Todays teachers strike

Long Hours school starts @ 9 finishes at 3.00
2 x 20 min breaks + 1 hr dinner
Clean up classroom tables (The caretaker cleans the floors.)
leave school premises at 4
home for 5
relax have tea
mark a few books.
most primary classes have classroom assistants who help the teachers prepare the lessons.
about 4 in-service days a year
wont mention the holidays they have.

Like I said secondary teachers work hard.
 
The Teachers are protecting what is a major portion of their renumeration. The private sector will not actively support their action however they have a right to protest.

They don't want your sympathy however they feel that they need to register their discontent
 
johnb said:
+1 :thumbs:

It is not the teachers fault that they have inherited a decent pension scheme & are right to try to protect it. It is also not the teachers fault that other people haven't
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Well its not our fault that theirs is being changed then, using your logic!
 
Sorry I've no sympathy.

The private sector have all had their pensions affected years ago. We had our final salary scheme stopped 7 years ago, changed for one which is worth a third less, with significant less contributions. Don't like it - no-ones forcing you to work here. Working for longer years - someones got to pay for it and it's just bringing it into line with the private sector.

Public sector workers have enjoyed pay rises over the last few years (albeit minor) whilst private sector workers have had pay freezes, pay cuts and huge numbers of redundancies to cope with.

Striking whilst talks are still ongoing. Isn't that just because if they went on strike over the summer holidays no-one would notice?
 
johnb said:
What a load of tosh! Utter rubbish.

Primary teachers that I know work very long hours to educate "little Jimmy", most of it unrecognised & unthanked
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A lot of us work long hours but we dont bleat on about it like teachers do (that includes someone I have been friends with for 25+ years). We all go down to pub on Sundays and he will moan about marking (although how difficult is it marking a 7yo work?) yet another mate who is in private sector works just as hard. Hours are 9-5 but will often work from 8 or 830 and not leave till 6. And you can forget lunchbreaks...
 
KIPAX said:
Why would anyone want anyone to change there point of view.. have a discussion and/or a debate.. why close a thread just because there are difference of opinions?
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No reason to close a thread for a difference of opinion, however I don't believe (from the wording of your original post) that the thread was started to invite discussion.
 
cambsno said:
Well its not our fault that theirs is being changed then, using your logic!
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So is your comment raised because you are totally anti-striking or were your plans disrupted today?

Why should they not try to protect their standard of living?
 
johnb said:
Andyhop, you appear to deliberately baiting the thread.

You obviously have in depth knowledge that I do not possess
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Not at all entitled to my opinion not baiting anyone.

BTW I've worked in a primary school
 
ANDYHOP said:
Like I said secondary teachers work hard.
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and what's your proof for that? I personally know a primary school teacher and I can assure you he works damn hard. I've also worked in a secondary school and seen many a teacher leading the life you have highlighted.
 
starkersclark said:
and what's your proof for that? I personally know a primary school teacher and I can assure you he works damn hard. I've also worked in a secondary school and seen many a teacher leading the life you have highlighted.
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By that I mean the kids are older a in some cases can be more abusive.
 
ANDYHOP said:
As I've said on other sites.

Secondary school teachers work hard and get all sorts of abuse.

Primary Teachers easiest job in the world and cant get that right for when the children go to secondary school.
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What c**p in my opinion I can show you good teachers who work hard in primary and ones that toss it off in secondary like my sons IT teacher whos class lost work when a fire happened becuase he hadnt setup a suitable backup system becuase he didnt think it would ne necessary.

there are good teachers and bad teachers in all age groups
 
ANDYHOP said:
Long Hours school starts @ 9 finishes at 3.00
2 x 20 min breaks + 1 hr dinner
Clean up classroom tables (The caretaker cleans the floors.)
leave school premises at 4
home for 5
relax have tea
mark a few books.
most primary classes have classroom assistants who help the teachers prepare the lessons.
about 4 in-service days a year
wont mention the holidays they have.

Like I said secondary teachers work hard.
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Try :

In school at 8

leave school at 5.45

have tea

work until 10 in the evening

work pats of both saturdays and sundays

work in the "holidays"


then you might be getting close.
 
starkersclark said:
That is true but you still get the pain in the butt kids at any age!
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Arh but this is my argument in primary school they should be easier to control and should be taught discipline.
But many are not because the teachers don't want confrontation.
 
Even the people that fight and die for this country have been told their pensions are being effect.

Maybe we should go on strike next time another conflict is announced. Oh sorry we cannot.
I don't think anyone should be able to strike. Sack them all and employ the people out of work then maybe they will realise they are still in a good position with having a job and pension

Teachers get more time off than most people. Stop moaning deal with it. We could be in a worst position.

