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Thanks to some low life thief I recently lost the Nikon kit listed below in a burglary. Everything was (quite!!!) a few years old and as it all did what I needed it to I'm very much out of touch with what is available today. The insurance company have been pretty good so far and are suggesting it'll all be replaced with todays equivalents. So my question is, what are todays equivalents?



D7200 Serial No.6104949
D500 Serial No. not known

Nikon 12-24 f/4 G (IF) DX. Serial No.353786
Nikkor 24-70mm f/2.8E ED VR. Serial No. not known
Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8G ED VR II. Serial No.20021661
Nikkor 200-500mm f/5.6E ED VR. Serial No.2105469

MB D15 battery grip for D7200. Serial No.3012186
MB D17 battery grip for D500. Serial No.3032487
 
Do you want to stay Nikon or, since you have a chance, do you want to try something else? There are no bad cameras these days, but so are better in certain areas than others. Also do you want to stay crop, or prefer to go up (full frame) or down (micro4/3) in sensor size.
 
It has to be like for like according to the insurance company
 
GoLotus said:
It has to be like for like according to the insurance company
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Any idea how the insurance company interprets "like for like" given the switch to mirrorless? Does Nikon even have a mirrorless DX successor to the D500? I would ask the insurer. I expect you're not the first to have this question.
 
Well I guess the whole "is there a mirrorless successor to the D7200 and D500" is the question I’m asking here. And if not, what are today’s closest equivalents? I have no idea about today’s ranges
 
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GoLotus said:
Well I guess the whole is there a mirrorless successor to the D7200 and D500 is the question I’m asking here. I have no idea about today’s ranges
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Essentially I think they'll see it as 2 enthusiast level camera bodies plus a bunch of lenses of certain focal lengths. In your position I'd start reading about Nikon mirrorless crop cameras to find out what the equivalents are and whether they offer you what you want. While someone here might make suggestions, only you know what you actually want to do with them. I'd expect any recent enthusiast camera to be better than the D7200, but the D500 is a bit special and I'm not sure if Nikon make anything as capable in crop.
 
TimHughes said:
Any idea how the insurance company interprets "like for like" given the switch to mirrorless? Does Nikon even have a mirrorless DX successor to the D500? I would ask the insurer. I expect you're not the first to have this question.
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No, there's not a mirrorless DX successor to the D500 in that there's not an APS-C Z8 (which I would say would be close to what a D500 was) but some of the current mirrorless cameras likely offer better AF performance than the D500 did. It's nearly ten years since the D500 was released and it had an RRP of £1729 but the APS-C and FF camera market have changed quite a bit in that time so APS-C mirrorless is more a budget option now and FF cameras have taken the place of APS-C cameras. Price wise I was thinking a Z5 II and Z6 II but the Z5 is a bit over budget and not sure if either support a grip.
 
It is a long time ago, but when I lost my Contax RTS II the insurers replaced it with a new Contax III which was like losing an old Cortina and being given a new Jaguar. Check with the insurers or loss adjusters by telephone to find out what they regard as like for like.
 
May I suggest D850, which is today's equivalent and in terms of operation is identical. You can get the 16-35/4G as a replacement for the 12-24 and I believe the other lenses may still be available. D850 does support the use of the grip. And the crop from the D850 is 20MP.

I would be lost without my D500, having owned it nearly 10 years. It really did tick all the boxes and in my opinion it hasn't been replaced - it did take Nikon a long time to bring the D500 to market following the D300s (2010 camera?) and it was a quantum leap. I guess Nikon are pushing everyone towards the Z8,
 
Not at all sure the 850 is a replacement for the D500 other than sheer bulk - is the AF a match? How about noise handling - one of the key strengths of the D500 - on that denser sensor?
 
Are they asking what the prices are for the items today or what you insured them value wise. Seems they are asking you to do their job.
If you had a value, see why they aren't giving you that.
If its like for like, either they mean
- used/ebay buying -> then they can research
- todays equivalents of those cameras... in which case nikons z5 might be closer to the 500 ?

