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good point that is suepstect you are right but i suppose why would you buy an electric car over £40k if you are looking at econemy and efficiency
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good point that is suepstect you are right but i suppose why would you buy an electric car over £40k if you are looking at econemy and efficiency
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I've had many Capri's over the years in all guises, they were great fun, all of them, so I have nothing against Fords.
I looked at an ST sometime back,
all I can say is I hope they have improved over the last 5 or so years, it was uncomfortable, terrible driving position, no matter what I did with the seat.
It just didn't "feel as though it would behave under power either" more like it was far too unpredictable.
Obviously I passed on that!
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Which was my point the concept of a lot of these premium models is only skin deep. The buyer doesn't get to see below the surface and they aren't worth the extra thousands of pounds.
Focus RS isn't fwd anyway, it has intelligent 4wd.
The Civic starts at £30,200 and costs at least £1k to bring it near to the Focus RS basic spec.
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My sister in law's struggle buggy of a Nissan Leaf starts @ £30k it would be all to easy to get above the £40k if you started with a bigger electric car.
Not exactly family cars though are they and what is more at over £40k they will be liable for 5 years of £340 extra tax unlike the RS which was my earlier point.
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Was that a late mk2 or an early mk3? I can't comment on the mk2 as I have never owned one but as it would have had identical Recaro seats to my Mondeo ST I can't see how they could have been uncomfortable as they are perfect to sit in. If it was a mk3 I'd hazard a guess at your being too wide in the lower back region and you end up sitting on the seat as opposed to sitting in it. You could opt for an American version which has wider Recaro seats.
Trying to tame it under power is the best part, just allow it to go but hold on tight to the leash. 
My guess.... you currently seem to have to to get a decent range ala tesla. Some also buy electric for the percieved ecological benefit not just the efficiency and those that do for efficiency probably work out the few thousands not spent on fuel as being part of the purchase cost, so probably quite a few currently spending over 40k, rightly or wrongly.
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Was that a late mk2 or an early mk3? I can't comment on the mk2 as I have never owned one but as it would have had identical Recaro seats to my Mondeo ST I can't see how they could have been uncomfortable as they are perfect to sit in. If it was a mk3 I'd hazard a guess at your being too wide in the lower back region and you end up sitting on the seat as opposed to sitting in it. You could opt for an American version which has wider Recaro seats.
Nope, no Ford bias here at all
Someone tells you that the driving position was 'terrible' and uncomfortable, you respond with the seats are perfect and suggest the problem is with the driver's body shape! no one mentioned they could not fit into the seat just that the 'driving position' was terrible.
The same person mentioned that the handling was too 'unpredictable', you respond with basically that it's a feature and the best part of the car.
If I remember correctly every review of the ST from that time mentioned it would jerk around when driving in a straight line, seemed to be too easily influenced by the road surface. That's not a feature it's simply bad engineering.
Glad to hear the new RS has 4wd though, that's certainly going to improve the handling.
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Nope, no Ford bias here at all
Someone tells you that the driving position was 'terrible' and uncomfortable, you respond with the seats are perfect and suggest the problem is with the driver's body shape! no one mentioned they could not fit into the seat just that the 'driving position' was terrible.
The same person mentioned that the handling was too 'unpredictable', you respond with basically that it's a feature and the best part of the car.
If I remember correctly every review of the ST from that time mentioned it would jerk around when driving in a straight line, seemed to be too easily influenced by the road surface. That's not a feature it's simply bad engineering.
Glad to hear the new RS has 4wd though, that's certainly going to improve the handling.
Like I said I can't vouch for the mk2 st as I have never driven one. But I can vouch for the seats as they are identical to those in the mk3 Mondeo ST and yes they are extremely comfortable. I now have a mk3 Focus ST, the seats are narrower on the waistline, hence my comments about overweight people unable to sit in the seat and have to sit on the seat hence why some would find the driving position uncomfortable. I however find the seats very comfortable and hold you in tight as you enjoy the car's handling capabilities.
