baby in a hospital. I have seen this occur when the angle of the intended photograph would also include another patient and staff have stopped it on patient privacy grounds. They may also stop you on safety grounds if they believe that you are using a camera fitted with a transmitting device, such as a phone, in a critical care area. If you do find yourself in such a situation please understand that the nursing staff are often not technically minded and can, like all of us, get such a call wrong so be patient with them. It won't be the first time I've been called to give my 'technical evaluation' of a device.
 
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found the photographers rights thingy... it's here...

having looked at it now, it's from USA, so involves shipping etc.. and the rights will be applicable for US law too (which won't be necessarily relevant to UK)... so all in all... probably a waste of time..unless you want to use the grey card for $15! :bonk:
 
I've taken pictures outside my local Bae factory(although some other company owns it now) of a set of aluminium? aircraft on poles the uses as a kind of logo, people (employees)around merely asked to see the shots on the screen, most were chuffed to think I liked the set up they had at their factory.
 
I spend most of my (photographic) time taking pictures of aircraft, and have visited a huge number of airports in the UK, and must have spent 100s of hours taking photos of aircraft on military bases from outside. This has included some sensitive stuff at places such as Mildenhall and Fairford, and even at BAe's own facility at Warton. Because I have always been outside the base (looking in) I have never had any problems.

The only exception is at Boscombe Down where, a bridalway offers excellent views of the main runway. However, on the fence as well as the usual signs saying that it is an offence to cross the fence, there are also signs saying that it is a restricted place and photography into the base is prohibited. Even despite this, you can still quite legally take photos of the aircraft on approach until the point at which they cross the airfield boundary.

So if that applied to the BAe buildings there would have been similar signs! And there certainly are not any in the airfield at Rochester - I often go up there where it is easy to get photos of the aircraft.

Neil
 
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