Has for the union leaders they are still getting paid and bet their pensions are still good, they are not for the people just for themselves and getting their face in the news. Militant gits.
 
ANDYHOP said:
no skin off my nose mate must have hit a nerve with him
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nope, mearly asking if you found many people laughing at you. No nerves hit or anything else, but seeing as you seemed to find it difficult, I found it laughable the way you seemed to have a very strong opinion with very little to back it up, and asked if others had previously agreed.
 
ANDYHOP said:
Arh but this is my argument in primary school they should be easier to control and should be taught discipline.
But many are not because the teachers don't want confrontation.
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But is it up to the teachers to teach discipline? Surely that should be the responsibility of the parent?

10-11yr old kids can be pretty hard work if they want, I still don't agree that primary school teachers have it easy compared to secondary school teachers
 
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starkersclark said:
But is it up to the teachers to teach discipline? Surely that should be the responsibility of the parent?
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Exactly, too many parents fail to bring up their children properly so school time has to be diverted away from education.
 
starkersclark said:
But is it up to the teachers to teach discipline? Surely that should be the responsibility of the parent?

10-11yr old kids can be pretty hard work if they want, I still don't agree that primary school teachers have it easy compared to secondary school teachers
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Of course discipline starts at home but primary kids are a lot easier to deal with than 12-16 year olds
 
ANDYHOP said:
Of course discipline starts at home but primary kids are a lot easier to deal with than 12-16 year olds
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I'm sorry but I disagree, having worked with year 7 children at secondary school and seen how unruly they can be, there is no way they just suddendly became like that as soon as they left primary school. I don't think it matters how old they are, if they are difficult they are difficult regardless
 
boyfalldown said:
nope, mearly asking if you found many people laughing at you. No nerves hit or anything else, but seeing as you seemed to find it difficult, I found it laughable the way you seemed to have a very strong opinion with very little to back it up, and asked if others had previously agreed.
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I can back it up my sons primary education was lets say 'not well taught'
and now @ 13 in secondary school will be taking his B-Tec exams next year.
 
Teachers 67, why not the army too?

Older teachers are not as affective generally and will generally fall behind with technology.

Work til 67, OK, what about the younger people who cannot get into employment so have to go onto benefits because positions are filled, Working longer creates an issue in the whole employment sector.

Those with private pensions, do you have to now work til 67 to take your pension? Genuine question I don't know how they work.
 
I left teaching in 1999. I worked in further education (mostly 16-19 year olds, some adults). I, like many, but not all of my colleagues, worked 50-60 hours most weeks and because of the nature of my job, often only got 2-3 weeks 'holiday' in the summer. Once 'A' level results were published I was back in college full-time. I loved my job and the students were challenging, entertaining, rewarding and a p-i-t-a!

I went on strike once to help publicise the situation of colleges where staff got a really poor deal when their colleges were incorporated (funds received from central government, rather than from the LA). I hated doing that, but if you belong to a union, I think you have to stand with the union - or leave it. Ironically, the union agreed I could actually go into college that day (without pay!) because some of my students were taking a shorthand exam and a stranger doing the dictation would have been off-putting for them.

I got my pension at 60, for which I'm extremely grateful, but the value of my savings has gone down and down and as for interest - what interest? :lol:

Would I be striking today? I doubt it! Life has changed - the country's got huge debts to finance and whether we like it or not we'll all suffer the pain. Neither private nor public sector employees deserve it. It's galling to see the huge salaries and bonuses paid to people who don't appear to be adding value to this country, but life never came with a guarantee of fairness. That hasn't changed! :lol:

We're better off than Greece. :)

Jean
 
ANDYHOP said:
I can back it up my sons primary education was lets say 'not well taught'
and now @ 13 in secondary school will be taking his B-Tec exams next year.
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Your son does not an example make. Sorry but your personal opinion is no basis for broad generalisations.

How do you classify "not well taught"? Is it he didn't pass his 11 plus or that he couldn't read or write very well?
 
jeangenie said:
I left teaching in 1999. I worked in further education (mostly 16-19 year olds, some adults). I, like many, but not all of my colleagues, worked 50-60 hours most weeks and because of the nature of my job, often only got 2-3 weeks 'holiday' in the summer. Once 'A' level results were published I was back in college full-time. I loved my job and the students were challenging, entertaining, rewarding and a p-i-t-a!