Unpredictable to drive not really. You are putting 250ps through the front wheels, it's called torque steer. Once you know it will do it , the car is very easy to drive. The mk3 has electric assisted power steering any wandering of the car on a straight road is actually driver input from gripping the wheel too tightly. Slacken the grip and the wandering stops. Alternatively a Ford dealer can recalibrate the steering software.
Just because someone has inside knowledge, it doesn't mean it is biased in anyway.
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You're correct, insider knowledge does not mean bias, an inability to accept anyone's negative comments regarding Ford cars however does.
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Where have I been unable to accept negative comments? All I have done is answer people's misgivings. Not my fault if you can't accept the explanations.
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Here, you're just answering people's misgivings? are they not allowed an opinion then?. That implies everyone else is wrong and you are just providing the correct information. Your explanation for an uncomfortable driving position was basically it's the drivers fault as they're probably overweight! yep, sounds acceptable to me.
The previous ST model around 2012'ish was widely reviewed as having very good handling when driven hard on a smooth road but erratic when on a not so smooth road or being driven at a more modest pace, your're explanation, it's torque steer. If I remember correctly, and I can't be bothered to look it up, it had some kind of electronic steering enhancement that allowed tighter turn with less movement of the steering wheel which worked well at high speed but a bit crap when driving normally and some kind of diff that hindered it on rougher roads.
Anyway, I'll leave you to it, I just won't be asking for advice on car choice when I change mine in the summer
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Mine is a 2013 model ST and handles just fine on any surface. Any fwd car with wide tyres will tramline to an extent on poor surfaces. But it is in no way unpredictable or anything like that. As I said before the steering software can be recalibrate. Alterations were made on 2015 models anyway.Here, you're just answering people's misgivings? are they not allowed an opinion then?. That implies everyone else is wrong and you are just providing the correct information. Your explanation for an uncomfortable driving position was basically it's the drivers fault as they're probably overweight! yep, sounds acceptable to me.
The previous ST model around 2012'ish was widely reviewed as having very good handling when driven hard on a smooth road but erratic when on a not so smooth road or being driven at a more modest pace, your're explanation, it's torque steer. If I remember correctly, and I can't be bothered to look it up, it had some kind of electronic steering enhancement that allowed tighter turn with less movement of the steering wheel which worked well at high speed but a bit crap when driving normally and some kind of diff that hindered it on rougher roads.
Anyway, I'll leave you to it, I just won't be asking for advice on car choice when I change mine in the summer
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It was awhile ago so iirc it would have been a MKII
The " skinny" half leather reccaro's in my 2.8 is capri were extremely comfortable.
I've owned plenty of fast cars in my time, this one however was like driving a wet sponge with menopause.Trying to tame it under power is the best part, just allow it to go but hold on tight to the leash.
@PaulF you have summed up perfectly my experience
And no I didn't read any of the reviews before hand ( I tend to read them after) so I am not influenced by others opinions.
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Recaros are always comfortable. We used to have a lab at work where they used to test various things including seats. After testing the stuff would be thrown in a big wire basket for disposal. Every now and then Recaro seats would appear in the bin, which we would rescue and attach to a chair base, then there would be a rush/tussle to get to sit in it.
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My boss at the time had a Ml1 capri and I had to driive quite often hated, even when he changed ot for a Mk2 that was no better.
A fireman friend made me promise I would b=never get one of the original Mondeos, some of the worst accident he had to deal with
involved them and having to cut people out. Apparently even a minor shuntnbent the chassis and it was not always found till MOT time.
Never had a lot of luck with any of the Fords I have owned, we recently had an incentive at work, don;t have any sick leave till the end of April and
win............................................a Ford Fiesta, no thank you
A fireman friend made me promise I would b=never get one of the original Mondeos, some of the worst accident he had to deal with
involved them and having to cut people out. Apparently even a minor shuntnbent the chassis and it was not always found till MOT time.