I'd say 720 is entry level and the 500 is lower mid... they may cough up for two newer models, but I doubt it.
Best to clarify with them, otherwise, z7 and z5 ?
 
ancient_mariner said:
Not at all sure the 850 is a replacement for the D500 other than sheer bulk - is the AF a match? How about noise handling - one of the key strengths of the D500 - on that denser sensor?
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Same AF system I believe, as for D5, only just that the sensors are more concentrated within the centre of the frame than spread out in the D500. The D500 is slightly faster to react.

Same pixel density if you read my post above, D500 is 20MP, D850 in APS-c crop mode is 20MP; I think that the D850 being full-frame and newer would have supremacy in the noise department.

Sizewise, D850 only slightly bigger. As I look to my left I see that my gripped D500 actually dwarfs my gripped K-1. I decided not to get a grip for the D850 as it is the first of many cameras I have bought feels comfortable in my hands without the need for the grip - and the top of the prism only gets to about half way up the gripped D500s eyepiece.

The F mount 24-70, 70-200 and 200-500 appear to still be available, the DX lenses appear to have completely disappeared...

But if the insurance would be willing to fork out for Z- then I would say Z6ii for the D7200 and Z8 for the D500
 
welshwizard645 said:
Same AF system I believe, as for D5, only just that the sensors are more concentrated within the centre of the frame than spread out in the D500. The D500 is slightly faster to react.

Same pixel density if you read my post above, D500 is 20MP, D850 in APS-c crop mode is 20MP; I think that the D850 being full-frame and newer would have supremacy in the noise department.

Sizewise, D850 only slightly bigger. As I look to my left I see that my gripped D500 actually dwarfs my gripped K-1. I decided not to get a grip for the D850 as it is the first of many cameras I have bought feels comfortable in my hands without the need for the grip - and the top of the prism only gets to about half way up the gripped D500s eyepiece.

The F mount 24-70, 70-200 and 200-500 appear to still be available, the DX lenses appear to have completely disappeared...

But if the insurance would be willing to fork out for Z- then I would say Z6ii for the D7200 and Z8 for the D500
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Interesting - so a D850 is effectively a D500 + FX sensor in some respects. Before moving to Sony I did consider the D850, but it's an absolute behemoth of a camera.
 
Here are the unholy trinity for comparison, the D850 is sitting on an L-grip which adds a few mm to the height. You wouldn't think that the two cameras on the flanks were FF and the centre one was APS-c. Not sure it was Nikon's intention to create the D850 as a FF equivalent of the D500, there are a couple of things the D850 has the D500 does not (focus stacking feature being one).
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D7200 still has one of the best APSC sensors you can get. Great performance in bright light and good at low light. In terms of functionality it is mostly equivalent to a APSC D750 (the video is not as good).
 
welshwizard645 said:
Same AF system I believe, as for D5, only just that the sensors are more concentrated within the centre of the frame than spread out in the D500. The D500 is slightly faster to react.

Same pixel density if you read my post above, D500 is 20MP, D850 in APS-c crop mode is 20MP; I think that the D850 being full-frame and newer would have supremacy in the noise department.

Sizewise, D850 only slightly bigger. As I look to my left I see that my gripped D500 actually dwarfs my gripped K-1. I decided not to get a grip for the D850 as it is the first of many cameras I have bought feels comfortable in my hands without the need for the grip - and the top of the prism only gets to about half way up the gripped D500s eyepiece.

The F mount 24-70, 70-200 and 200-500 appear to still be available, the DX lenses appear to have completely disappeared...