I went on strike once to help publicise the situation of colleges where staff got a really poor deal when their colleges were incorporated (funds received from central government, rather than from the LA). I hated doing that, but if you belong to a union, I think you have to stand with the union - or leave it. Ironically, the union agreed I could actually go into college that day (without pay!) because some of my students were taking a shorthand exam and a stranger doing the dictation would have been off-putting for them.

I got my pension at 60, for which I'm extremely grateful, but the value of my savings has gone down and down and as for interest - what interest? :lol:

Would I be striking today? I doubt it! Life has changed - the country's got huge debts to finance and whether we like it or not we'll all suffer the pain. Neither private nor public sector employees deserve it. It's galling to see the huge salaries and bonuses paid to people who don't appear to be adding value to this country, but life never came with a guarantee of fairness. That hasn't changed! :lol:

We're better off than Greece. :)

Jean
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:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

YOU KNOW WHAT THAT'S THE MOST SENSIBLE AND HONEST THING I'VE HEARD
(CAPS MEANT TO BE ON)
 
Ding i work in the building trade, I now HAVE to work till I am 67 just get my state pension(whatever that will be then) I get NO pension from my employer and never ever have done.

I am like many others in the private sector who are all in the same boat, so if feelings are a little sour towards teachers from these people then, well this is probably why.
I am all fro the strike to protect what they have now but I can not see it getting them anywhere with what the country state is in.

Oh the wife just lost her Final salary pension (gone to something else now but not as good) from her company that she has been paying into for the last 21 years, does she have the chance to strike???No, she just had to accept it and move on, the company gave them a little bonus to add to the pension but that was it.

spike
 
ANDYHOP said:
I can back it up my sons primary education was lets say 'not well taught'
and now @ 13 in secondary school will be taking his B-Tec exams next year.
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I'm sorry to hear but 1 child doesn't make an example of the profession. You also said

Long Hours school starts @ 9 finishes at 3.00
2 x 20 min breaks + 1 hr dinner
Clean up classroom tables (The caretaker cleans the floors.)
leave school premises at 4
home for 5
relax have tea
mark a few books.
most primary classes have classroom assistants who help the teachers prepare the lessons.
about 4 in-service days a year
wont mention the holidays they have.
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now having lived in the same house as, and having numerous friends how teach in primary schools then this is what I see

Long hours - OK Teaching starts at 9, but most are in the classroom by 8.
Sometimes they may leave at 4, buy also most are involved with social services and special needs pupils as well.Not many leave at 4.
Most classroom assistants assist, they don't prepare lessons, all the teachers I know work long hours doing this and often buy or provide materials themselves.
Relax and have tea and the holiday comment is a bit of a waste of a comment. But in-service days, so - most jobs allow time for training
 
SpikeK6 said:
Ding i work in the building trade, I now HAVE to work till I am 67 just get my state pension(whatever that will be then) I get NO pension from my employer and never ever have done.

I am like many others in the private sector who are all in the same boat, so if feelings are a little sour towards teachers from these people then, well this is probably why.
I am all fro the strike to protect what they have now but I can not see it getting them anywhere with what the country state is in.

Oh the wife just lost her Final salary pension (gone to something else now but not as good) from her company that she has been paying into for the last 21 years, does she have the chance to strike???No, she just had to accept it and move on, the company gave them a little bonus to add to the pension but that was it.

spike
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Yeah but Spike you had the chance to pay into a private one but you chose not to, that was your choice. I understand there are problems in the private sector too. 2 year pay freeze and 3% increase in payment to pension for working 2 years longer and getting less is going to bring out the fight in people.

As for those who said I get my pension at 60 but I wouldn't strike now, maybe you would feel different if you had to work 7 more years.
 
johnb said:
So is your comment raised because you are totally anti-striking or were your plans disrupted today?

Why should they not try to protect their standard of living?
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Not saying they shouldnt but everyone (bar MPs and Prem Footballers) seem to have had to put up with job losses, wage freezes and cuts, overtime bans, uncertainty, reduced pensions... dont remember the teachers saying anything then!! Why do teachers live in cloud cuckoo land thinking that everything is fine? Because they are in a safe job for life, thats why, and most I know think they are more important than other workers.
 
I want what the teachers want

I want YOU to work till your 68 and thus pay more tax so that I can retire on an iron clad pension at 60. The pension that I will pay 6% into but you will pay 14% into my fund.

Well that's what they are on strike for to KEEP the Status Quo were we in the private sector pay for their massive golden pension.

I also want more than the 25 days a year holiday I get, I would like to be able to use some of those days to extend chrismas or easter belond the two bank hoilday we are allowed.

I don't like that when it snows I HAVE to go to work or lose pay.



When Labour did a massive raid on private pension we heard nothing from these very same unions.
 
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