To Windows 8.....or not to Windows 8....that is the question....

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So.....has anybody upgraded to the full version of Windows 8 yet? I bought my laptop in July, running Windows 7 Pro, and can upgrade to 8 pro for a tenner, but I'm a bit tentative about taking the plunge and running a completely new look OS, so I'm looking for some real life TP member reviews to help me make up my mind...

I mainly browse, download music/films, run a NAS drive, use Office 2010 and mess around with photos in Windows 7, so I'd hate to make any of this more difficult in the long run!
Thoughts???
 
Been using it a lot with work. I switch between Windows 7, iOS, OS X and Android without issues and Windows 8 makes me shout at the PC in frustration. If you have a touchscreen it's 'alright', if you don't then it's completely backwards.

You can learn to work with it, but it still feels like a backwards step to me, compromised by the requirements of lower performance touch devices at the expense of owners of traditional PCs.
 
I disagree with the above.
Been using Win 7 for a year and to be honest, it was great... but I do like to test out the new stuff too, so backed up all my stuff, and upgraded on Saturday.
*Most* of it is back up and running no issues... only a couple of things refuse to work again, my printer/scanner software and my integral digital TV :D so neither are 'urgent'.

Photoshop works, and office is back installed and running, as is the eos utility and DPP software (even if I did need to do the force install without CD method).

The more I use it, the more I like it. I like the live tiles and the shortcuts they give me, it's neat and quick.

The 'desktop' app lets you work your way around the file structure as you used to in win7.

If I needed to make the decision again, I'd still upgrade.
 
Complete opposite to Thorburn I can access some stuff really easily using shortcuts/apps from the new start screen/menu, love the live tiles. The rest takes the same as before.

Been using the final release Windows 8 on my laptop since the end of August.

Everything works well, still spend a lot of time in the old environment, more apps are coming for the metro interface and if you have IE as your default browser, you can pin pages to the start menu and a lot of sites have already got their new logos ready for Windows 8, so I have a shortcut to Facebook, Pulse etc.

In general use all that has happened is your start menu is full screen. You can search using your keyboard to find an app quickly, once an old style app is open you go back to the Windows 7 environment but without a start button. You can still pin apps to the task bar.

Important Windows shortcut

Windows + x (same as right click in bottom right) gives you shortcuts to important system windows

Windows + C (charms, same as hovering top right or bottom right) gives you access to the charms which are extra options, buttons, settings for the app you are in.

Windows + I (settings tab, accessible by also going to the bottom of the charms) gives you access to wireless, sound etc. and the most important Power as this is the only way to turn Windows off with a mouse.

Odd things - hibernate is disabled by default and there is no clock on the start menu.

I am the complete opposite to Thorburn, I love it and I am looking forward to more and more apps in the new style, just been using the National Rail app for train times.

Underneath is Windows 7, so drivers are 99% the same and will transfer. The touchpad on my laptop needed the Windows 7 drivers reinstalling after the upgrade.

I think Microsoft Security Essentials is built into Windows 8 (you cant install it), so there should be no need for antivirus.

I use another machine for serving media and I use PS3, iTunes devices to play the media, so no experience in this area. It does have a Netflix app that works well.

The interesting thing that will change a bit over the coming months is printing. The new OS has not got printing in mind, for instance in the new built in PDF viewer there is no print option using the mouse, gestures, charms etc. you have to use Ctrl + P to bring up the printing charm.

The maps app has already been updated, adding the option to search under the right click, this was only able to be done using the charm before.

It works better on multiple monitors, I also like having the mail app open on 20% of the screen keeping an eye on emails and my old desktop on the remaining 80%, even maximising screens leaves my email sitting there.

Can't wait for iTunes in metro/new UI

We have left 1 computer on Windows 7 at the office, all the rest have upgraded and this is just for the what if, when we find something that doesn't work.

I love the new taskmanager, simple and does more. the start up section is great and I've got my start up down to 13 seconds from cold (no SSD).

If you just use a mouse and not keyboard to navigate with, you may find some bits are annoying, but using the keyboard shortcuts above, it is so quick. Windows 7 was already heading this way, it was quicker to find stuff by hitting the windows key and start typing before getting the mouse involved to launch the program
 
I have clock tile and in case I forget Countdown Christmas

OneNote MX is very cool, link it to your skydrive account, install OneNote on your android, ios or Windows Mobile phone, sign in to skydrive and watch all the notes sync.
 
Right, I've wimped out, partitioned my hard disk, and decided on the dual boot route to see if I like it first....
 
I installed it today, nice simple & easy, went on without a problem.

