Todays teachers strike

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They wont win because they are not powerful enough.. all the schools around here are still open...

What the teachers need is a "closed shop" so all teachers have to strike, indeed forced to strike even if they don't believe in the cause...because they are in the union and no union = no job... closed shop...

"Secondry picketing".. "no limit pickets" on schools, get the teachers on the streets.. thosuands of them.. no limits..

"Sympath strikes" so butchers and bakers and anyone else can join in if they feel like it..doesnt matter if they agree or not either.. if your union says strike then you strike.no wage packet for you ..

Just like the 70s they could criple the country... But no.. they cant because all that was taken away from them...One women stood against the might of the unions and won..One women with more guts and balls than any prime minister to follow...

Maggie Maggie Maggie oi! oi! oi! .............


Discuss? :)
 
Smells worryingly like politics! Keep it civil people and we will see how far this goes.
 
We were talking about this the other day. The way to cause maximum damage is work to rule. At lunchtime leave the school premises to have your lunch, same at break. This would cause much more damage as schools would still be in a mess as they woudl not have the level of staff around on site to be able to keep things safe.
 
As I've said on other sites.

Secondary school teachers work hard and get all sorts of abuse.

Primary Teachers easiest job in the world and cant get that right for when the children go to secondary school.
 
ding76uk said:
We were talking about this the other day. The way to cause maximum damage is work to rule. At lunchtime leave the school premises to have your lunch, same at break. This would cause much more damage as schools would still be in a mess as they woudl not have the level of staff around on site to be able to keep things safe.
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most teachers do nothing then anyway schools have midday assistants.
 
I thought my drive to work was going to be a breeze, turns out it wasn't, I was ten minutes later than my usual day!

Some strike eh :p
 
Fair play to the striking teacher's from Loughborough College. They almost stood on their picket line until lunchtime! With that sort of conviction we really can't do without these teachers can we?

To be fair, Loose Women was about to start:p
 
ding76uk said:
We were talking about this the other day. The way to cause maximum damage is work to rule. At lunchtime leave the school premises to have your lunch, same at break. This would cause much more damage as schools would still be in a mess as they woudl not have the level of staff around on site to be able to keep things safe.
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So they ARE trying to cause maximum damage!
 
Kev M said:
Fair play to the striking teacher's from Loughborough College. They almost stood on their picket line until lunchtime! With that sort of conviction we really can't do without these teachers can we?

To be fair, Loose Women was about to start:p
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:lol::lol:
 
Splog said:
So they ARE trying to cause maximum damage!
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What damage is one day near summer holidays going to cause? If you want to look at damage from a day off then the Royal Wedding when year 11's were still in school caused much greater damage than todays event.

Maximum damage would have been to do this when GCSE's were taking place.
 
True teachers get a hard workload andare thrown from pillar to post when it comes to continuously changing curriculum, but they are getting a bit bitchy about why they are striking, to protect their golden pension. I have worked in many jobs and apart from the army you don't get a pension as part of the job.

It does annoy me because they have off about 6 half terms in a year, 3 weeks at christmas, 3 weeks at easter, 6 weks in the summer my boys school just had an occasional day on monday, and god knows how many bank holidays. This doesn't include their own holiday entitlement. I appreciate they do work some of these days off to prepare for the next term, but they complain about the hours, they complain about the pay, seriously if its all that bad then why accept the job in the first place? There are millions out of work and they could replace these teachers in an afternoon and they would be greatfull of the oppertunity.

We went to see jimy carr live the other night and he called out

"are there any teachers in the room?"

A bunch called out at the back

"my my, we are all honored, i mean we're on your time now, shouldn't you be busy preparing fro your 6 week summer holiday? So what attracted you all to children?"
 
Do you know what most teachers will be doing on their holidays? Working.

So far this year, February in school 1 day work at home 3

Easter In school 3 days, work at home 2

May half term in school 3 days

Summer hols I will be working about 2-3 weeks of it.

Also we pay an extra penalty as taking holidays goes up to double when we are off work. Our holidays are set. This is real pain of the job as well as a blessing.
 
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ding76uk said:
What damage is one day near summer holidays going to cause?.
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hence why i said they wont win.. the whole point of a strike or work to rule is to make the management or gioverment or whoever squirm... hold them to ransom even.. hence why thatcher quite rightly took 99% of there powers away...

in the 70s we where in a stupid postion where some bloke working on the buses could be on strike because a women in a factory 50 miles away was sacked for stealing toilet rolls and didnt get a warning..

my point.. the unions dont have enough power to use strike action to hold everyoen to ransom... if it wasnt in the papers this one would ahve gone unoticed to most
 
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Don't they fine parents now or something if they take the children out of school during term time as it disrupts their education? I am sure strikes have no effect at all on a child's education or the teachers would not do it would they?