But if the insurance would be willing to fork out for Z- then I would say Z6ii for the D7200 and Z8 for the D500
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I don't think those cameras are equivalent as they're certainly not functionally equivalent and they're much more expensive cameras, the D500 was a pro-spec APS-C camera while the Z8 is a top of the line FF camera - it's a direct replacement for the D850 which was a much higher end camera than the D500. Even allowing for inflation, a D500's RRP is almost half that of a Z8.
 
welshwizard645 said:
Same AF system I believe, as for D5, only just that the sensors are more concentrated within the centre of the frame than spread out in the D500.
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The points aren't more concentrated; the D500 just crops the FOV down to the center area where the AF points are located.
welshwizard645 said:
But if the insurance would be willing to fork out for Z- then I would say Z6ii for the D7200 and Z8 for the D500
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The D7500 and D850 are still available new at huge discount, as are most/many of the lenses; that would be the most direct comparison/replacements. Availability and support is quickly disappearing, but I don't think that is the insurance's problem.

I don't think that where it stood in the lineup is quite the right comparison, but rather cost and capabilities (resolution/fps/etc). And if the insurance would go for it, I would say Z50 and Z7II. The Z7II isn't a direct comparison as it isn't DX, but in terms of performance/capability/cost it is very similar; it also costs less than the current Z6III.

My insurance is cost basis; insured for how much I paid; not depreciated but not current price either (which could be higher or lower). If they can replace it with a comparable current model for the same money they will... actually, they just pay me the money and I buy whatever I want (or not at all).
 
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The points aren't more concentrated; the D500 just crops the FOV down to the center area where the AF points are located.

The D7500 and D850 are still available new at huge discount, as are most/many of the lenses; that would be the most direct comparison/replacements. Availability and support is quickly disappearing, but I don't think that is the insurance's problem.

I don't think that where it stood in the lineup is quite the right comparison, but rather cost and capabilities (resolution/fps/etc). And if the insurance would go for it, I would say Z50 and Z7II. The Z7II isn't a direct comparison as it isn't DX, but in terms of performance/capability/cost it is very similar; it also costs less than the current Z6III.

My insurance is cost basis; insured for how much I paid; not depreciated but not current price either (which could be higher or lower). If they can replace it with a comparable current model for the same money they will... actually, they just pay me the money and I buy whatever I want (or not at all). I would be surprised if any insurance would cover it for more than the original "amount" they've been insuring; except maybe if you have a comprehensive (expensive) business policy that would cover under something like "loss of business."
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Are you sure the d7500 is still available new? I can’t find any, and WEX shows as it being discontinued :thinking:
 
welshwizard645 said:
I would be lost without my D500, having owned it nearly 10 years. It really did tick all the boxes and in my opinion it hasn't been replaced - it did take Nikon a long time to bring the D500 to market following the D300s (2010 camera?) and it was a quantum leap. I guess Nikon are pushing everyone towards the Z8,
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Yeah, having had a D300 and D300S I waited and waited for its replacement and ended up going for the D7200 not all that long before the D500 finally arrived. Technically the D7200 was a good step forward from the D300 but it always seemed lacking - though it still made for a great back up to the D500.
 
snerkler said:
Are you sure the d7500 is still available new? I can’t find any, and WEX shows as it being discontinued :thinking:
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Cotswold Cameras are listing them...£519
D7500 Cotswold

But this camera, although it has the D500 sensor, update EXPEED, same AF, is a downgrade on the D7200. No grip possibility, single SD card slot.
 
welshwizard645 said:
Cotswold Cameras are listing them...£519
D7500 Cotswold

But this camera, although it has the D500 sensor, update EXPEED, same AF, is a downgrade on the D7200. No grip possibility, single SD card slot.
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Cotswolds are grey importers (y)
 
I recall many years ago having had a Canon SLR and a selection of lenses stolen, the insurance company suggested I obtained estimates from local camera retailers. Only Jessops were prepared to provide a written estimate in which they proposed that, as my amateur SLR had gone out of production, the nearest equivalent was the professional model. The Insurance company (household contents) accepted this and sent round an assessor to check. They are mainly wanting to confirm that the claim is genuine confirming that I was a Camera Club Member helped. After answering a few other questions, she then said all was OK and offered me a cheque for the full amount claimed. She did know about cameras and said, you do not have to buy the Jessops list even though our payment is based on that. She suggested that I might consider the new (then) Canon EOS series. I did consider this and went for the EOS600. The EOS series included automatic focussing which, at that time, I was not convinced I needed but soon found that the camera was better than me at focussing in some circumstances.