But so far I hate it ( and I've got a touch screen)
 
It's not for me at the moment as I'm happy with Windows 7, it's stable and fast on my computer so I can't see the point in changing again?
 
Is windows 8 worth it?

Should I download now and install later?

:)
 
Windows 8 is mainly made for touchscreen hence the big widgets and layout. Though of course it can still be used as standard but I really see no difference apart from the gimmicky look but guess its cheap to purchase.
 
Psyence33 said:
Windows 8 is mainly made for touchscreen hence the big widgets and layout. Though of course it can still be used as standard but I really see no difference apart from the gimmicky look but guess its cheap to purchase.

So so wrong. Obviously someone who has read a few early articles.

It is not gimmicky.
 
Dale_d3100 said:
So so wrong. Obviously someone who has read a few early articles.

It is not gimmicky.

Sorry I, personally, feel it's gimmicky. I never said its bad but that's how I feel about it, Upgraded for £15 :) bargain.
 
I see how anyone could see that it is made for touchscreen but honestly not. I managed to update my touchpad drivers and can now use my touchpad for gestures so works nicely.

I did have a major annoyance which I have had using Company/HP/broadcom based machines over the years where the wifi drivers are not supported on upgrade so had to grab the old trusty ethernet and update that way.

The tiles are nice. I was worried that new programs would not show up as tiles and have to search manually but no, was a breeze as was the installation. It does take some time to get used to however once I figured out the fancy search tool, I was happy.
 
(My opinion)

It isn't gimmicky as it is the way Windows will be going, see how many apps appear for the new UI and in 6 months time, see what percentage of time is spent in the new UI.

The sidebar and gadgets in Windows 7 was gimmicky. The new UI is needed.
 
The sidebar and gadgets in Windows 7 was gimmicky. The new UI is needed.
Really? I have my system health monitors in my sidebar (CPU meter [not the windows one], network meter, drives meter, GPU meter) as well as a large clock and a current month calendar. It's visible on all 3 of my virtual desktops and I find it pretty useful.

I was going to upgrade until I saw the sidebar had gone....
 
I use the sider bar in windows 7 (hyper-v manager), but I am the only one in the office. Live tiles will do the same job, you can also have metro app fill 15% of the screen which can monitor and have your full desktop on the rest of the screen
 
Update from me - went down the dual boot route to see if I liked it. Once I'd installed an app to give me my start button back in the desktop, and figured out how to create a shutdown button, then had a mess about with the new controls, I decided I liked it so much, I've uninstalled Windows 7, and got rid of the partition I created! I even got rid of some hp bloatware in the process...bonus! :) :)
 
I use the sider bar in windows 7 (hyper-v manager), but I am the only one in the office. Live tiles will do the same job, you can also have metro app fill 15% of the screen which can monitor and have your full desktop on the rest of the screen
But OI don't want to have it take up 15% of my screen - these gadgets probably take up 5% - and sometimes I put stuff over them....
 
Update from me - went down the dual boot route to see if I liked it. Once I'd installed an app to give me my start button back in the desktop, and figured out how to create a shutdown button, then had a mess about with the new controls, I decided I liked it so much, I've uninstalled Windows 7, and got rid of the partition I created! I even got rid of some hp bloatware in the process...bonus! :) :)


It just sounds like a *******ised version of windows 7 heavily optimised for touch screens.


I might download now and wait to install :)
 
just (finally) installed the Enterprise x64 version, first impressions..

jeez its going to be a PITA teaching 250 users how to use it. an option to disable metro for enterprise environments would be nice (there appear to be hacks to do this but MS are reported to be blocking these).

bits im looking forward to playing with:

Direct Access
Windows on the Go
 
Direct Access
Not heard of this before (I'm fiddling with a VPN here...) but looks like you need to be running everything in IPv6 (!)
Windows on the Go
Nice. A reason manufacturers can charge 3x for an accredited USB drive that is exactly the same as the unaccredited version.....
 
arad85 said:
Not heard of this before (I'm fiddling with a VPN here...) but looks like you need to be running everything in IPv6 (!)
Nice. A reason manufacturers can charge 3x for an accredited USB drive that is exactly the same as the unaccredited version.....

Ipv6.. That's a bummer.

I'm still trying to figure metro out, it's giving me a bit of a headache. Hopefully after a while it'll sink in lol
 
I like Metro, I can see lots of potential for it. It isn't there yet.

I'm now at the point where I have Windows 8 on my work laptop and Windows 7 on my desktop PC at work and I am starting to get frustrated that I am on Windows 7 on the desktop.

I can't wait for the schools we work with to take on Windows 8, something tells me they are going to put it off for 5 years.
 
Well, after installing it on my Touch Screen PC....