They should think themselves lucky they will be getting a pension - some people lost theirs are a result of a certain chancellor of the exchequer allowing "pension holidays" so that some firms used the pension money to bolster their failing finances and left their employees, many of whom had been paying in for most of their working life, with nothing and no comeback !

I remember when I went to work for a large bakery and they said I had to join the union - this was shortly after the three day week and I had developed rather a dislike of unions so I refused. They said okay then, you can pay the equivalent dues to a charity then instead to which I agreed, then found they were choosing the charity which was something like the Bakers Union Charity - I left!.
 
Kerioak said:
Don't they fine parents now or something if they take the children out of school during term time as it disrupts their education? I am sure strikes have no effect at all on a child's education or the teachers would not do it would they?.
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excellent point.... next time i take a child home a week early for the cheaper holidays.. i will just tell em they are on strike ?
 
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ding76uk said:
Do you know what most teachers will be doing on their holidays? Working.

So far this year, February in school 1 day work at home 3

Easter In school 3 days, work at home 2

May half term in school 3 days

Summer hols I will be working about 2-3 weeks of it.

Also we pay an extra penalty as taking holidays goes up to double when we are off work. Our holidays are set. This is real pain of the job as well as a blessing.
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ok. Lets get this compared to a "normal" job
Feb: working 5 days
Easter: Working 10 days
etc etc.....
Fixed holidays: true of anyone with kids or a lot of industrial jobs.

Pensions, what pension? Don't make me laugh!
Job security?

Don't get me wrong, Teachers generally do a good job and aren't particularly well paid compared to some but they need to accept reality as they are striking over changes most other industries have had to accept years ago and I don't think they have much sympathy from those having to work in the real world.

Toby
 
Lucky to have a pension at all, try working in 4 degrees workshop in winter on 20k in the private sector with no sick pay.
 
Some friends are teachers, and yes, they do need to work in holidays but they think that working beyond 5pm is something to moan about - I have often worked evenings and not got paid for it as many people have. They still get decent pay a mate of mine is on £38k, get far more holiday than pretty much anyone else and even with changes still get one of the best pensions around. Oh, and they chose to go into the professions... 20 years ago teachers were moaning about lack of pay yet people still join. Bit like moving next to Gatwick and moaning about the planes!!!

We all have to get used to the fact that people in their 60s and 70s now will have it better than we will. The problem is not just the financial mess we are in but we are living far longer. In the old days you retired at 65 (as most people did) and then died at 70 or 75. Now, people expect to retire at 55 and then will probably live to 90/95. Somethings got to give.

The other point is that we are all in this... most of us have had pay cuts or freezes, lost overtime, had benefits taken away. Many have lost jobs, and lest face it, unless you get caught doing something dodgy with a pupil, how many teaches get sacked or made redundant?
 
Give them some support!

They took on a job that gave them certain pension, allowed them to retire at a certain age and based on this the monthly pension contribution is xx. Now that has been changed and it is a significant change.

If the government want to change civil service pensions then do it across the board and include all the services as well. Stop thinking of teachers as the easy target. What about the police and their 30 years and out on full pension even if they're 46! As for perks they get plenty.

So value our teachers and get behind them rather than attacking them for standing up for their own rights.

Go teachers take as much time of as you like:)
 
Sooner or later there will be a backlash. I agree they teachers stike isn't it, but if the government keep chasing public sector pensions the way they are, there will be repercussions. As for Maggie, :razz::razz::razz: Not since Edward 1st has Scotland seen such an attack. The old :bat:
 
justhitched said:
So value our teachers and get behind them rather than attacking them for standing up for their own rights.
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Lack of synpathy or not agreeing wiht what they are doing is hardly attacking them..
 
KIPAX said:
if your union says strike then you strike.no wage packet for you ..
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I wonder if the union leaders, who all seem to be on 3,4 and even 5 times the take home pay of their members, would be keen losing their own wages for the duration of a strike.....
 
I notice none of the teachers voted to strike on one of their teacher training days :D
 
I don't think public sector workers will get an ounce of sympathy. It's hard for everyone and the majority are actually quite well paid for what they do even though they bleat they aren't. Squeaky wheels most of them. I think some of them need to spend some time in the private sector where there are no pensions and more than minimum wage is a luxury. Loads of people have to put up with zero hour contracts, no sick pay and minimal holidays. Conditions in the private sector need to be improved as there are plenty of employers that think it is ok to ignore quite a lot of basic rights.
 
boyfalldown said:
Meaning did they laugh at you as well? Simples
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Meaning you wanted to take a smartalec dig at him but aren't prepared to back it up with anything meaningful.