Dave
 
I have a little bit of experience of this. When I worked with a lighting supplier we had phone calls from insurers, they would ask about the item claimed for, and when we said that it had, for example, been discontinued 5 years ago they would ask whether it had been replaced and if so with what, and they would then just pay for the latest model, even though it usually had a much higher spec and a much higher price.

Same with cameras, a friend claimed for a stolen and very old Canon A1, which had once been top of the range, and they paid for the latest and best Canon. I've only ever claimed once, it was for a Mamiya 330, top of the range, which my assistant dropped from the top of a building site, they replaced it with the RZ67.
 
Hi all. A little update. The insurance company have offered a D7500 to replace the D7200 - which as noted above already isn’t quite the camera the D7200 was.

To replace the D500 they have offered a D780. A great camera no doubt, but with 51 focus point last only in the centre rather than the 153 and better spread that the D500 has, not to mention a slower FPS and no crop factor either I’m not at all sure either make for worthy replacements.

Thoughts?
 
The D7500 is the Nikon replacement, but in some ways an inferior design. The D780 is a full frame camera and not a replacement for the D500. Would they give you cash instead? That way you could either replace with good used gear or buy mirrorless for an upgrade.
 
Have any of you dealt with discontinued 3rd party lens where no direct follow up is available? Thats pretty much the whole sigma line up in either canon or nikon mounts. I have quite a few. Does this become the latest canon/nikon or the latest sigma in a different mount (and good luck to source a body). They dont do cash settlement

This is just a valuation question, but this is important so i dont have to overpay or have inadequate cover.

My insurance is being incredibly difficult and bureaucratic. Worst case this will force me to switch providers
 
GoLotus said:
Hi all. A little update. The insurance company have offered a D7500 to replace the D7200 - which as noted above already isn’t quite the camera the D7200 was.

To replace the D500 they have offered a D780. A great camera no doubt, but with 51 focus point last only in the centre rather than the 153 and better spread that the D500 has, not to mention a slower FPS and no crop factor either I’m not at all sure either make for worthy replacements.

Thoughts?
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I’m guessing they’ve looked at equivalent pricing, also guess that they’ll actually settle the cash value?

Unfortunately for you, there’s no obvious equivalent, so you’re either going to have to buy what you had second hand, or choose what mirrorless to buy.
 
LongLensPhotography said:
Have any of you dealt with discontinued 3rd party lens where no direct follow up is available? Thats pretty much the whole sigma line up in either canon or nikon mounts. I have quite a few. Does this become the latest canon/nikon or the latest sigma in a different mount (and good luck to source a body). They dont do cash settlement

This is just a valuation question, but this is important so i dont have to overpay or have inadequate cover.

My insurance is being incredibly difficult and bureaucratic. Worst case this will force me to switch providers
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Yes, woe betide if you have a pre-Global Sigma lens, ie one that is not Art/Contemporary/Sport, Sigma did not want to know when my firmware update on the D810 suddenly made the Sigma 180/3,5 macro lens inoperable (same time firmware update on D500 had no effect).

I'd actually push for a mirrorless (D7ii) or D850 in lieu of D7500/D780, the reason being that given your lens collection having contained the 200-500 you would have to make compromises in terms of performance and image quality if you have a subject far away. Cropping an image on a D780 effectively gives you an 8MP APS-c crop?

Presume you have a pile of XQD/CF Express Type B cards? No good in either D7500 or D780. How would they suggest replacing battery grips?, you bought them for a reason I suppose.
 
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