None of the Tiles work, my son hates not having a "Start" button & my wife refuses to use that PC

I'll probably format the drive back to W7 at the weekend & wait until it's a bit more "sorted"



Ps. We are a household of techo-geeks, this is the only "new" thing we collectively regard as a waste of time :)
 
Dale_d3100 said:
I like Metro, I can see lots of potential for it. It isn't there yet.

I'm now at the point where I have Windows 8 on my work laptop and Windows 7 on my desktop PC at work and I am starting to get frustrated that I am on Windows 7 on the desktop.

I can't wait for the schools we work with to take on Windows 8, something tells me they are going to put it off for 5 years.

This is what I mean, at least giving the option to kill metro would be nice for some people..

Fortunately I've only got it on VMware, I can't see it being my main OS at the moment. I especially can't see it taking off in enterprise.
 
Allowing people to turn it off would be bad, it would be like vista. Vista was so bad that everyone ignored it and stayed on xp. This is when 64bit arrived, but everyone stuck their head in the sand and stayed on so. Windows 7 comes out, everyone upgrades, but x amount of hardware doesn't work as all the drivers are 32 bit as no one made any 64 bit drivers for vista.

Force people to use metro so metro apps are built. If people can turn it off, even if it is better people will stay with what they know and stay there.
 
im not sure i get your point, vista initially suffered from poor/lacking vendor drivers and/or computer vendors installing it on horrible spec machines. W8 is more of a lack of choice thing, i can see many people skipping it. especially businesses. i dont see why the enterprise version didnt have the option to boot straight to desktop, not like theyve got all business apps (office being a good one where it flips out to the desktop) integrated.

by the time we started looking at moving away from XP (64 bit XP was horrible and they'd announced the end of XP support) we tested Vista x64 when it was service packed and it worked extremely well. we probably would've moved to it if 7 wasn't announced shortly after (we in the IT dept ran Vista x64 for about a year).

IE10 in metro is a pain too, having to flip out to the desktop to enable compatibility mode or any other settings etc?
 
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Im just having problems rolling this out to multiple computers in the house. The online page states up to 5 licenses can be used however does not tell you how to utilise that. Downloading an ISO installed fine but then when using the activation code, reported it had already been used.

Time to do some research!
 
Office will be in metro next year (you can already dl the beta).

IE10 in metro is PITA, but it does allow you to pin sites to the start bar. Favourites are a nightmare in metro IE10, it doesn't use the folders, just one long line of favourites.

Vista was a pain in the arse due to various changes in the OS that some tech people couldn't cope with, so they stayed on XP and that company/school stayed with XP.

The problem with 64bit was drivers. 32bit Vista was fine after a few months, but the drivers never really came for 64bit for the majority of stuff. We also had compatibility issues with various office software and 64bit Windows.

Is Windows 8 64bit only?? I didn't see the option in the install.
 
Office will be in metro next year (you can already dl the beta).

is that a new version or will 2012 be retrofitted?

Vista was a pain in the arse due to various changes in the OS that some tech people couldn't cope with, so they stayed on XP and that company/school stayed with XP.

at least vista was the same general layout, or at least you could theme it back to a rough XP look if you really wanted.

imagine the outcry if apple did something similar.. lol

The problem with 64bit was drivers. 32bit Vista was fine after a few months, but the drivers never really came for 64bit for the majority of stuff. We also had compatibility issues with various office software and 64bit Windows.

never had any bother with vista 64 drivers or compatibility to be honest

Is Windows 8 64bit only?? I didn't see the option in the install.

i think you can get 32 bit also, i was having issues getting 64 bit to run on VPC (turns out you cant run 64 bit on VPC) and people were mentioning 32 bit 8.
 
Is Windows 8 64bit only?? I didn't see the option in the install.

You never get the option in the installer - there is separate install media for 32-bit and 64-bit - same as XP/Vista/7. ARM devices and the Atom chips that'll be found in x86 tablet still don't offer 64-bit (in the Atom's case the chip technically supports it, but it's disabled for the tablet SKUs).

I used Vista 64-bit more or less from the day it was available as RTM on MSDN. It was perfectly usable after a few months so long as you had modern hardware (I used XP 64-bit before hand and it was certainly far better supported than that). The key issue for it was most people didn't have hardware that was up to the job and the early issues meant it's name was dirt and no one wanted it. As you say after a few months it was acceptable, and a year after launch it had reached the point where it was a pretty good OS.

Windows 7 was just a case of giving it a new name and a bit of polish to stimulate acceptance and sales.
 
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There was more to 7 than a polish.

There was no office 2012? The new office is 2013.
 
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