Never had a lot of luck with any of the Fords I have owned, we recently had an incentive at work, don;t have any sick leave till the end of April and
win............................................a Ford Fiesta, no thank you
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I was answering your comment, where you insunuated that I maybe to large for reccaro's
2.8is capri a nice comfortable car ST terrible as above.
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For you, maybe. For me, no. My ar5se fits, my gut fits but my shoulders feel like they're in a vice.
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I had two Mk1 Mondeos, one of which I had a minor shunt in and it didn't bend the chassis. There was a rumour, of which I don't know if there is any truth, that if you jacked them up in the wrong place the chassis would twist, don't know if it was true but there were arrow markers pressed into the cars sills pointing to the jacking areas. A lot of cars still have these.
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The current ST seats are very snug which is why I mentioned it if it was a recent ST you had tried, you'd have to be seriously overweight to not be able to fit in pre 2012 Recaros.
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Chassis what chassis? just a bit of pressed steel. They don't make 'em like they used to !
btw Didn't that also apply to the Allegro?
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I don't see how, the area your shoulders go is gently curved like the natural curvature of your back, there is nothing to constrain the shoulders.
Being a gym fanatic my shoulders are generally wider than the average person and the seats provide no problems other than being snug on the lats.
Perhaps it was one of these below you'd tried.
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Only failings of the Allegro I'm aware of are the square steering wheel and the wheel nuts being over tightened in the factory which over time led to stripped threads and the odd wheel coming off.
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Only going on what an experienced fireman told me about the worst car accidents they attended and how Mondeos seemed to suffer far more
damage then other cars, crumpled under impact, meaning the occupants had to be cut out.
As yes I have seem first hand the damage caused by a minor shunt, not always visible till the carpets were removed, but very common
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No1 selling car in the UK (alone outselling many other car manufacturers entire total range yearly UK sales) for several years having taken over from the Focus and Escort. Europe's no.1 selling small hatchback, for at least the past 2 years. Yeah I can see why you wouldn't want one. (n)
Here's another interesting sales fact. This years will be 41 consecutive years of Ford being the UK's No1 seller. They must be doing something right.
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No1 selling car in the UK (alone outselling many other car manufacturers entire total range yearly UK sales) for several years having taken over from the Focus and Escort. Europe's no.1 selling small hatchback, for at least the past 2 years. Yeah I can see why you wouldn't want one. (n)
Here's another interesting sales fact. This years will be 41 consecutive years of Ford being the UK's No1 seller. They must be doing something right.
Just because something is a No.1 seller doesn't mean everyone has to like it.
Personally I think they are ugly cars, if I won it I would sell it immediately.
Used to have a similar opinion about Vauxhalls, but since driving one for work I am changing my opinion
although I still don't want one, can't say the same about the Ford Connects we had, couldn't stand those either.
Buggatti Veyron takes pride of place as the ugliest most uncomfortable car I have ever come across, but loads of
people love them, it's just a personal opinion and I hope I am entitled to have one
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3.2 long stroke race engine, quaiffe everything in the drive train. Great car, sold it to buy my TVR
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Your statement implied that due to your previous track record with Ford cars that there is something wrong with them and you turned up your nose at the thought of winning one. In 37yrs of motoring driving various Ford cars I have found them to have a very good track record whether the car was new, nearly new or several years old. Now you say you think the Fiesta looks ugly. You have every right to that opinion but it doesn't mean it is a bad car as you implied earlier. I agree the Veyron is a rammed ugly car although I have never felt the urge to sit in one to know if they are uncomfortable. Having said that there are plenty of other cars than the Veyron that have taken a serious beating from the ugly stick. There were some prime examples at Brands Hatch over the weekend. All were hybrids or ev' s but the gold medal goes to the Toyota hybrids / hydrogen cars. They even manage to make a Fiat Multipla look nice.