I think Jimmy_Lemon should have closed this thread before it started, no-one is going to change their point of view here.
 
justhitched said:
Give them some support!

They took on a job that gave them certain pension, allowed them to retire at a certain age and based on this the monthly pension contribution is xx. Now that has been changed and it is a significant change.

If the government want to change civil service pensions then do it across the board and include all the services as well. Stop thinking of teachers as the easy target. What about the police and their 30 years and out on full pension even if they're 46! As for perks they get plenty.

So value our teachers and get behind them rather than attacking them for standing up for their own rights.

Go teachers take as much time of as you like:)
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I dont know all the ins and outs of police pensions nowadays but I'm pretty sure they pay in more than the teachers are being asked to pay and I dont think they can claim their pensions at 46 as they wouldnt have done 30 years( joining at minimum age of 18). I think they have to be at least 50.I'm sure someone will correct me if I am wrong.
 
As a non teacher but someone who works in a school I can see both sides....

Like has been said previously, teachers were employed and started to pay into a pension and now the government want to change the circumstances around that because it now no longer fits. Thats kind of not fair if you ask me. I would agree that new teachers coming into the profession from now on shouldn't get the benefits from the start fair enough.

However, SOME maybe MOST teachers work really hard. we have around 20 teachers here and i know that at least 15 of them work bloody hard, doing planning at weekends, preparing activities etc for the class and then doing all the paperwork that goes with that...

However, probably like in any profession there are some lazy ******* who do pretty much the minimum they can and get away with it. Its very hard to get a teacher sacked and if its for not performing then it can take around 12-18 months.

IF a teacher is sacked then they loose their GTC number and can no longer teach. But all this means is that they go along for the ride as long as possible and then resign right at the last minute before they are sacked. This way they get to keep their GTC number and can go on and teach in another school either as a normal member of staff or supply.

Teachers holidays are great (for them) we get 13 weeks holiday a year however some of these will be spent working so its maybe more like 10 weeks. still not bad.

HOWEVER if your not a teacher, work in a school and have a full time contract then you get paid for the 13 weeks holidays but dont necessarily have to work them :)

and as a non teacher who works in a school thats great :) only 3 weeks left until the summer :):):):)
 
Steep said:
Meaning you wanted to take a smartalec dig at him but aren't prepared to back it up with anything meaningful.

I think Jimmy_Lemon should have closed this thread before it started, no-one is going to change their point of view here.
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I wasn't having a dig at anyone.

I've worked in my sons primary school and believe me they didn't do much for his education except two new teachers who came from another school when he was in yrs 5 & 6.
The headmistress lords it around on 85K a year.

Thankfully my son now goes to a school thats opts out off LEA control.
 
Steep said:
I think Jimmy_Lemon should have closed this thread before it started, no-one is going to change their point of view here.
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Why would anyone want anyone to change there point of view.. have a discussion and/or a debate.. why close a thread just because there are difference of opinions?
 
Steep said:
Meaning you wanted to take a smartalec dig at him but aren't prepared to back it up with anything meaningful.

I think Jimmy_Lemon should have closed this thread before it started, no-one is going to change their point of view here.
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probably.

but meaning exactly what I typed - no smartalec digs and nothing else besides what I typed. If you or he want to read more into it then thats up to you :thumbs:
 
ANDYHOP said:
As I've said on other sites.



Primary Teachers easiest job in the world and cant get that right for when the children go to secondary school.
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What a load of tosh! Utter rubbish.

Primary teachers that I know work very long hours to educate "little Jimmy", most of it unrecognised & unthanked
 
justhitched said:
Give them some support!

They took on a job that gave them certain pension, allowed them to retire at a certain age and based on this the monthly pension contribution is xx. Now that has been changed and it is a significant change.

If the government want to change civil service pensions then do it across the board and include all the services as well. Stop thinking of teachers as the easy target. What about the police and their 30 years and out on full pension even if they're 46! As for perks they get plenty.

So value our teachers and get behind them rather than attacking them for standing up for their own rights.

Go teachers take as much time of as you like:)
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+1 :thumbs:

It is not the teachers fault that they have inherited a decent pension scheme & are right to try to protect it. It is also not the teachers fault that other people haven't
 
johnb said:
What a load of tosh! Utter rubbish.

Primary teachers that I know work very long hours to educate "little Jimmy", most of it unrecognised & unthanked
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It Doesn't need either recognition or thanks..... It's part of the job that they chose.
 
So because it's not their fault does that mean they don't have to expect changes? I don't remember the public sector coming out in sympathy when Gordon "I've eradicated boom and bust" Brown was raping private pensions to pay for public sector spending.

If teachers are looking for sympathy they'll find it in the dictionary between **** and syphilis.
 
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